What do you think of the US Forest Service's view on bigfoot?

[norseman]

43 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

 

 

I thought I would mention I wasn't the one who brought up UFO's  

 

Back to lying:  There is no doubt people and organizations lie for a whole variety of reasons.    

 

 

You mention Whistleblowers.  Since Whistleblower are also people, sometimes Whistleblowers are liars as well.  They are not immune to lying.  

 

Bigfoot is the issue.   Lying about Bigfoot would assume the person/ organization doing the lying is 1) aware of some truth about bigfoot and 2) actively chooses to misrepresent the truth. 

 

Could be.   Just because I don't believe that doesn't mean I close the door to the possibly. 

 

If Bigfoot IS being kept quiet by the government, I'm betting it is just a matter of time before the cell phone blows the cover of any cover-up.   Things happen too fast in real time now.  Unlike the old days no one has to get the camera.  They always have a camera, video, social media, and telephone with them at all times.  Imagine some scenario where bigfoot is hit by someone's truck.    It's everywhere on social media before the sheriff arrives.    

 

You didn’t bring up UFOs, but you also didn’t grasp why I brought up UFOs, or you did and chose to misrepresent my position.🤷‍♂️
 

My position and comparison. If UFOs are real? (Which they are, the pre Sputnik observatory plates prove this) There is a zero percent chance the government hasn’t detected them. Which logically also applies to a 800 lbs primate walking across international borders, bombing ranges, national parks, etc. 37 trillion dollars buys a lot of hardware. So if what I say is true? Then how is the government not lying? 

 

And I also disagree that cell phones are gonna crack anything. It’s just another crummy blurry video to add to the heap. And the local Forest Ranger will laugh about it and call it a man in a Gorilla suit. It’s the same tactic as calling a UFO “swamp gas”. 
 

You ask why the government lies. This seems to be the lynchpin to your belief. You cannot fathom why the government would lie about some unknown creature. Well I would first state that Bigfoot is the all time hide and seek champion. So something is obviously different about this creature vs a mountain gorilla or a bear or even a cougar. Huntster brings up that it’s probably human. I don’t know if this is true or not from a scientific point of view. But it certainly looks more like us than any great ape. This may very well be a can of worms the government doesn’t want opened especially with its historical relationship to native Americans. 
 

My .02 cents? The government never admits it doesn’t have control. So they are never gonna say that they cannot control their own airspace, anymore than they are gonna admit that they cannot control their own parks. They would rather badger witnesses and continue a false narrative while putting the general public at risk.

 

Anyone reading this? I would advise people to look at other subjects that deal with the federal government. You will start connecting the dots. Unfortunately…. I know it’s a tough pill to swallow. 
 

 

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, Backdoc said:

........If Bigfoot IS being kept quiet by the government, I'm betting it is just a matter of time before the cell phone blows the cover of any cover-up.........

I don't believe that. Norse is 100% correct:

 

It has to be a carcass, and delivered........to somebody........

 

Photographic evidence is as worthless as testimony. If the Patterson film, complete with casted footprint evidence, site visits by several independent parties afterwards, and in a location with a 12 year history of footprints (that exact size and shape) and sightings isn't enough to get government or Science to invest a hoot, forget photography.

[Trogluddite]

^^

Agree with this sentiment 100% - they had bodies of spotted owls, thus declared them a species.  They had bodies of whatever smelt or fish that they used to shut down most of the water in California, thus they could declare them a species.  No amount of casts, videos, or testimony will cause science or the government to recognize this species, not because those things are inherently worthless, but they are insufficient to support a scientific conclusion.   

[MIB]

57 minutes ago, Huntster said:

I don't believe that. Norse is 100% correct:

 

It has to be a carcass, and delivered........to somebody........

 

Photographic evidence is as worthless as testimony.

 

I'm afraid I have to agree as well .. mostly.  I do believe that clear, up close, digital footage might be useful in that if we are to deliberately seek a carcass successfully, rather than wait on random chance, then it is going to take resources.   While photos / video will not prove existence, they might convince donors or even academics that there is something worth their resources to study / collect.    In the way of an analogy, your car engine doesn't directly turn the tires to make you move ... good video / photos MIGHT prove to be the transmission or drive shaft that connect the pieces that otherwise won't connect.

 

[Backdoc]

1 hour ago, norseman said:

You didn’t bring up UFOs, but you also didn’t grasp why I brought up UFOs, or you did and chose to misrepresent my position.🤷‍♂️
 

My position and comparison. If UFOs are real? (Which they are, the pre Sputnik observatory plates prove this) There is a zero percent chance the government hasn’t detected them. Which logically also applies to a 800 lbs primate walking across international borders, bombing ranges, national parks, etc. 37 trillion dollars buys a lot of hardware. So if what I say is true? Then how is the government not lying? 

 

And I also disagree that cell phones are gonna crack anything. It’s just another crummy blurry video to add to the heap. And the local Forest Ranger will laugh about it and call it a man in a Gorilla suit. It’s the same tactic as calling a UFO “swamp gas”. 
 

You ask why the government lies. This seems to be the lynchpin to your belief. You cannot fathom why the government would lie about some unknown creature. Well I would first state that Bigfoot is the all time hide and seek champion. So something is obviously different about this creature vs a mountain gorilla or a bear or even a cougar. Huntster brings up that it’s probably human. I don’t know if this is true or not from a scientific point of view. But it certainly looks more like us than any great ape. This may very well be a can of worms the government doesn’t want opened especially with its historical relationship to native Americans. 
 

My .02 cents? The government never admits it doesn’t have control. So they are never gonna say that they cannot control their own airspace, anymore than they are gonna admit that they cannot control their own parks. They would rather badger witnesses and continue a false narrative while putting the general public at risk.

 

Anyone reading this? I would advise people to look at other subjects that deal with the federal government. You will start connecting the dots. Unfortunately…. I know it’s a tough pill to swallow. 
 

 

 

 

Try as I might, most of this is not at all what I said.    If there was even a time for me to step back from a thread for a while this is that time. 

 

 

[norseman]

1 hour ago, Backdoc said:

 

 

Try as I might, most of this is not at all what I said.    If there was even a time for me to step back from a thread for a while this is that time. 

 

 

If I have misconstrued your position? My apologies.

 

And I have taken none of this personal. Step back or debate some more. It’s all good.👍

[norseman]

1 hour ago, MIB said:

 

I'm afraid I have to agree as well .. mostly.  I do believe that clear, up close, digital footage might be useful in that if we are to deliberately seek a carcass successfully, rather than wait on random chance, then it is going to take resources.   While photos / video will not prove existence, they might convince donors or even academics that there is something worth their resources to study / collect.    In the way of an analogy, your car engine doesn't directly turn the tires to make you move ... good video / photos MIGHT prove to be the transmission or drive shaft that connect the pieces that otherwise won't connect.

 

I have always hoped so. But 50 some odd years past the PGF and we are still in purgatory. 

[Huntster]

6 hours ago, MIB said:

.......if we are to deliberately seek a carcass successfully, rather than wait on random chance, then it is going to take resources.........

 

Indeed, but I think the community has all the resources needed. The real key is an organization like BFRO who might get a fresh report of ongoing activity. This solves the most difficult hurdle in trying to catch a rare creature: concentrating the hunt in the best possible area. The last hurdle would be finding a destination for the carcass, and I believe we have interested scientific authorities qualified for that.

 

But the first hurdle is obtaining the authority to harvest.

 

Just as one would initiate a big game hunt, one must obtain the license and harvest tag or permit. This is no different. One even needs permission to pick flowers on public lands. Gathering firewood requires permission. You can't simply hunt and kill wildlife without permission, even on private lands. And this requirement serves two major purposes:

 

1) Requesting a permit to harvest a Sasquatch, on either public or private lands, forces government to address the issue. They can't just continue with their silence. And if they refuse the permit, they have to give a reason why...........which can be addressed in order to reapply.

 

2) Once finally obtained, the harvest is 100% legal, and the permit will pre-clarify what will be done with the harvested sasquatch, just like hunting regs specify what must be done with harvested big game.