What do you think of the US Forest Service's view on bigfoot?

[Huntster]

3 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

No, I don’t actually.  
 

It’s not an issue where “records are not available to prove it either way”     
 

What does Hillary Clinton have to do with anything?  Many times, and maybe this is one of those times, she happens to be the favourite topic of certain people.   I suspect when she was able to practice law in Arkansas she had to provide copies of her diploma, grades, and so on.   Thus without my access to her personal papers I have to trust the bar of Arkansas who vetted her ability to take the test.........

 

LOL!

 

Okay, I had no idea you were so elementary in the ways of government. Here's your lesson. See how documentation can disappear (for Hillary, Bob Lazar, or even the Huntster):

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_senior_thesis

[Backdoc]

4 minutes ago, Huntster said:

 

LOL!

 

Okay, I had no idea you were so elementary in the ways of government. Here's your lesson. See how documentation can disappear (for Hillary, Bob Lazar, or even the Huntster):

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_senior_thesis

 

The insult is fine with me. Still, answer the question about Bob.   That’s who we are talking about.

 

Does Bob have 2 degrees 1 from MIT and one from Cal Tech.  
 

 

[Huntster]

14 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

The insult is fine with me.........

 

It wasn't meant as an Insult, but you have made it painfully so with your refusal to even look at the reference and understand the common point. I'll print it for you (and all) here as clearly as possible (that way you can't run from it):

 

If the government wants documentation to disappear, it disappears. Period. Easily. Completely or temporarily, as they so wish. My reference stands as evidence of that fact.

 

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..........Still, answer the question about Bob.   That’s who we are talking about.

 

Does Bob have 2 degrees 1 from MIT and one from Cal Tech.  

 

Certainly. I'll answer it with the exact same words I used to answer it on the previous page:

 

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..........Unknown. He says "Yes", but records are not available to prove either way..........

 

I'll comment further on my answer:

 

It doesn't matter one whit. 

 

You're trying to discredit Lazar by stating that he's lying about his education. You might be correct. But, as I've demonstrated, educational records can not only be disappeared completely, they can be made unavailable even while it can be claimed that they exist. They can even be made ghostlike. Untrustworthy. Is it real? Or is it Memorex?

 

It appears that Bob Lazar built a jet powered car out of an AMC Gremlin. Whether he learned that from a Mechanics Illustrated magazine or MIT or Cal Tech, he claims that somebody who saw his work invited him to this "job" in order to reverse-engineer a portion of this craft. I happen to know that both military branches and military contractors do this very kind of "recruiting" all the time. But I can't say that they do it to reverse engineer UFOs, because I don't particularly believe that UFOs exist.

 

Back to Bigfoot?:

 

A few federal agencies (U.S. Forest Service among them) and some state agencies (Alaska Department of Fish and Game among them) have published "statements" on the existence of Bigfoot. They run a similar theme: 

"It would be nice if they exist, but there's no proof that they do."

 

They are often published on April fools Day, or offer some other form of humor.

 

This is a common tactic of government and lawyers: instilling doubt.

 

And I'd like to ask you one final question, since you have well educated yourself on the PG film event:

 

Can you provide a single official statement by either the U.S, Forest Service (since the film was shot in Six Rivers National Forest) or the California Dept. of Fish and Game (who would be the agency responsible for managing wildlife in that forest) or the Bureau of Indian Affairs (since, if Sasquatches are human, they would be the agency negotiating with them)?

 

Any statement at all? Acknowledging the filming? Investigating the event? Even showing any interest at all in the event? 

 

A single word?

 

Yeah. I know. I've looked for it for decades. It doesn't exist, or it isn't available.

 

Has government of any kind (state/federal) conducted any investigation on the existence of Bigfoot anywhere at any time?

 

Yeah. I know. I've looked for decades. It doesn't exist. Local police have. Documented. Isn't that interesting?

 

Therefore:
 

IS THE GOVERNMENT HIDING SOMETHING?

 

[  ] Yes

[  ] No

 

Because they most certainly hid Hillary Clinton's thesis..............I just proved that...............but you weren't watching................

[Huntster]

Just cuz' I'm bored.........:

 

Feral people occasionally exist. I can prove it.

 

A feral human was even "mistaken" as an Almas in Asia. I can prove it.

 

So consider this AI statement on the question, "are feral people on public lands?":

 

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The term "feral people" is a concept often circulated online, particularly on platforms like TikTok and YouTube, often associated with rumors and myths about national parks and other public lands

. However, it's important to understand that: 

There is little to no evidence supporting the existence of widespread "feral" or cannibalistic populations in US national parks or other public lands.

Most disappearances in national parks are due to factors like injuries, old age, and getting lost, rather than encounters with such mythical beings.

Park officials offer rational explanations for missing persons cases, based on the circumstances of the disappearance.

The idea of "feral people" is often seen as a hoax or fear-based theory, particularly linked to unfounded rumors. 

US Forest Service (USFS) perspective on public safety and managing interactions:

The USFS focuses on public safety and managing various interactions on national forests. Their guidance and actions center around: 

Addressing real concerns: This includes preventing and addressing illegal activities like drug production and theft, as well as providing guidance on how to report suspicious behavior.

Prioritizing visitor safety: They provide tips for safely visiting national parks and forests, such as staying aware of surroundings, reporting suspicious activity, and knowing how to contact authorities in emergencies.

Promoting respectful behavior: They advocate for treating everyone with respect and encourage positive interactions between visitors.

Enforcing regulations: The USFS enforces regulations to ensure a safe and enjoyable experience for all visitors, covering issues like vehicle operation, noise levels, and proper waste disposal.

Crime prevention: They encourage visitors to be vigilant and report any suspicious activity or criminal behavior they encounter, following a "Neighborhood Watch" approach in forest settings. 

In essence, while the idea of "feral people" on public lands is largely a myth, the USFS does address the reality of managing visitor safety and dealing with potential threats or illegal activities. They emphasize being aware of your surroundings and reporting any concerns or suspicious behavior to the appropriate authorities. 

 

Note the overall theme: discouraging the thought of feral people on public lands, ("largely a myth)", but encouraging you to report them if you see them.

 

Is this an official statement by the USFS? Ever see one by the USFS (or any other land management agency)? Can you google one up now?

 

I would think that folks could see through this stuff by now, but apparently not....................

[norseman]

1 hour ago, Backdoc said:

 

No, I don’t actually.  
 

It’s not an issue where “records are not available to prove it either way”     
 

What does Hillary Clinton have to do with anything?  Many times, and maybe this is one of those times, she happens to be the favourite topic of certain people.   I suspect when she was able to practice law in Arkansas she had to provide copies of her diploma, grades, and so on.   Thus without my access to her personal papers I have to trust the bar of Arkansas who vetted her ability to take the test.   
 

IF Bob claims to have 2 degrees he does not actually have what does that make him?

 

 

How about answering my yes or no Question and leave others out of it.

 

I’ll go where the facts take me.  I won’t ask the facts to go where I am and swat them away if I don’t like what they suggest.  

 

 

 

Fine.   What do YOU say? Does Bob have 2 degrees.  1 from MIT and one from Cal Tech?  

Stan Friedman contended that he did not.

 

So IF every thing we know is true about him working at Area 51, Element 115, filming test flights, etc?

 

Option 1: Either Bob Lazar lied his way on to a top secret base with fake credentials. (If that is true? What does that say about our national security!)

 

Option 2: The Government has whitewashed his past when he got caught filming the test flight. How do you square that he never worked at Los Alamos allegedly when him and his jet car are in the freakin newspaper? Oops. And this isn’t the first time people who have got cross with the government before had this happen to them. You have heard of men in black right?
 

And here is the kicker for me. I think George Knapp is beyond reproach as a journalist. I hold him in high regard. He seems to believe Bob Lazar. He broke his story. And the FBI raided his house…. So if Bob Lazar is just a lying nobody? What are they looking for?

[Trogluddite]

8 hours ago, Huntster said:

 

I know Both state and federal officials do that kind of thing in Alaska. They're very creative in closing access. In the case of Six Rivers National Forest (the Bluff Creek Area) it's closed each winter to protect Port-Orford-cedar (POC) trees from the spread of POC root disease. These closures, primarily in the Gasquet and Orleans/Lower Trinity Ranger Districts, are triggered by wet weather and typically last through the rainy season. In effect, protecting Port Orford cedar trees has the side benefit of protecting sasquatches. 

 

See how that works? 

 

Oh dear, you've figured it out.  The men in black will be by to see you soon! 

8 hours ago, Backdoc said:

The truth is usually simple.   I don’t know the reason or what the claimed reason might be from the government.    Your idea seems more likely than closing it down to keep Bigfoot searchers out.   If that was the case, wouldn’t they close it down in warmer times more likely to have Bigfoot sightings and activity?   

"Area closed due to high danger of forest fires" or "Area closed due to high water levels and risk of flash flooding."  

 

Using Occam's razor (I've always used Gillette myself), the most likely answer is that state and federal wildlife / land management officials are responding to known dangers to wildlife and public lands.  That does not preclude the existence of a shadowy network of secretive men and the occasional woman in a smoke filled room (as seen on the X-Files) from sitting around a table figuring out how to protect State Game Lands 22 because they know (telepathically, of course) that five female Bigfoot are in the area giving birth to yung'uns.  Time to roll out the spotted owl again, right Smoking Man?

[Trogluddite]

9 hours ago, Huntster said:

It appears that Bob Lazar built a jet powered car out of an AMC Gremlin.

Wonder what the results would have been if he had used a Pinto?

[norseman]

Bears, Wolves and Cougars. 
 

I have watched government agencies LIE through their teeth concerning these sensitive topics.

 

1) Problem Grizzly releases. They have lied about this for years. There are no Grizzly bears here….then why is one raiding my chicken coop? Where did it come from?

 

2) Wolves. The Game dept will pay for Wolf predation on livestock IF you can prove it wasn’t a Bear or a Cougar or a Coyote, etc. IF….Big IF. And if they can muddy the waters? They will. 
 

3) Cougars. I was involved in the tail end of the losing battle to keep hound hunting in Wa state. In an effort to get it shut down? State biologists claimed there were only 10 breeding pair of Cougars in our county. We laughed in their face. There is no shortage of Cougars here. In fact running them with hounds is the most humane way to hunt Cougar. If you tree a female with kittens? You leave. Easy.

1 minute ago, Trogluddite said:

Wonder what the results would have been if he had used a Pinto?

Pegasus

[Huntster]

9 minutes ago, Trogluddite said:

Wonder what the results would have been if he had used a Pinto?

 

Fire.

[Huntster]

9 hours ago, norseman said:

.....…. So if Bob Lazar is just a lying nobody? What are they looking for?

 

Whatever they can find. Just because they can.

 

And they can just as easily not find whatever it is that they don't want to find. They do it every single day.

 

And everybody reading this knows that fact, and knows it well.

[Huntster]

9 hours ago, Huntster said:

..........Feral people occasionally exist. I can prove it...........

 

What do you think of the US Forest Service's view on feral people?

 

Do feral people exist on USFS lands? 

 

Well................YEAH. Obviously. They exist on your downtown streets, in just about every city and town in America. Literal zombies. Oh, yeah, we can (and likely will) debate the definition (and degrees) of the word "feral", so (AI):

 

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..........When someone is described as "feral," it generally means they are behaving in a wild, untamed, or uncivilized manner, often lacking social graces or exhibiting aggressive or unpredictable behavior. It's a term used to describe a person acting out of control, similar to how one might describe a wild animal..........

 

Obviously, government (at all levels with this one, especially local) is pretty sensitive with this issue bercause it's literally in our faces due to "homelessness", which is the word they want us to use.

 

Remarkably, feral humans is part of the Bigfoot phenomenon. Zana of Abkhazia was an Almas:

 

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"Almas" can refer to several things, including a name, a cryptozoological creature, a type of caviar, and more. It's most commonly associated with the name of Arabic origin meaning "diamond," and also refers to a mythical creature from Central Asian folklore. 

 

Here's a breakdown of the different meanings of "Almas":

1. Name:

• Arabic Origin: "Almas" is a name of Arabic origin, meaning "diamond".
• Gender Neutral: While traditionally a girl's name, it is increasingly used for boys as well.
• Spiritual Significance: In some Muslim contexts, it can represent spiritual guidance and be chosen for its association with the precious gemstone. 
   

2. Cryptozoological Creature:

• Mongolian "Wild Man":

  In Mongolian folklore, "Almas" (or "Almasty") refers to a hairy, ape-like creature said to inhabit the Altai Mountains of southern Mongolia.
• Caucasian Folklore:

  Similar creatures are also described in North Caucasian and Turkic folklore.
• Not Scientifically Recognized:

  Most mainstream scientists consider the Almas to be a legendary or mythical creature.
• Description:

  These creatures are often described as being of human height, with long breasts in the case of females. They are generally considered timid and nocturnal. 

 

It has been recently proven that Zana was also 100% homo sapien by DNA analysis. 

 

She was also, definitively, a feral human.

 

She can be, and was, all three at the same time.

 

As replies to this post will illustrate, some people will disagree, passionately. They might want a creature with a distinct DNA. They might be emotionally sensitive to the plight of homeless or feral people. They might want to downplay the potential danger to the public of feral people wandering public lands or sidewalks. 

 

You can even run a search on YouTube (using the que "feral people") and see the proof that there is no shortage of people publishing pure BS in the attempt to profit from the phenomenon. The fear. The wonder. The uncertainty.

 

Thus, one can see the plight of the USFS in addressing the problem. They cannot allow people to habitate public lands in defiance to rules, regulations, and laws. They also don't want to frighten the public. They also need to consider the plight of the poor, mentally ill, or abandoned who have sunk to such a condition. Their official statements must be crafted carefully, and their responsive actions to feral people on the lands they manage must be appropriate, measured, and carefully enacted.

 

Now extend that thought to a race of primitive human cousins slowly going extinct. Especially recall the results of that YouTube search you just ran on the profiteers of the reality of feral people on public lands. Such a human species might be called "Sasquatch", but they are also definitively "human" and "feral".

 

Sorry, folks, the USFS (and the rest of federal and state governments, at the highest levels) appear to have determined that these creatures are going to live their lives out in the most remote areas of our wild lands without official, commercial, social, or political interference. And that's just the way it's going to be.