What do you think of the US Forest Service's view on bigfoot?

[norseman]

43 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

 

 

I thought I would mention I wasn't the one who brought up UFO's  

 

Back to lying:  There is no doubt people and organizations lie for a whole variety of reasons.    

 

 

You mention Whistleblowers.  Since Whistleblower are also people, sometimes Whistleblowers are liars as well.  They are not immune to lying.  

 

Bigfoot is the issue.   Lying about Bigfoot would assume the person/ organization doing the lying is 1) aware of some truth about bigfoot and 2) actively chooses to misrepresent the truth. 

 

Could be.   Just because I don't believe that doesn't mean I close the door to the possibly. 

 

If Bigfoot IS being kept quiet by the government, I'm betting it is just a matter of time before the cell phone blows the cover of any cover-up.   Things happen too fast in real time now.  Unlike the old days no one has to get the camera.  They always have a camera, video, social media, and telephone with them at all times.  Imagine some scenario where bigfoot is hit by someone's truck.    It's everywhere on social media before the sheriff arrives.    

 

You didn’t bring up UFOs, but you also didn’t grasp why I brought up UFOs, or you did and chose to misrepresent my position.🤷‍♂️
 

My position and comparison. If UFOs are real? (Which they are, the pre Sputnik observatory plates prove this) There is a zero percent chance the government hasn’t detected them. Which logically also applies to a 800 lbs primate walking across international borders, bombing ranges, national parks, etc. 37 trillion dollars buys a lot of hardware. So if what I say is true? Then how is the government not lying? 

 

And I also disagree that cell phones are gonna crack anything. It’s just another crummy blurry video to add to the heap. And the local Forest Ranger will laugh about it and call it a man in a Gorilla suit. It’s the same tactic as calling a UFO “swamp gas”. 
 

You ask why the government lies. This seems to be the lynchpin to your belief. You cannot fathom why the government would lie about some unknown creature. Well I would first state that Bigfoot is the all time hide and seek champion. So something is obviously different about this creature vs a mountain gorilla or a bear or even a cougar. Huntster brings up that it’s probably human. I don’t know if this is true or not from a scientific point of view. But it certainly looks more like us than any great ape. This may very well be a can of worms the government doesn’t want opened especially with its historical relationship to native Americans. 
 

My .02 cents? The government never admits it doesn’t have control. So they are never gonna say that they cannot control their own airspace, anymore than they are gonna admit that they cannot control their own parks. They would rather badger witnesses and continue a false narrative while putting the general public at risk.

 

Anyone reading this? I would advise people to look at other subjects that deal with the federal government. You will start connecting the dots. Unfortunately…. I know it’s a tough pill to swallow. 
 

 

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, Backdoc said:

........If Bigfoot IS being kept quiet by the government, I'm betting it is just a matter of time before the cell phone blows the cover of any cover-up.........

I don't believe that. Norse is 100% correct:

 

It has to be a carcass, and delivered........to somebody........

 

Photographic evidence is as worthless as testimony. If the Patterson film, complete with casted footprint evidence, site visits by several independent parties afterwards, and in a location with a 12 year history of footprints (that exact size and shape) and sightings isn't enough to get government or Science to invest a hoot, forget photography.

[Trogluddite]

^^

Agree with this sentiment 100% - they had bodies of spotted owls, thus declared them a species.  They had bodies of whatever smelt or fish that they used to shut down most of the water in California, thus they could declare them a species.  No amount of casts, videos, or testimony will cause science or the government to recognize this species, not because those things are inherently worthless, but they are insufficient to support a scientific conclusion.   

[MIB]

57 minutes ago, Huntster said:

I don't believe that. Norse is 100% correct:

 

It has to be a carcass, and delivered........to somebody........

 

Photographic evidence is as worthless as testimony.

 

I'm afraid I have to agree as well .. mostly.  I do believe that clear, up close, digital footage might be useful in that if we are to deliberately seek a carcass successfully, rather than wait on random chance, then it is going to take resources.   While photos / video will not prove existence, they might convince donors or even academics that there is something worth their resources to study / collect.    In the way of an analogy, your car engine doesn't directly turn the tires to make you move ... good video / photos MIGHT prove to be the transmission or drive shaft that connect the pieces that otherwise won't connect.

 

[Backdoc]

1 hour ago, norseman said:

You didn’t bring up UFOs, but you also didn’t grasp why I brought up UFOs, or you did and chose to misrepresent my position.🤷‍♂️
 

My position and comparison. If UFOs are real? (Which they are, the pre Sputnik observatory plates prove this) There is a zero percent chance the government hasn’t detected them. Which logically also applies to a 800 lbs primate walking across international borders, bombing ranges, national parks, etc. 37 trillion dollars buys a lot of hardware. So if what I say is true? Then how is the government not lying? 

 

And I also disagree that cell phones are gonna crack anything. It’s just another crummy blurry video to add to the heap. And the local Forest Ranger will laugh about it and call it a man in a Gorilla suit. It’s the same tactic as calling a UFO “swamp gas”. 
 

You ask why the government lies. This seems to be the lynchpin to your belief. You cannot fathom why the government would lie about some unknown creature. Well I would first state that Bigfoot is the all time hide and seek champion. So something is obviously different about this creature vs a mountain gorilla or a bear or even a cougar. Huntster brings up that it’s probably human. I don’t know if this is true or not from a scientific point of view. But it certainly looks more like us than any great ape. This may very well be a can of worms the government doesn’t want opened especially with its historical relationship to native Americans. 
 

My .02 cents? The government never admits it doesn’t have control. So they are never gonna say that they cannot control their own airspace, anymore than they are gonna admit that they cannot control their own parks. They would rather badger witnesses and continue a false narrative while putting the general public at risk.

 

Anyone reading this? I would advise people to look at other subjects that deal with the federal government. You will start connecting the dots. Unfortunately…. I know it’s a tough pill to swallow. 
 

 

 

 

Try as I might, most of this is not at all what I said.    If there was even a time for me to step back from a thread for a while this is that time. 

 

 

[norseman]

1 hour ago, Backdoc said:

 

 

Try as I might, most of this is not at all what I said.    If there was even a time for me to step back from a thread for a while this is that time. 

 

 

If I have misconstrued your position? My apologies.

 

And I have taken none of this personal. Step back or debate some more. It’s all good.👍

[norseman]

1 hour ago, MIB said:

 

I'm afraid I have to agree as well .. mostly.  I do believe that clear, up close, digital footage might be useful in that if we are to deliberately seek a carcass successfully, rather than wait on random chance, then it is going to take resources.   While photos / video will not prove existence, they might convince donors or even academics that there is something worth their resources to study / collect.    In the way of an analogy, your car engine doesn't directly turn the tires to make you move ... good video / photos MIGHT prove to be the transmission or drive shaft that connect the pieces that otherwise won't connect.

 

I have always hoped so. But 50 some odd years past the PGF and we are still in purgatory. 

[Huntster]

6 hours ago, MIB said:

.......if we are to deliberately seek a carcass successfully, rather than wait on random chance, then it is going to take resources.........

 

Indeed, but I think the community has all the resources needed. The real key is an organization like BFRO who might get a fresh report of ongoing activity. This solves the most difficult hurdle in trying to catch a rare creature: concentrating the hunt in the best possible area. The last hurdle would be finding a destination for the carcass, and I believe we have interested scientific authorities qualified for that.

 

But the first hurdle is obtaining the authority to harvest.

 

Just as one would initiate a big game hunt, one must obtain the license and harvest tag or permit. This is no different. One even needs permission to pick flowers on public lands. Gathering firewood requires permission. You can't simply hunt and kill wildlife without permission, even on private lands. And this requirement serves two major purposes:

 

1) Requesting a permit to harvest a Sasquatch, on either public or private lands, forces government to address the issue. They can't just continue with their silence. And if they refuse the permit, they have to give a reason why...........which can be addressed in order to reapply.

 

2) Once finally obtained, the harvest is 100% legal, and the permit will pre-clarify what will be done with the harvested sasquatch, just like hunting regs specify what must be done with harvested big game.

[georgerm]

Bigfoot

 

 

 

The topic of this thread is: what do you think of the US Forest Service's view on Sasquatch? The Forest Service's own opinion as of this year is as follows: "The US Forest Service's official stance on Bigfoot is that it's a creature of folklore and urban legend, though they have engaged in some playful acknowledgements of the creature." 

 

1/4 of a billion acres is managed by the Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management and what is their main duty? Their duty is to insure that we have a "sustained yield" of lumber trees. What's that? If it takes a Douglas Fir trees 30 years to grow to a profitable crop then cut 1/30th of your land per year and replant each year.  The Forest Service's job is to sustain wildlife. Could we have the Forest Service managers more out of touch with the reality of Sasquatch when Sasquatch reports pour in from all parts of the country along with mysterious disappearances of hikers.

 

This is the topic so please refrain from derailing it or simply start your own topic. What is your viewpoint? If the Forest Service admitted that they know all about Sasquatch, would this close down most logging? Does sustained yield logging harm or help Sasquatch? Could the Forest bring in revenue for creating bigfoot parks and selling true life proven Bigfoot books written by their wildlife biologist.

 

 The national forest lands that are composed of 245 million acres of land mostly dedicated to commercial forest, grazing, grazing and wildlife preservation. As Norseman stated most of the lumber mills in his area have closed and the same here in Coos Bay, Oregon. Maybe someone can start a new topic on this dilemma. Forest Service incognito posters reply at will. Norseman can you please deal with chronic topic derailers? 

 

 

 

                                               

Edited 22 hours ago by georgerm

[Backdoc]

On 8/15/2025 at 3:46 PM, Huntster said:

I don't believe that. Norse is 100% correct:

 

It has to be a carcass, and delivered........to somebody........

 

 

That is everyone's preference. No doubt a body on a slab is proof and proably the only proof science will accept.

 

On 8/15/2025 at 3:46 PM, Huntster said:

Photographic evidence is as worthless as testimony. If the Patterson film, complete with casted footprint evidence, site visits by several independent parties afterwards, and in a location with a 12 year history of footprints (that exact size and shape) and sightings isn't enough to get government or Science to invest a hoot, forget photography.

 

Clearly until there is a body on a slab (or in a cage) ALL the public will not be convinced.

 

Back in 1967 the ability to film Bigfoot, a Wolverine, or whatever was limited to the camera/ tech available.   

 

All I am getting at is the modern reality where everyone is armed with a cell phone.  This would make it much easier to have better video footage of a Bigfoot vs the encounter in 1967.   

I think we can dream up some hypothetical scenario where the cell phone is a game changer for most people.

 

Consider an exact PGF encounter today if the PGF happened today.  Roger and Bob both have cell phone (or better yet a GOPRO)

 

Roger and Bob could come around the bend and have Patty on a cell phone feed with Roger running after Patty.   Gimlin might even pull his out which includes video of Roger filming Patty.  After the event, they would be able to film endlessly the trackway.  There would be commentary and probably a few, "Holy ___ " comments along the way.   We would have audio.   They probably would document every step and event any phone call made.   There might only be 90 seconds of Patty but supporting evidence would be fully documented.  

 

This is they kind of difference I say technology would make.  By this I use the metaphor of a cell phone.  

 

If the moon landing is not enough to convince ALL viewers I don't expect a great modern video to convince all viewers.   But a home run video would convince a high percentage.  I even think it would shift any Paradym from, "Bigfoot is not proven to exist" 

 

For consideration here is video of a dad and daughter getting a 1 in a million video of a wolverine in Yellowstone.  Note the similarities to the PGF right down to the animal trotting away:

 

  

 

 

 

[Huntster]

25 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

........No doubt a body on a slab is proof and proably the only proof science will accept..........

 

........If the moon landing is not enough to convince ALL viewers I don't expect a great modern video to convince all viewers.   But a home run video would convince a high percentage.........

 

The goal isn't to convince more people on the street that sasquatches exist. The goal is to convince more scientists and authorities that they need to get with the program to study/confirm the phenomenon. I suppose the argument that "better footage" can accomplish that, but I again posit that if the PGF, combined with the events in Six Rivers National Forest circa 1955-1967 couldn't do it (or even elicit a single official statement from the USFS), more video isn't likely to get it done.

 

We can all bandy beliefs on this and other such forums until the proverbial logging truck (an increasingly rare critter itself these days) provides a carcass, or the community can cooperate in obtaining a carcass itself. And I again posit that the very first act in acquiring said carcass is to apply for a hunting license and harvest permit with both a (or some) state wildlife management agencies and with the USFS, who owns the huge parcels most likely to be the hunting grounds. And, again, just the act of applying for such a permit from said agencies in itself would be a significant enlightenment for the community. How will said agencies react? They will almost certainly refuse such a permit, but what will their reason(s) be? 

 

As a sidenote, we've had about 25 years of a growing game cam presence in the woods, and from that has come quite a few supposed sasquatch pics. None have moved the meter (even though several have provided fodder for internet discussion). I've used a game cam myself in my bear baiting hunts for every bit of those 25 years, and have captured many pics of bears, moose, birds, people,........and even a wolverine. But not a hint of a sasquatch (no wolves yet, either............hmmmmmm........I wonder if wolves exist in Alaska?)

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, Huntster said:

The goal isn't to convince more people on the street that sasquatches exist..........

 

Addendum:

 

I contend that the above is precisely what most in authority or even individual power believe, even within the private sasquatch movement. With government, I believe they have come to recognize that the best policy is to keep sasquatchery in the realm of myth. It is certainly best for the sasquatches, it is the easiest and least expensive policy for government, and it's even easiest and best for the public.

 

Those sasquatch research groups supposedly having regular contact with sasquatches maintain a marvelous level of informational security for the same reasons.