What do you think of the US Forest Service's view on bigfoot?

[norseman]

17 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

 

 

I think you hit on it!   I see the magnitude of the issue as the determining factor for keeping secrets.  We just disagree on the magnitude.  For reasons of your own, you see the magnitude of Bigfoot at a level equal or greater than UFO's or Military Secrets.  I see 2 of those issues reach that level but not the other.  Thats all it is.

 

Continued Respect.

 

 

 

 

 

What magnitude? This is silly.

 

As a hiker do I care more if I am being abducted by aliens? Do I care more if I am being irradiated by my own government? Or do I care more if I had my arms ripped off and beaten to death by Bigfoot? I would be willing to bet that all three scenarios are very unappealing to the average human.

 

The common thread with all three scenarios is that my government did not warn me of the danger! They knew better and said nothing.

 

And it’s a FACT they keep secrets at the expense of people’s lives and health.

 

So you can play some mental gymnastics as to where this “magnitude” comes into play concerning the Feds. Thats fine. I on the other hand have a different approach…. If their lips are moving? It’s a lie.

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, norseman said:

...…. If their lips are moving? It’s a lie.

 

And if their lips don't move? They aren't lying.

 

But that doesn't mean there's nothing to talk about............

[Backdoc]

On 8/12/2025 at 4:43 PM, norseman said:

What magnitude? This is silly.

 

As a hiker do I care more if I am being abducted by aliens? Do I care more if I am being irradiated by my own government? Or do I care more if I had my arms ripped off and beaten to death by Bigfoot? I would be willing to bet that all three scenarios are very unappealing to the average human.

 

The common thread with all three scenarios is that my government did not warn me of the danger! They knew better and said nothing.

 

And it’s a FACT they keep secrets at the expense of people’s lives and health.

 

So you can play some mental gymnastics as to where this “magnitude” comes into play concerning the Feds. Thats fine. I on the other hand have a different approach…. If their lips are moving? It’s a lie.

 

 

If a person is convinced our government is in cooperation with Aliens, the sky is the limit on what else can fit that narrative.   This position makes it much easier to believe any action needed downstream from that same government. 

 

If I don't happen to believe the Aliens-Government thing at all as we both know.  This makes me less likely to believe the government knows about Bigfoot and is keeping it quiet.

 

I can agree our government would do some of the things you might imagine involving areas of National Security.    Again, the Magnitude is the defining issue.  

 

The funny thing is I am more than willing from my perspective to open the door to your position provided I was given a good enough reason the issue raising to a level like national security. (There is that darn Magnitude again).  

 

Once someone is convinced of the Close Encounters world, anything they dream up is always possible.  Such a foundational belief makes your type of conclusions much easier to believe.   

 

 

 

Since I am convinced our government WOULD do a massive UFO cover up should they exist, I just happen to require any other issue rises to that level.   

 

 

 

It is all about the magnitude, as it should be.  It's not "silly" at all.  

 

I respect where you are coming from.  I don't know how else to say it but I don't buy the first thing (Government-Alien-Connection) so I can't buy the second thing (Government coving up Bigfoot).   If one buys the first thing then they have the mental currency to buy just about anything.

 

I have found sometimes discussing these things with those convinced came come across as an attack on what they happen to believe.  This isn't the case.  It's just a respectful disagreement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, Backdoc said:

If a person is convinced our government is in cooperation with Aliens, the sky is the limit on what else can fit that narrative........

Now, that right there is World Class wit! I salute you, and am jealous that I didn't come up with it. If you are not opposed, I think I need to add that to my profile signature........properly accredited, of course........

 

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...........I don't happen to believe the Aliens-Government thing at all as we both know..........

Nor do I, because I don't believe extraterrestrial aliens are visiting this planet. However, IF they were, I'm absolutely convinced that government would suppress that information from the public, and........

 

..........they may very well be using the illusion that it is aliens flying around in secret military craft that they themselves are creating and experimenting with in our skies.

 

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.........I can agree our government would do some of the things you might imagine involving areas of National Security.    Again, the Magnitude is the defining issue.  

 

The funny thing is I am more than willing from my perspective to open the door to your position provided I was given a good enough reason the issue raising to a level like national security. (There is that darn Magnitude again)........

Understood. You've done well to make that clear over the past few years that these questions have been discussed, and it's a very valid foundation of skepticism. 
 

However, I believe you are somehow missing the magnitude of another extant human species still sharing our planet, and which is nearing extinction. 

The worldwide political response to such news would be every bit as a concern (even if different) to national governments as the discovery of extraterrestrial aliens.

 

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........Since I am convinced our government WOULD do a massive UFO cover up should they exist, I just happen to require any other issue rises to that level.........

There is no requirement for sasquatchery to rise to the level of fear that ray-gun toting aliens bring to the table to accept the possibility that government is suppressing the "discovery" of sasquatches. Indeed, I fear "human rights lawyers" MUCH more than I fear phaser-toting aliens, primarily because I KNOW "human rights lawyers" exist in numbers far, far greater than the numbers of sasquatches, I know what dangers they pose to both human society in the macro as well as to a dying race of primitive humans, and I don't believe phaser-toting aliens exist.

 

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..........I respect where you are coming from.  I don't know how else to say it but I don't buy the first thing (Government-Alien-Connection) so I can't buy the second thing (Government coving up Bigfoot).   If one buys the first thing then they have the mental currency to buy just about anything.

 

I have found sometimes discussing these things with those convinced came come across as an attack on what they happen to believe.  This isn't the case.  It's just a respectful disagreement.

 

Agreed, and back at 'ya.

 

Think of our discussions on this an unqualified repeat of the Owens/Huxley public debates on Darwinism/evolution, which just happened to coincide with the acceptance (not "discovery") of the gorilla (imagine that co-incidence!)...........

[norseman]

3 hours ago, Backdoc said:

 

 

If a person is convinced our government is in cooperation with Aliens, the sky is the limit on what else can fit that narrative.   This position makes it much easier to believe any action needed downstream from that same government. 

 

If I don't happen to believe the Aliens-Government thing at all as we both know.  This makes me less likely to believe the government knows about Bigfoot and is keeping it quiet.

 

I can agree our government would do some of the things you might imagine involving areas of National Security.    Again, the Magnitude is the defining issue.  

 

The funny thing is I am more than willing from my perspective to open the door to your position provided I was given a good enough reason the issue raising to a level like national security. (There is that darn Magnitude again).  

 

Once someone is convinced of the Close Encounters world, anything they dream up is always possible.  Such a foundational belief makes your type of conclusions much easier to believe.   

 

 

 

Since I am convinced our government WOULD do a massive UFO cover up should they exist, I just happen to require any other issue rises to that level.   

 

 

 

It is all about the magnitude, as it should be.  It's not "silly" at all.  

 

I respect where you are coming from.  I don't know how else to say it but I don't buy the first thing (Government-Alien-Connection) so I can't buy the second thing (Government coving up Bigfoot).   If one buys the first thing then they have the mental currency to buy just about anything.

 

I have found sometimes discussing these things with those convinced came come across as an attack on what they happen to believe.  This isn't the case.  It's just a respectful disagreement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First? You have to listen to what I am saying before you can make any real rebuttals.

 

I never once said aliens have a connection with our government, much less working in cooperation with them. 

 

What I have shown you through whistleblowers, congressional hearings and facts is that our government LIES. On a whole host of issues! Not just cryptids and UFOs.

 

And it’s extremely disingenuous on your part to pretend that some order of magnitude made up by bureaucrats in DC determines when the government LIES and when it’s being honest. Yes, this is the silliest thing I have heard. 
 

Sec of Defense: I have to go before Congress in 10 minutes! Orderly call the Office of Magnitude! Ask them where they rate the One eyed, one horned flying purple eater attack on Early Iowa.
Orderly: I have them on the line sir….they say deny everything! Blame the six dead on a micro tornado and the purple blur on swamp gas!

Sec of Defense: If I lie under oath at this hearing do I get immunity from the Oval Office?

Orderly: They say only if you do the thing….Raytheon is getting impatient with the trials test.

Sec of Defense: But their plasma rifle sucks! Ok….ok…..I will sign off!

House Committee: Raise your right hand Mr. Secretary….Do you swear to tell the whole truth….

[Trogluddite]

On 8/12/2025 at 7:19 PM, Huntster said:

 

And if their lips don't move? They aren't lying   ............

 

... they're lying by omission....

 

2 hours ago, norseman said:

Sec of Defense: I have to go before Congress in 10 minutes! Orderly call the Office of Magnitude! Ask them where they rate the One eyed, one horned flying purple eater attack on Early Iowa.

 Man, you just dated yourself!! :-)   Young'uns should brace for seeing the world in black-and-white...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9H_cI_WCnE

[georgerm]

 

 

So why is the Forest Service or the Bureau of Land Management so tight lipped or openly jokes about the bigfoot issue? The bigfoot/alien issue is for another thread. For now, bigfoot is enough to discuss  

 

Let's say that you are in charge of our national forest and your job is to make sure that the nation gets enough forest trees so builders can build homes economically. Along comes news of the endangered species called the Spotted Owl that causes wildlife biologist to call for forest areas to be spared from logging so the populations of these owls can remain intact. As this is happening government wildlife biologist report to their superiors with bigfoot video films and footprint casts. This bigfoot evidence is coming from all areas of the national forest and not just small pockets of forest as with the case of spotted owls. The Forest Service faces logging shut downs or is forced to make up a mythical wildlife fairy tale about bigfoot.  "The habitat to one of Americas greatest legends may be at risk," stated by Thaddeus Guttenberg, U. S. Forest Service, Mythical Wildlife Division. The term bigfoot is tossed into the myth category.    https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/blog/loss-space-threatening-north-american-sasquatch 

 

My opinion is logging can continue with the sustained yield forestry practices where trees are constantly planted so there is a constant supply of lumber. How does this help bigfoot? When trees are planted there is enough new vegetation growing in the sunny logged areas that supplies deer with food. Bigfoot in return has fresh deer and huckleberries to feed on during all parts of the year.         

 

[norseman]

2 hours ago, georgerm said:

 

 

So why is the Forest Service or the Bureau of Land Management so tight lipped or openly jokes about the bigfoot issue? The bigfoot/alien issue is for another thread. For now, bigfoot is enough to discuss  

 

Let's say that you are in charge of our national forest and your job is to make sure that the nation gets enough forest trees so builders can build homes economically. Along comes news of the endangered species called the Spotted Owl that causes wildlife biologist to call for forest areas to be spared from logging so the populations of these owls can remain intact. As this is happening government wildlife biologist report to their superiors with bigfoot video films and footprint casts. This bigfoot evidence is coming from all areas of the national forest and not just small pockets of forest as with the case of spotted owls. The Forest Service faces logging shut downs or is forced to make up a mythical wildlife fairy tale about bigfoot.  "The habitat to one of Americas greatest legends may be at risk," stated by Thaddeus Guttenberg, U. S. Forest Service, Mythical Wildlife Division. The term bigfoot is tossed into the myth category.    https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/blog/loss-space-threatening-north-american-sasquatch 

 

My opinion is logging can continue with the sustained yield forestry practices where trees are constantly planted so there is a constant supply of lumber. How does this help bigfoot? When trees are planted there is enough new vegetation growing in the sunny logged areas that supplies deer with food. Bigfoot in return has fresh deer and huckleberries to feed on during all parts of the year.         

 

 

It’s my experience that most mills in the USA have shut down. Most lumber comes from Canada right now. My home county is very lucky with four mills. But most are lucky to have one mill. I drove through Whitefish Montana recently. It’s all looking like Aspen Colorado now. Posh. Pricey. No longer logger based. 

 

https://www.mtpr.org/2024-04-18/lumber-mill-closure-leaves-seeley-lake-wrestling-with-a-timberless-future

 

The reason is in a large part because areas that own private forests can sustain themselves. Those that rely on federal timber sales? Are gone. The only exception I know of is down by Headquarters Idaho. That Forest seems to be pro logging to this day. Why? I dunno. 
 

But I agree with you that if Bigfoot hunts Deer? Deer like logging cuts and burns. They like tender browse.