What do you think of the US Forest Service's view on bigfoot?

[norseman]

 

[socialBigfoot]

13 hours ago, norseman said:

I watched this Talk About Strange video for the flir footage and then kept watching for the conspiracy theory. The conspiracy part of the video helps me understand why a government agency like USFS doesn't acknowledge Bigfoot. 

 

I'm not familiar with this channel but I soon became confused about why the host was confused about his story regarding a woman claiming to have birthed bigfoot's daughter (and similar videos) has not gone viral and viewed by millions of people. He then implied there must be a conspiracy to blunt him as a deliverer of this important information. He goes on to suggest a malware issue on his high-end technology is further evidence that someone or some group is trying to silence him.

  

I honestly wasn't sure if he was serious about all this. Stories of Bigfoot boinking humans have been around for a while. There's a whole fiction genre about this stuff. I'm not judging whether such things actually happen, but, culturally, it's generally believed that human-Bigfoot hybrids walking among us are not a real thing, and if a person believes that they are, then that person is probably not right in the head. There are similar fringe beliefs in the UFO community on human-alien hybrids.

 

If the USFS were to say "Yes, Bigfoot are real", then for most of the population this is also saying "Yes, Bigfoot-human hybrids are real, too." I agree that the economic impacts of endangered species plays a role, but I would argue the bigger influence on USFS's silence is maintaining an image of a legitimate and rational federal agency.
     
I'm sure this channel host is sincere and works hard on his content, but he seems too eager to believe stories that people send to him. This just makes him an easy mark for a hoaxer or anyone looking for attention. 

 

[guyzonthropus]

After reading through this thread, it strikes me that if sasquatch were "but a mere wood ape" and the government knew of it, as seems to be the concensus, it would have been acknowledged long ago. There would be no big deal if there was a large American forest gorilla species. Which then compels one to reason there must be considerably more to it.

 

The foot morphology certainly seems to point to a far more human creature, as does the bipedal walking, and apparently opposable thumbs. And then there's its apparent cognitive abilities, as seen in their knack for stealth and existing on the periphery of our towns and cities. Then there's the evidence of language development, another indicator of a higher sentience. And that's not even touching on the elements of woo...

 

But in light of the silence, its difficult to presume just how the feds view these creatures, but I'd hazard the guess that they know a good deal more about them than most of us do.....

[bipedalist]

On 8/2/2025 at 5:13 PM, norseman said:

I will bump this again. As it got no response. How is it we have leaked aerial FLIR footage of an alleged Sasquatch? Has any government entity came out with details? This is rather germane to the topic at hand. And it’s rather similar to what’s happening in the other mystery field that shall remain nameless. Because I don’t want to derail the topic again.

 

Which episode leaked FLIR footage of Sasquatch, all I saw was a wannabe Youtube creator whining about why he didn't have more hits and money?!

[norseman]

2 hours ago, bipedalist said:

 

Which episode leaked FLIR footage of Sasquatch, all I saw was a wannabe Youtube creator whining about why he didn't have more hits and money?!

It’s at the very start of the video. He gives credit to flash of beauty. It’s an aerial FLIR video.

[NathanFooter]

 I know a few state wildlife officials and forest service personnel, my take is some know ( those who have been a long time or need to know ) and some do not. 

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, NathanFooter said:

 I know a few state wildlife officials and forest service personnel, my take is some know ( those who have been a long time or need to know ) and some do not. 

 

This is similar to my experience. I don't know any USFS or state forestry personnel, but I do know or have spoken with numerous ADFG biologists or other personnel over the years about numerous issues. Those who have had professional exposure to the phenomenon know, but usually portray cautious curiosity, but other personnel scoff, so those who know don't talk........or talk "under the table". This is similar to the animosity between ADFG and more than one federal agency in Alaska about numerous issues. Those who must struggle with the opposing agency do so, and those who don't keep quiet about issues. This professional behavior mirrors what I experienced within DoD. You quickly learn what to openly discuss, and what to keep quiet about, even with non-classified information.

[Backdoc]

22 hours ago, guyzonthropus said:

After reading through this thread, it strikes me that if sasquatch were "but a mere wood ape" and the government knew of it, as seems to be the concensus, it would have been acknowledged long ago.

 

We again need to talk about two issues here:

 

1)  What does it mean or how do we define what the Government knowing Bigfoot exists means?

 

Until we have a body, people in government -and people who are not in government - are not going to step up and say Bigfoot exists.   It makes sense as the issue is largely governed by science.  Science is supposed to be determined by the scientific method being testable and requiting proof.  Finally, the politics of those in Academia are likely to promote those who share their consensus and look down upon those who go against that consensus.   This is why one of the skeptic scientists on Discovery Channel said of Dr. Jeff Meldrum, "He is brave" to study this issue.  It would seem to me in today's world the default position is, "Bigfoot is unproven to exist"

 

 

2)  Who is the government?

 

Those who talk of the government seem to really be saying a government is some groupthink of people with some unified purpose to keep bigfoot quiet.  That is, they have some proof of Bigfoot being real and the highest motivation to keep it quiet.

 

I think that is part of government at different levels under various reasons.   The issue really is this:  Does Bigfoot's existence falls into that category/ level of concern.

 

If it doesn't (and I don't think it does) then the government to me would just fall into a normal expected set point of "Bigfoot is not proven to exist" 

 

 

 

[norseman]

1 hour ago, Backdoc said:

 

We again need to talk about two issues here:

 

1)  What does it mean or how do we define what the Government knowing Bigfoot exists means?

 

Until we have a body, people in government -and people who are not in government - are not going to step up and say Bigfoot exists.   It makes sense as the issue is largely governed by science.  Science is supposed to be determined by the scientific method being testable and requiting proof.  Finally, the politics of those in Academia are likely to promote those who share their consensus and look down upon those who go against that consensus.   This is why one of the skeptic scientists on Discovery Channel said of Dr. Jeff Meldrum, "He is brave" to study this issue.  It would seem to me in today's world the default position is, "Bigfoot is unproven to exist"

 

 

2)  Who is the government?

 

Those who talk of the government seem to really be saying a government is some groupthink of people with some unified purpose to keep bigfoot quiet.  That is, they have some proof of Bigfoot being real and the highest motivation to keep it quiet.

 

I think that is part of government at different levels under various reasons.   The issue really is this:  Does Bigfoot's existence falls into that category/ level of concern.

 

If it doesn't (and I don't think it does) then the government to me would just fall into a normal expected set point of "Bigfoot is not proven to exist" 

 

 

 

This has all been discussed before.

 

1) Government and science work hand in hand. I have already stated that the Smithsonian is above the law. We may already have a skeleton in our possession and the Smithsonian is under no obligation to produce it. They are exempt from the law that requires academia to give back tribal burial remains. You quoted guy’s point he was making that if they are some form of human then there may be reasons to not be transparent with the American people. It’s very telling that they make the Smithsonian exempt from federal law. At least we know where the bodies are kept.

 

2) Again you’re running under the false assumption that the government has no dog in the fight. The government is not transparent with all sorts of issues. From MK Ultra to UFOs to nuclear tests, etc….. Just pick a subject. We can all speculate as to why they may not be transparent with Bigfoot. But the bottom line is that with their surveillance capabilities within the last 50 years alone tells me they know what’s out there and yet it’s crickets.

 

And when I talk about the government, I am not talking about Ranger Bob at the Park entrance. I am talking about the people at the top who set policy. The people who manage to get the Smithsonian exempt from Federal law. The real power brokers that can end someone’s career with a phone call.

 

Who tells the FAA to tell Delta airlines to fire pilots trying to report close encounters with UFOs? And why? Why would you attempt to cover up a safety risk? Good question! Would a 800 lbs bipedal primate pose a safety risk in our nations hinterlands? Probably? And yet with all of the evidence produced? The U.S. Forest Service makes fun of the idea of Bigfoot! Why? Same. Same.

[Backdoc]

17 hours ago, norseman said:

 

 

Who tells the FAA to tell Delta airlines to fire pilots trying to report close encounters with UFOs? And why? Why would you attempt to cover up a safety risk? Good question!

 

We are back to UFO's.  Unless Bigfoot IS A UFO I don't see the parallels.   

 

I don't discount the concept of what you are saying. That is, I will more than agree our government- to the extent that it can- would take action to cover up/ protect issue of national security.

 

Back to your Delta airlines thing, I will have to look that up.  But assuming you are 100% accurate about that it reflects the issue of UFO's.  UFO's.      For your point to make sense, you would have to have regular reports of Forrest rangers, Police, and so on being told by a groupthink government to not report BIGFOOT sightings and encounters.   It is bigfoot encounters which are at issue in this case.  Lyle Laverty himself was put in for a high level job in our Government.  Why wasn't he pressured to say the footprints were a hoax?   Why did he still have a job?  Why did he get promoted to high level job in government?  

 

 

 

17 hours ago, norseman said:

 

Would a 800 lbs bipedal primate pose a safety risk in our nations hinterlands? Probably? And yet with all of the evidence produced? The U.S. Forest Service makes fun of the idea of Bigfoot! Why? Same. Same.

 

Quiz:   What are the most dangerous animals encountered in the forest?

 

I have to think bears, mountain lions, or whatever pose risk to the hiking population out there.  Based on the numbers the risk would be higher for bears than for the elusive bigfoot.  Encounters seem to be a shy animal that runs away when encountered by most reports.   Sure maybe hikers lost in the woods are eaten or killed by Bigfoot.  It's possible.   To me its more likely they died from getting lost in a hostile environment.  Maybe, just maybe, it was more likely they got eaten by a bear.

 

We trust Roger and Bob had a Bigfoot encounter at bluff creek.   What did Patty do?  She trotted off when confronted.

 

 

 

If we had a bigfoot on a slab I do think it would create some good and some bad results.   I will admit you would haver every Tom, ****, and Harry out there trying to shoot one.

 

 

  You would also have every previously skeptical scientist out there trying to film a Bigfoot.  Hopefully they would apologize to Dr. Meldrum before they did.  

 

 

[Huntster]

4 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

.........For your point to make sense, you would have to have regular reports of Forrest rangers, Police, and so on being told by a groupthink government to not report BIGFOOT sightings and encounters.........

 

No, you don't. No squads of Men in Black with magic wands are needed. 

 

Really. 

 

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........ Lyle Laverty himself was put in for a high level job in our Government.  Why wasn't he pressured to say the footprints were a hoax?   Why did he still have a job?  Why did he get promoted to high level job in government?........

 

Because he pretty much kept his mouth shut for decades (smart guy), and even now in interviews admits to living the long Bigfoot era there, responding to the rumored encounter, and photographing the prints, but doesn't speak with fervent belief, saying he can't understand how a pair of cowboys got the goods since he'd been there for years and came up with only nest finds and a single sighting (yeah...........go ahead, find that info).............

 

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.........Quiz:   What are the most dangerous animals encountered in the forest?.........

 

Vipers. And Homo sapiens. I'm not sure which is worse, but in many cases, the only way to tell them apart is that vipers don't have legs.

 

But both appear to have forked tongues..............

 

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.........If we had a bigfoot on a slab I do think it would create some good and some bad results.   I will admit you would haver every Tom, ****, and Harry out there trying to shoot one.

 

Correct. Immediately after the morons of the planet are convinced (apparently, through coercion) that Sasquatches exist, they will want to *kill/harass/"study"/follow/copulate with/live with/etc* them. 

 

All you need to do to keep them at bay is to chuckle when the subject comes up, crack a joke, maintain a facial appearance of superior intelligence, and suggest to the moron that they need a new Tesla due to the deteriorating environment, and off they go focused on e more important fact of life. 

[Backdoc]

31 minutes ago, Huntster said:

 

Because he pretty much kept his mouth shut for decades (smart guy), and even now in interviews admits to living the long Bigfoot era there, responding to the rumored encounter, and photographing the prints, but doesn't speak with fervent belief, saying he can't understand how a pair of cowboys got the goods since he'd been there for years and came up with only nest finds and a single sighting (yeah...........go ahead, find that info).............

 

 

I have to disagree with you on this.  Lyle Laverty is an essential ancillary witness to the Bigfoot world.   He is not a promoter but clearly is a key witness to those who believe the PGF is a real event.  The fact he is not a Bigfoot Zealot increases his credibility. 

 

If this all powerful government really needed to keep this bigfoot thing quiet it would quickly involve Lyle Laverty in the cover-up. It would not promote him.  He would be pressured to outright lie about what he found that day.  

 

You have suggested this government diminishes all these people.   Here is Lyle Laverty getting a promotion.   How?

 

 

Somehow Jeff Meldrum gets more and more coverage and more and more respect.   That government keeps slipping up.   Why haven't they threatened him or paid him off to keep him quiet or make him one of their useful puppets?  How are TV shows which can be pro-Biogfoot even on TV?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which one seems to be the kind of issue the Government would try to keep quiet?

 

A:

 

 

B:

 

 

C:

 

 

 

 

Answer:    A and B not C

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[norseman]

53 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

 

I have to disagree with you on this.  Lyle Laverty is an essential ancillary witness to the Bigfoot world.   He is not a promoter but clearly is a key witness to those who believe the PGF is a real event.  The fact he is not a Bigfoot Zealot increases his credibility. 

 

If this all powerful government really needed to keep this bigfoot thing quiet it would quickly involve Lyle Laverty in the cover-up. It would not promote him.  He would be pressured to outright lie about what he found that day.  

 

You have suggested this government diminishes all these people.   Here is Lyle Laverty getting a promotion.   How?

 

 

Somehow Jeff Meldrum gets more and more coverage and more and more respect.   That government keeps slipping up.   Why haven't they threatened him or paid him off to keep him quiet or make him one of their useful puppets?  How are TV shows which can be pro-Biogfoot even on TV?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which one seems to be the kind of issue the Government would try to keep quiet?

 

A:

 

 

B:

 

 

C:

 

 

 

 

Answer:    A and B not C

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The most simple explanation is that if they have the ability to squash A and B then why not C?
 

How are you making the determination that the government would cover up this but not that?

 

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