What do you think of the US Forest Service's view on bigfoot?

[Backdoc]

10 hours ago, norseman said:

 

Sorry. I respect you. But right now your the person that saw the Heronimous claim and bought it hook, line and sinker.

 

On what basis?    I have never once believed Bob Heironimus.  There won't be a post on the BFF where I ever said I support or believe Bob Heironimus.   I must just be misreading what you are getting at here and If I am I am sorry.   

 

 

 

 

Bob L. --------------------------------------

 

I am reluctant to go into much detail on a point-by-point basis on this subject after reading your post.  It is pretty clear to me you have a view which not only won't change but seems like it is constructed in such a way to be defeating to any other viewpoint.   If I could show you an area where you are wrong, I suspect you would just explain it away.   

 

I will try to address the Bob L. subject generically responding to the Bob L. video on Rogan. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Backdoc]

21 hours ago, Incorrigible1 said:

I take it you didn't view the proffered video.

 

Question: What did Lazar (notice the spelling) have to gain from leaking his information?

 

Why was the government obsessed with him?

 

 

OK I'll try.   

 

Let me start by saying I do not believe we are being visited by Aliens.

 

 

I can give all the reasons why I don't think so.   Since I don't think so, I obviously don't believe stories of anyone who claims Hollywood style Alien encounters.   There may or may not be life out there, but I don't happen to believe it is visiting earth.    

 

On the issue of Bob Lazar, I would have to put those feelings aside and try to weigh Bob Lazar's story.   This would all come down to credibility of the one making the claim.

 

If there are big holes in someone's story the objective person seeking the truth would weigh that out.  Those want to believe it, need to believe it, want it to be true bad enough will overlook those weaknesses.  That makes them less objective and very likely to make excuses for the one making the claim.   It's like Linus in the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown:   "PS  If you aren't real don't tell me, I don't want to know"    

 

Education:

A person's skill set would match the job they had.  Thus, if the government is working on Alien space craft only top-notch people would get access to it.   For Bob Lazar to be one of these people working on a secret Alien propulsion system he would have to have credentials to be at a level to be considered.  Provable credentials.   Sure, they probably need janitors at Area 51 as well. Bob L is not claiming to be a janitor. He is claiming to be a scientist allowed to work on Alien space craft propulsion systems.   After all, the government can get anyone they want.

 

Sit down Einstein, Oppenheimer, Bohr. Von Braun, We got our guy, and his name is Bob Lazar.

 

The claims Bob Lazar makes on having the training and education he claims don't add up.  Translation:  it isn't true.   This alone is enough to make it clear he would NEVER be near the job he claims to have.  Bob Lazar claims somehow; someone scrubbed his college records and essentially any and all proof he attended MIT and Cal Tech.   Where are his Diplomas (plural) on the wall?    There are no photographs of him in an office with these degrees on the wall.  He can't name professors who he claims taught him

 

 

He can't name all kinds of things easy for anyone who went there to be able to identify.     Where is his name in a graduation roster at Graduation?  Where are the W2s from his work?   

 

 

We know those in the military have admitted in the freedom of information act the government found it useful during the cold war to propagate stories of Aliens as cover for work on the U2, the flight or Stealth aircraft and so on.  It is even remotely possible the government hired /conspired with Bob to tell Alien stories to as a further use to propagate Alien stories and freak our enemies.  I don't believe that at all but at least it is possible.  It is also possible they found him to be a useful unwitting tool as someone telling stories which serve the military's own intentions of propagating stories though completely uncoordinated in any way with Lazar.

 

Bob may have worked for a company tied into military contracts and maybe even worked as some lower-level employee at Area 51.  If he did, he was just working at a Military base.   So what?

 

 

This should be enough, but I would be glad to address more points if you need me to.  

 

In summary.  If Bob L claimed ONLY he graduated from MIT and Cal Tech, he can't even prove that.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Backdoc

[norseman]

3 hours ago, Backdoc said:

 

On what basis?    I have never once believed Bob Heironimus.  There won't be a post on the BFF where I ever said I support or believe Bob Heironimus.   I must just be misreading what you are getting at here and If I am I am sorry.   

 

 

 

 

Bob L. --------------------------------------

 

I am reluctant to go into much detail on a point-by-point basis on this subject after reading your post.  It is pretty clear to me you have a view which not only won't change but seems like it is constructed in such a way to be defeating to any other viewpoint.   If I could show you an area where you are wrong, I suspect you would just explain it away.   

 

I will try to address the Bob L. subject generically responding to the Bob L. video on Rogan. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry.
 

Bob Lazar is Roger Patterson in this comparison. Both witnesses. People like Heronimous are coming forward to attack the character of the witnesses. Stan Friedman would be a Bob H. In Ufology. Its a trick we see over and over again.

 

How long did you fight with Kitakaze on this very forum? They cannot attack the evidence so they attack a persons character. Well if any one of us got the spotlight shown in our direction? Probably no one isn't going to have a few skeletons in their closet.

 

And Patterson and Lazar are two such individuals that had plenty. But it doesn't change what they witnessed.

 

My viewpoint can change if it’s convincing enough evidence.

[norseman]

2 hours ago, Backdoc said:

 

 

OK I'll try.   

 

Let me start by saying I do not believe we are being visited by Aliens.

 

 

I can give all the reasons why I don't think so.   Since I don't think so, I obviously don't believe stories of anyone who claims Hollywood style Alien encounters.   There may or may not be life out there, but I don't happen to believe it is visiting earth.    

 

On the issue of Bob Lazar, I would have to put those feelings aside and try to weigh Bob Lazar's story.   This would all come down to credibility of the one making the claim.

 

If there are big holes in someone's story the objective person seeking the truth would weigh that out.  Those want to believe it, need to believe it, want it to be true bad enough will overlook those weaknesses.  That makes them less objective and very likely to make excuses for the one making the claim.   It's like Linus in the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown:   "PS  If you aren't real don't tell me, I don't want to know"    

 

Education:

A person's skill set would match the job they had.  Thus, if the government is working on Alien space craft only top-notch people would get access to it.   For Bob Lazar to be one of these people working on a secret Alien propulsion system he would have to have credentials to be at a level to be considered.  Provable credentials.   Sure, they probably need janitors at Area 51 as well. Bob L is not claiming to be a janitor. He is claiming to be a scientist allowed to work on Alien space craft propulsion systems.   After all, the government can get anyone they want.

 

Sit down Einstein, Oppenheimer, Bohr. Von Braun, We got our guy, and his name is Bob Lazar.

 

The claims Bob Lazar makes on having the training and education he claims don't add up.  Translation:  it isn't true.   This alone is enough to make it clear he would NEVER be near the job he claims to have.  Bob Lazar claims somehow; someone scrubbed his college records and essentially any and all proof he attended MIT and Cal Tech.   Where are his Diplomas (plural) on the wall?    There are no photographs of him in an office with these degrees on the wall.  He can't name professors who he claims taught him

 

 

He can't name all kinds of things easy for anyone who went there to be able to identify.     Where is his name in a graduation roster at Graduation?  Where are the W2s from his work?   

 

 

We know those in the military have admitted in the freedom of information act the government found it useful during the cold war to propagate stories of Aliens as cover for work on the U2, the flight or Stealth aircraft and so on.  It is even remotely possible the government hired /conspired with Bob to tell Alien stories to as a further use to propagate Alien stories and freak our enemies.  I don't believe that at all but at least it is possible.  It is also possible they found him to be a useful unwitting tool as someone telling stories which serve the military's own intentions of propagating stories though completely uncoordinated in any way with Lazar.

 

Bob may have worked for a company tied into military contracts and maybe even worked as some lower-level employee at Area 51.  If he did, he was just working at a Military base.   So what?

 

 

This should be enough, but I would be glad to address more points if you need me to.  

 

In summary.  If Bob L claimed ONLY he graduated from MIT and Cal Tech, he can't even prove that.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Janitor or Physicist at S4 at area 51?

 

How does Lazar know about a stable element 113? Before its ever discovered and placed on our periodic table?

 

And how does he know where to stand and film test flights? This is long before anyone knew anything about Area 51.

 

 

[norseman]

[Huntster]

18 minutes ago, norseman said:

Janitor or Physicist at S4 at area 51?..........

 

Supposedly neither. He was brought in because he showed aptitude in building jet propulsion cars on his own dime and time for fun. This sounds just like Uncle Sam: when the pinheads can't get it done, bring in somebody who might.

 

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..........How does Lazar know about a stable element 113? Before its ever discovered and placed on our periodic table?..........

 

Element 115. Moscovium. It was first synthesized in 2003 by a joint Russian-American team at the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research (JINR) in Dubna, Russia. Due to its radioactive nature and instability, it does not occur naturally and is only used for scientific study. I don't know when Lazar first cited E115, but it was well before 2003. E115 has still not been stabilized.

 

Again, I still don't know what to make of Bob Lazar. In 1974, while on active duty, an Army major told me some wild stuff that was supposedly going on at Wright-Patterson. I thought he was pulling my leg. Years later, the same rumors were widespread, but the Wright-Patt activity had been moved to Nevada.

 

Entertaining, but I await something more than testimony and physical evidence that never gets materialized.

 

[norseman]

24 minutes ago, Huntster said:

 

Supposedly neither. He was brought in because he showed aptitude in building jet propulsion cars on his own dime and time for fun. This sounds just like Uncle Sam: when the pinheads can't get it done, bring in somebody who might.

 

 

Element 115. Moscovium. It was first synthesized in 2003 by a joint Russian-American team at the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research (JINR) in Dubna, Russia. Due to its radioactive nature and instability, it does not occur naturally and is only used for scientific study. I don't know when Lazar first cited E115, but it was well before 2003. E115 has still not been stabilized.

 

Again, I still don't know what to make of Bob Lazar. In 1974, while on active duty, an Army major told me some wild stuff that was supposedly going on at Wright-Patterson. I thought he was pulling my leg. Years later, the same rumors were widespread, but the Wright-Patt activity had been moved to Nevada.

 

Entertaining, but I await something more than testimony and physical evidence that never gets materialized.

 

I was lucky enough to be raised on a ranch in NE Washington. We moved there when I was 5 from Snohomish, where it rained all the time. Most nights were clear and the stars sparkled. And I have seen more UFOs than I can count. Most look just like a shooting star except they make turns. No noise. Sometimes they hover in one spot before shooting off. Sometimes they just move slowly along the horizon. I even had a daytime sighting while Elk hunting. It was a silver cigar shaped craft that was traveling east to west. No noise. No wings. No contrail.

 

We see jets all the time. Whidbey Island NAS loves playing on the upper Columbia. The refuelers are always looping up by the Canadian border from Fairchild AFB. You always hear noise. Typically I hear them before I see them.

 

I don’t think the ranch is some UFO hotspot. I just think that most humans don’t bother to look up. Or they don’t live in a remote place with no night lights. UFO researchers now have built a system to record UFOs that fly through the night sky. It also has a flight identification if the object being tracked is a normal aircraft.

 

https://www.space.com/spotting-ufos-sky-hub-surveillance

 

Anyhow I have made my point from my perspective. Many similarities I have observed from one mystery to the next. I won’t derail this thread anymore. There is a Lazar thread in the UFO section if we wanna talk more.

[Incorrigible1]

So far the only need demonstrated in this thread is a need to disparage Lazar.

[Trogluddite]

On 6/20/2025 at 11:20 PM, Huntster said:

BTW, the area is closed all winter long, when tracks in the snow can tell their tale. Every year.

 

Could this be a simple safety measure to prevent unprepared people wandering into deep wilderness where they have no business going and then putting searchers at risk while they try to recover the "researchers"/bodies?  

[Backdoc]

Question: 

 

Does Bob Lazar have a degree from MIT AND a degree from Cal Tech. 
 

[  ] YES

[  ]  NO

 

 

 

[Backdoc]

52 minutes ago, Trogluddite said:

 

Could this be a simple safety measure to prevent unprepared people wandering into deep wilderness where they have no business going and then putting searchers at risk while they try to recover the "researchers"/bodies?  

The truth is usually simple.   I don’t know the reason or what the claimed reason might be from the government.    Your idea seems more likely than closing it down to keep Bigfoot searchers out.   If that was the case, wouldn’t they close it down in warmer times more likely to have Bigfoot sightings and activity?   

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, Trogluddite said:

 

Could this be a simple safety measure to prevent unprepared people wandering into deep wilderness where they have no business going and then putting searchers at risk while they try to recover the "researchers"/bodies?  

 

I know Both state and federal officials do that kind of thing in Alaska. They're very creative in closing access. In the case of Six Rivers National Forest (the Bluff Creek Area) it's closed each winter to protect Port-Orford-cedar (POC) trees from the spread of POC root disease. These closures, primarily in the Gasquet and Orleans/Lower Trinity Ranger Districts, are triggered by wet weather and typically last through the rainy season. In effect, protecting Port Orford cedar trees has the side benefit of protecting sasquatches. 

 

See how that works? 

 

[Huntster]

18 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

Question: 

 

Does Bob Lazar have a degree from MIT AND a degree from Cal Tech. 
 

[  ] YES

[  ]  NO

 

Unknown. He says "Yes", but records are not available to prove either way.

 

Question:

 

Did Hillary Clinton write a senior thesis at Wellesley College?

 

[  ] YES 

[  ] NO

[  ] SO IT'S CLAIMED

 

See how that works? 

[norseman]

24 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

Question: 

 

Does Bob Lazar have a degree from MIT AND a degree from Cal Tech. 
 

[  ] YES

[  ]  NO

 

 

 

Kitakaze says “Yes but Roger Patterson was a known charlatan and didn’t return his rented Kodak camera on time”.

 

Me: What in the heck does that have to do with the PGF?

[Backdoc]

Just now, Huntster said:

 

Unknown. He says "Yes", but records are not available to prove either way.

 

Question:

 

Did Hillary Clinton write a senior thesis at Wellesley College?

 

[  ] YES 

[  ] NO

[  ] SO IT'S CLAIMED

 

See how that works? 

 

No, I don’t actually.  
 

It’s not an issue where “records are not available to prove it either way”     
 

What does Hillary Clinton have to do with anything?  Many times, and maybe this is one of those times, she happens to be the favourite topic of certain people.   I suspect when she was able to practice law in Arkansas she had to provide copies of her diploma, grades, and so on.   Thus without my access to her personal papers I have to trust the bar of Arkansas who vetted her ability to take the test.   
 

IF Bob claims to have 2 degrees he does not actually have what does that make him?

 

 

How about answering my yes or no Question and leave others out of it.

 

I’ll go where the facts take me.  I won’t ask the facts to go where I am and swat them away if I don’t like what they suggest.  

 

 

17 minutes ago, norseman said:

Kitakaze says “Yes but Roger Patterson was a known charlatan and didn’t return his rented Kodak camera on time”.

 

Me: What in the heck does that have to do with the PGF?

 

Fine.   What do YOU say? Does Bob have 2 degrees.  1 from MIT and one from Cal Tech?