norseman Posted 4 hours ago Admin Posted 4 hours ago 6 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: I agree with you that there is a massive coverup. My point of contention is whether these crafts are extraterrestrial or extradimensional. Extraterrestrial vs extradimensional — short, useful definitions Extraterrestrial = something that exists elsewhere in our universe’s space–time (another planet, star system, galaxy). It’s still subject to the same physical laws (speed of light, conservation of energy, etc.). Extradimensional = something that exists in a different dimension or “brane” (extra spatial dimensions, a different manifold, or some other sector not directly embedded in our 4D spacetime). This is a speculative idea in some theories (string theory branes, higher-dimensions, etc.). Extradimensional entities or pathways are often invoked in fiction because they could — in principle — allow shortcuts that bypass the normal space-time distance constraints. But they are highly speculative and there’s no empirical evidence for accessible extradimensional shortcuts. Key conceptual difference: extraterrestrial = far away but in the same spacetime; extradimensional = potentially outside/orthogonal to our spacetime Bottom line (practical summary) Intergalactic distances are enormous — millions of light years. Even at 0.99c the trip to Andromeda is ~2.6 million years. Energy scales are stupendous — accelerating modest masses to relativistic speeds requires energy comparable to planetary or stellar outputs. Collisions with the interstellar medium at relativistic speeds produce destructive energies per square meter (megaton scale impacts). Shielding against that is hugely mass-expensive. Propulsion and fuel constraints: chemical rockets are hopeless; even nuclear or antimatter options face energy, engineering, and mass-storage problems many orders beyond current capability. Extradimensional/via-new-physics shortcuts remain the only fictional / speculative ways to avoid these constraints — but they rest on physics we don’t have evidence for and typically require exotic, currently unrealizable energy conditions. I used to be in the extraterrestrial camp. I now lean more towards an extradimensional explanation for the UAP/UFO and biological entities we know to exist. I personally don’t think there is a difference. If your species evolved on a planet very far away, but it’s now a type 3 civilization that can fold space and time? They could be a time traveler. Distances between galaxies or even possibly other universes (multi verse theory) become meaningless. I don’t even think we fully comprehend what a type 3 civilization could be capable of. All of the energy of all of the stars in a single galaxy. Imagine that.
NorCalWitness Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, norseman said: I personally don’t think there is a difference. If your species evolved on a planet very far away, but it’s now a type 3 civilization that can fold space and time? They could be a time traveler. Distances between galaxies or even possibly other universes (multi verse theory) become meaningless. I don’t even think we fully comprehend what a type 3 civilization could be capable of. All of the energy of all of the stars in a single galaxy. Imagine that. fair point. I just lean towards extra dimensional being more feasible. However, that is just my opinion.
norseman Posted 4 hours ago Admin Posted 4 hours ago 22 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: Why not reintroduce grizzly bears into California? I mean, there is a grizzly on the state flag. They had no problem releasing wolves back into the state. Sasquatch and the implications of its existence are as profoundly disruptive to the world as alien disclosure. That is why these two secrecy campaigns mirror one another so closely. Sasquatch isn't covered up because of logging. It has more to do with our understanding of the physical world, systems of control and the multi-dimensional reality we live in (which has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt). They are trying to as we speak. https://plumassun.org/2025/04/22/new-study-assesses-return-of-grizzly-bears-to-california/ I think it’s something along those lines. It has more to do with us and our place on the planet than it does with them.
norseman Posted 4 hours ago Admin Posted 4 hours ago Just now, NorCalWitness said: fair point. I just lean towards extra dimensional being more feasible. However, that is just my opinion. And I don’t disagree. But what I am saying is that they had to be extra terrestrial before they became extra dimensional. We humans are not extra dimensional because we don’t have the technology to do so. But in 1000 years? 5000 years? We could develop the energy and technology to do so. Thats why I think SETI is folly. They aim transceivers at stars and listen for radio signals. Sufficiently advanced aliens are probably no longer living on their home world. And they are probably not using archaic radio signals for communication. They could be so advanced? That they could have beaten their own radio signals to this planet physically. Just like someday our future warp drive space craft will probably fly by the Voyager mission. Still trudging along at some paltry trajectory. Heck maybe future archeologists will capture it and study it like the pyramids? 28 minutes ago, Huntster said: Because we (environmentalists) know all about grizzlies and demand their salvation (even though that is stupidity in some of their original range, like California). Imagine the uproar over another Homo species on the cusp of extinction. People and grizzlies are like oil and water. Today's news. This isn't odd. People up here get chewed up every year. Add another 38 million human bodies, and the bears go nuts. I think the discovery of another species of Homo living under our noses would be profound, disruptive and even terrifying for some. Yes. 1
Huntster Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 2 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: I agree with you that there is a massive coverup. My point of contention is whether these crafts are extraterrestrial or extradimensional......... Either way, if they exist, government discourages discovery. If they don't exist, we have a problem with propaganda from non-government entities. Have you seen the radar video of a Predator drone shooting the orb with a Hellfire missile? it cut a few chunks off of the thing, but all the pieces just kept going as if in formation. Questions: * Why did they release that and other such videos? * Whose bright idea was it to shoot it down? * Now that they did try, and can see the result, who are they going to apologize to? (Ever punch a giant in the face only to see him smile back?) * Why not just go to Columbia and buy the Buga Sphere?
Huntster Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 58 minutes ago, norseman said: .........I don’t even think we fully comprehend what a type 3 civilization could be capable of. ........ Well, it would probably be a really dumb thing to shoot one down so we get a type specimen.
norseman Posted 3 hours ago Admin Posted 3 hours ago Just now, Huntster said: Well, it would probably be a really dumb thing to shoot one down so we get a type specimen. A species that advanced? Isn’t going into the lion cage themselves. IMHO. We are probably dealing with either technological drones and or robots. Or biological drones operating technological craft. Just like the majority of an ant colony or a bee colony is operated by drones that don’t reproduce. They do all the scouting, defending, and heavy lifting. We probably get a free pass because we are on our own planet. If the alien civilization has conservation in mind. If not? Then our extinction event is probably in the not too distant future. And it probably didn’t matter if we shot at them or not. It’s like blaming a badger for defending its burrow. Silly. But If the burrow is in the middle of a free way project? The outcome won’t change. Maybe some of us will survive in their zoo.
NorCalWitness Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, Huntster said: Either way, if they exist, government discourages discovery. If they don't exist, we have a problem with propaganda from non-government entities. Have you seen the radar video of a Predator drone shooting the orb with a Hellfire missile? it cut a few chunks off of the thing, but all the pieces just kept going as if in formation. Questions: * Why did they release that and other such videos? * Whose bright idea was it to shoot it down? * Now that they did try, and can see the result, who are they going to apologize to? (Ever punch a giant in the face only to see him smile back?) * Why not just go to Columbia and buy the Buga Sphere? whoever decided to shoot at it needs to be removed from their position of power. stupid and scary.
norseman Posted 1 hour ago Admin Posted 1 hour ago 17 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: whoever decided to shoot at it needs to be removed from their position of power. stupid and scary. That’s their job. What if it’s Russian or Chinese? We control our airspace just as they do theirs. Pearl Harbor? 911? If you don’t shoot at this trespasser and it blows up the Pentagon? Your head is really gonna roll.
NorCalWitness Posted 27 minutes ago Posted 27 minutes ago 49 minutes ago, norseman said: That’s their job. What if it’s Russian or Chinese? We control our airspace just as they do theirs. Pearl Harbor? 911? If you don’t shoot at this trespasser and it blows up the Pentagon? Your head is really gonna roll. this wasn't in our airspace. it was off the coast of Yemen.
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