What do you think of the US Forest Service's view on bigfoot?

[norseman]

https://www.facebook.com/reel/951620466929730?fs=e&fs=e
 

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[georgerm]

What do you think of the US Forest Service's view on bigfoot?

[iacozizzle]

 

[norseman]

Here is what I am talking about. 
 

Aerial Flir footage.

 

 

[bipedalist]

I'm expecting a book report on 1984 and the definition of doublespeak in this thread next 

[MikeZimmer]

19 hours ago, bipedalist said:

I'm expecting a book report on 1984 and the definition of doublespeak in this thread next 

There yah go! 

 

Book Report on 1984 by George Orwell

Title: 1984
Author: George Orwell
Publication Year: 1949
Genre: Dystopian fiction, Political satire

Summary:

1984 is a dystopian novel set in a future totalitarian society where the government, known as "The Party," exercises total control over every aspect of life. The story follows Winston Smith, a low-ranking member of the ruling Party in Airstrip One (formerly known as Great Britain), which is a province of the superstate Oceania.

Winston works at the Ministry of Truth, where he alters historical records to fit the Party’s propaganda. He becomes disillusioned with the regime’s oppressive control over truth, language, and even thought. His quiet rebellion begins when he starts a secret love affair with Julia, a fellow Party member who also resents the system. Together, they rent a room where they believe they can speak and act freely.

Their defiance leads them to O'Brien, a senior Party official who pretends to be part of a resistance movement called the Brotherhood. However, it is a trap. Winston and Julia are arrested by the Thought Police and subjected to brutal interrogation and re-education. Through torture and psychological manipulation, Winston is forced to betray Julia and ultimately comes to accept the Party's version of reality. By the end, he loses his ability to think independently and truly believes the Party’s most absurd claims, including the ultimate surrender: loving Big Brother.

Themes:

• Totalitarianism and Oppression: The novel depicts a society stripped of personal freedom, where the government controls not only behavior but thought.

• Surveillance: "Big Brother is watching you" symbolizes the intrusive surveillance that ensures loyalty and suppresses dissent.

• Truth and Reality: The Party controls truth through constant revision of history and denial of objective facts.

• Language and Thought: The invention of Newspeak illustrates how language can be used to restrict thought.

Definition of Doublespeak:

Doublespeak is a term derived from George Orwell’s ideas in 1984, although the word itself does not appear in the novel. It refers to deliberately ambiguous, evasive, or misleading language used to disguise the truth or make the unacceptable appear acceptable.

In 1984, a related concept is Doublethink, which means the ability to hold two contradictory beliefs at the same time and accept both as true. Doublespeak functions as a tool of propaganda, enabling the government to mask lies as truth (e.g., “War is Peace,” “Freedom is Slavery,” “Ignorance is Strength”).

In contemporary usage, doublespeak often describes bureaucratic or political language that obscures reality. For example, using "collateral damage" instead of "civilian deaths," or "enhanced interrogation" instead of "torture."

Conclusion:

1984 is a powerful warning against the dangers of authoritarianism, propaganda, and the loss of individual freedom. It remains relevant as a critique of political manipulation and the corruption of language. The concept of doublespeak continues to serve as a lens for analyzing political and corporate discourse that distorts meaning to maintain control.

 

[FLY]

On 6/24/2025 at 1:29 PM, Backdoc said:

 

 

OK I'll try.   

 

Let me start by saying I do not believe we are being visited by Aliens.

 

 

I can give all the reasons why I don't think so.   Since I don't think so, I obviously don't believe stories of anyone who claims Hollywood style Alien encounters.   There may or may not be life out there, but I don't happen to believe it is visiting earth.    

 

On the issue of Bob Lazar, I would have to put those feelings aside and try to weigh Bob Lazar's story.   This would all come down to credibility of the one making the claim.

 

If there are big holes in someone's story the objective person seeking the truth would weigh that out.  Those want to believe it, need to believe it, want it to be true bad enough will overlook those weaknesses.  That makes them less objective and very likely to make excuses for the one making the claim.   It's like Linus in the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown:   "PS  If you aren't real don't tell me, I don't want to know"    

 

Education:

A person's skill set would match the job they had.  Thus, if the government is working on Alien space craft only top-notch people would get access to it.   For Bob Lazar to be one of these people working on a secret Alien propulsion system he would have to have credentials to be at a level to be considered.  Provable credentials.   Sure, they probably need janitors at Area 51 as well. Bob L is not claiming to be a janitor. He is claiming to be a scientist allowed to work on Alien space craft propulsion systems.   After all, the government can get anyone they want.

 

Sit down Einstein, Oppenheimer, Bohr. Von Braun, We got our guy, and his name is Bob Lazar.

 

The claims Bob Lazar makes on having the training and education he claims don't add up.  Translation:  it isn't true.   This alone is enough to make it clear he would NEVER be near the job he claims to have.  Bob Lazar claims somehow; someone scrubbed his college records and essentially any and all proof he attended MIT and Cal Tech.   Where are his Diplomas (plural) on the wall?    There are no photographs of him in an office with these degrees on the wall.  He can't name professors who he claims taught him

 

 

He can't name all kinds of things easy for anyone who went there to be able to identify.     Where is his name in a graduation roster at Graduation?  Where are the W2s from his work?   

 

 

We know those in the military have admitted in the freedom of information act the government found it useful during the cold war to propagate stories of Aliens as cover for work on the U2, the flight or Stealth aircraft and so on.  It is even remotely possible the government hired /conspired with Bob to tell Alien stories to as a further use to propagate Alien stories and freak our enemies.  I don't believe that at all but at least it is possible.  It is also possible they found him to be a useful unwitting tool as someone telling stories which serve the military's own intentions of propagating stories though completely uncoordinated in any way with Lazar.

 

Bob may have worked for a company tied into military contracts and maybe even worked as some lower-level employee at Area 51.  If he did, he was just working at a Military base.   So what?

 

 

This should be enough, but I would be glad to address more points if you need me to.  

 

In summary.  If Bob L claimed ONLY he graduated from MIT and Cal Tech, he can't even prove that.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is the Hubble ultra deep field photograph. 

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The original NASA release, containing about 10,000 galaxies of various ages, sizes, shapes, and colors. The smallest, reddest ones are some of the most distant galaxies to have been imaged by an optical telescope, probably existing shortly after the Big Bang.

Hubble Deep UV (HDUV) Legacy Survey; 15k galaxies, released August 16, 2018

ABYSS WFC3/IR Hubble Ultra Deep Field; released January 24, 2019
The Hubble Ultra-Deep Field (HUDF) is a deep-field image of a small region of space in the constellation Fornax, containing an estimated 10,000 galaxies. The original data for the image was collected by the Hubble Space Telescope from September 2003 to January 2004 and the first version of the image was released on March 9, 2004.[1] It includes light from galaxies that existed about 13 billion years ago, some 400 to 800 million years after the Big Bang.

The HUDF image was taken in a section of the sky with a low density of bright stars in the near-field, allowing much better viewing of dimmer, more distant objects. Located southwest of Orion in the southern-hemisphere constellation Fornax, the rectangular image is 2.4 arcminutes to an edge,[2] or 3.4 arcminutes diagonally. This covers a section of the sky comparable  to a tennis ball  at one hundred meters. In that small section are at least 10,000 galaxies. Each with at least a million Suns. Each sun has planets orbiting  them in the billions.  So remember.  With all those expected planets in that tiny section of the sky. Add in the rest of  even just the half of the sky you can observe from your location.  You really believe there couldn't be aliens observing and visiting us?

Edited yesterday at 02:46 AM by FLY

[Huntster]

11 hours ago, FLY said:

.........This covers a section of the sky comparable  to a tennis ball  at one hundred meters. In that small section are at least 10,000 galaxies. Each with at least a million Suns. Each sun has planets orbiting  them in the billions.  So remember.  With all those expected planets in that tiny section of the sky. Add in the rest of  even just the half of the sky you can observe from your location.  You really believe there couldn't be aliens observing and visiting us?.........

 

Believing is fun, and there's nothing wrong with it. But there's no proof of intelligent life on other planets. It's that simple. That written, I believe that it's possible, but I do not believe that they are visiting us in physical vehicles.

 

Noting your point (which is essentially the Drake Equation written in a different form), we know that sasquatch type creatures existed in the past. We have fossils. It is scientifically established. What we don't have is (1) fossils dated recently, as in a few hundred years, and (2) such fossils found in North America. That's the only proof of sasquatch that is lacking with regard to the current sasquatch phenomenon.

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:54 PM by Huntster

[norseman]

15 minutes ago, Huntster said:

 

Believing is fun, and there's nothing wrong with it. But there's no proof of intelligent life on other planets. It's that simple. That written, I believe that it's possible, but I do not believe that they are visiting us in physical vehicles.

 

Noting your point (which is essentially the Drake Equation written in a different form), we know that sasquatch type creatures existed in the past. We have fossils. It is scientifically established. What we don't have is (1) fossils dated recently, as in a few hundred years, and (2) such fossils found in North America. That's the only proof of sasquatch that is lacking with regard to the current sasquatch phenomenon.

 

 

 

But Congress does believe in the possibility that aliens are visiting us with physical vehicles. They have held multiple hearings on the phenomenon. 

 

https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-exposing-the-truth/

 

How many Congressional hearings have we had on Sasquatch?

 

I agree that we have more proof of archaic hominids (at least in the public domain) than we do UAPs. But this is also logical if we are truly being visited by a more advanced civilization. Asking abductees for proof on aliens or a UFO is akin to asking a Bass if he has evidence of a Bass boat or a human. 
 

Personally I believe people like Travis Walton just as much as I do Bob Gimlin. And I am bias because unlike Sasquatch I am a multiple time UFO witness. And while I can entertain what I saw recently as our own military? I was seeing the same thing in the 1970s which makes it harder to explain as a secret military project. IMHO.

 

We live in interesting times to say the least.

[Huntster]

5 minutes ago, norseman said:

But Congress does believe in the possibility that aliens are visiting us with physical vehicles. They have held multiple hearings on the phenomenon..........

 

That's their job, and despite my disbelief, I support them looking in to it.

 

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.......How many Congressional hearings have we had on Sasquatch?.........

 

Zero. Nada. Zip. And it's their job, and I've stated on this forum a zillion times that they're failing..............or it's intentional. I believe the latter.............

 

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.........I agree that we have more proof of archaic hominids (at least in the public domain) than we do UAPs. But this is also logical if we are truly being visited by a more advanced civilization. Asking abductees for proof on aliens or a UFO is akin to asking a Bass if he has evidence of a Bass boat or a human.........

 

Yet we even have claims that such proof is in the hands of government.

 

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........We live in interesting times to say the least.

 

..........or dangerous time. I say the latter, and as I posted in The Tar Pit:

 

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We have arrived. You cannot believe what you see in the media. The Age of the Lie has been perfected and distributed to just about anyone to use. It's like everybody with a few nuclear grenades in his possession..........

 

 

 

[norseman]

59 minutes ago, Huntster said:

 

That's their job, and despite my disbelief, I support them looking in to it.

 

 

Zero. Nada. Zip. And it's their job, and I've stated on this forum a zillion times that they're failing..............or it's intentional. I believe the latter.............

 

 

Yet we even have claims that such proof is in the hands of government.

 

 

..........or dangerous time. I say the latter, and as I posted in The Tar Pit:

 

 

 

 

I also believe in the latter!👍

[FLY]

2 hours ago, Huntster said:

 

That's their job, and despite my disbelief, I support them looking in to it.

 

 

Zero. Nada. Zip. And it's their job, and I've stated on this forum a zillion times that they're failing..............or it's intentional. I believe the latter.............

 

 

Yet we even have claims that such proof is in the hands of government.

 

 

..........or dangerous time. I say the latter, and as I posted in The Tar Pit:

 

 

 

 

I watched that video this morning with my son. Was going to post it on the forum also. Crazy stuff 

[Backdoc]

On 7/26/2025 at 9:43 PM, FLY said:

This is the Hubble ultra deep field photograph. 

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The original NASA release, containing about 10,000 galaxies of various ages, sizes, shapes, and colors. The smallest, reddest ones are some of the most distant galaxies to have been imaged by an optical telescope, probably existing shortly after the Big Bang.

Hubble Deep UV (HDUV) Legacy Survey; 15k galaxies, released August 16, 2018

ABYSS WFC3/IR Hubble Ultra Deep Field; released January 24, 2019
The Hubble Ultra-Deep Field (HUDF) is a deep-field image of a small region of space in the constellation Fornax, containing an estimated 10,000 galaxies. The original data for the image was collected by the Hubble Space Telescope from September 2003 to January 2004 and the first version of the image was released on March 9, 2004.[1] It includes light from galaxies that existed about 13 billion years ago, some 400 to 800 million years after the Big Bang.

The HUDF image was taken in a section of the sky with a low density of bright stars in the near-field, allowing much better viewing of dimmer, more distant objects. Located southwest of Orion in the southern-hemisphere constellation Fornax, the rectangular image is 2.4 arcminutes to an edge,[2] or 3.4 arcminutes diagonally. This covers a section of the sky comparable  to a tennis ball  at one hundred meters. In that small section are at least 10,000 galaxies. Each with at least a million Suns. Each sun has planets orbiting  them in the billions.  So remember.  With all those expected planets in that tiny section of the sky. Add in the rest of  even just the half of the sky you can observe from your location.  You really believe there couldn't be aliens observing and visiting us?

 

FLY

 

I see the stars and galaxies and soon.   There could be life on none or many. If there is life, my contention is just that it hasn’t visited earth.  That’s all.   
 

we might not even be the most significant thing in our own solar system to an outside passerby 

 

the numbers of stars and things you mention seem more geared to suggest life must be on a few.   Fine.   
 

I don’t see someone 561,789 light years from earth even knowing we are here let alone deciding somehow through some means to come here.  

[norseman]

1 hour ago, Backdoc said:

 

FLY

 

I see the stars and galaxies and soon.   There could be life on none or many. If there is life, my contention is just that it hasn’t visited earth.  That’s all.   
 

we might not even be the most significant thing in our own solar system to an outside passerby 

 

the numbers of stars and things you mention seem more geared to suggest life must be on a few.   Fine.   
 

I don’t see someone 561,789 light years from earth even knowing we are here let alone deciding somehow through some means to come here.  

We would definitely be the most interesting thing in our own solar system.
 

But you’re making the assumption that aliens are gonna get in a craft and specifically fly to Earth just to check us out. Here are a couple of options to consider.

 

1) They have left their home world a long time ago and are slowly expanding in all directions exploring our galaxy. Our discovery is simply a pleasant surprise or a wary observation and was never an objective of theirs in the beginning.

 

2) Instead of being an alien race cohabiting our galaxy? They are humans from the distant future. Time travelers. Or another sentient Earth species older than ourselves that comes back from time to time to check on the home world.

 

I think the evidence is overwhelming we have been visited by UFOs or UAPs or whatever we would like to call them. I think what is pure speculation is WHAT or WHO they are. Or even if they present themselves to us in the same way from generation to generation. They obviously are not little green men from Mars like our grandparents thought. Maybe we are all in a computer simulation and the programmers like to throw us curve balls? 🤷‍♂️

[Backdoc]

^^^

 

Life could very well be out there.   Even if there is advanced life, why would our galaxy and esp our very solar system been interesting to them?

 

Out of all the grains of sand on the beach, what is so unique about our one grain of sand out of the Gazillions.

 

 

We are to believe there is life all over the universe.  If such life is out there looking AND such life is all over the universe then it seems there are other more interesting planets competing with Earth.  Say there are 100,000,000,000,000 earths out there.  Wouldn't we have to take out an ad in Alien Visitor Magazine to get their attention?  

 

I guess I call it the "Needle in the haystack" reasoning.   

 

Still, I keep an open mind about it.

 

 

 

• Chuck Noland: That's a search area of 500,000 square miles. That's twice the size of Texas. They may never find us.

 

Remember this Pale Blue Dot is just a pic from Voyager looking back at Earth while STILL in our own solar system.

 

 

Edited 44 minutes ago by Backdoc