Meldrum is a knower now?

[Huntster]

38 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said:

.........I have seen the numerous anti-Standing posts, but have yet to see anything that proves him to be a fraud. If there is some sacred knowledge that the more informed have, I would be more than happy to review it. 

 

I have no knowledge of any "proof" that Standing is a fraud. My exposure to the allegations of his fraudulence goes back way more than 8 years. I discounted all things Standing at least 20 years ago. That is based on "conjecture": an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.........which is what the entire sasquatch phenomenon is. Conjecture. 

 

This is a world of conjecture. We are awash in it. Completely immersed. Nothing is proven. Opinion is pretty much all we have to go on, and opinions are not like..............well, you know. They're more like toes and fingers collectively. Everybody has lots and lots of them..............

 

[NorCalWitness]

40 minutes ago, Huntster said:

 

I have no knowledge of any "proof" that Standing is a fraud. My exposure to the allegations of his fraudulence goes back way more than 8 years. I discounted all things Standing at least 20 years ago. That is based on "conjecture": an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.........which is what the entire sasquatch phenomenon is. Conjecture. 

 

This is a world of conjecture. We are awash in it. Completely immersed. Nothing is proven. Opinion is pretty much all we have to go on, and opinions are not like..............well, you know. They're more like toes and fingers collectively. Everybody has lots and lots of them..............

 

Good post. 

[socialBigfoot]

Meldrum wrote about a personal encounter in his Legend Meets Science book. In 1997 he had a non-visual encounter in Northern California involving something coming into his camp at night and leaving large footprints. I didn't get the impression that this experience converted him into a knower but it probably nudged him in that direction. Standing may have tipped him over the edge. 

 

I'm ambivalent on Standing. I remember watching his Discovering Bigfoot documentary and thinking he seemed to push Meldrum into supporting Standing's claim of being the Jane Goodall of Bigfoot. Standing would keep encouraging Meldrum to do things to deepen his commitment, such as put an apple in a tree, do a Bigfoot call, confirm a foot impression is a Bigfoot print, or admit that he saw that shadow and it was a Bigfoot. It all seemed suspicious to me. 

 

A couple months ago I wrote about the anatomy of a hoax, and honestly I think Standing's behavior shows a similar pattern to Hansen's regarding the Minnesota Iceman, and unfortunately I think he may have been using Meldrum's desire to believe in Bigfoot as a pathway to convert Meldrum into a champion for Standing in the Bigfoot community. As @Huntster says, though, this is all conjecture. 

 

Here's my post for those interested. I'm not above a little self-promotion. https://thesocialbigfoot.substack.com/p/the-art-of-the-hoax

 

 

[Huntster]

^^^^^ Excellent post. I'd like to expand on it............

 

Bobby Short passed away some years ago. She was an excellent data catcher and reporter. She wrote that Lyle "Laverty was associated with a personal Bigfoot sighting near Hyampom, California and a Bigfoot 'nest' found near Scorpion Creek in the Lonesome Ridge region........"

 

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/laverty.htm

 

Like Meldrum's experiences, this is powerful for the individual involved. But, if true, this Leverty thing is huge in terms of him as a USFS timber cruiser supervisor and later Asst. Secretary of the Interior. Nowhere else do we read of this, although I believe Daniel Perez or another interviewer brings it up. Laverty kept it pretty quiet. Yet, when asked about Patterson and Gimlin, he expresses doubt about the film, and he clearly says that he cannot understand how a couple of Washington cowboys could show up and catch the footage of several lifetimes when so many spent so much time there and came up with so little.

 

More conjecture, there. Like I wrote, lots of that conjecture stuff throughout...........

[NorCalWitness]

21 hours ago, norseman said:

There is a heck of alot more to evidence that Standing is a Con man than Paulides???

 

Paulides is simply reporting on missing persons cases on public lands. And the government cover up.

 

Standing wants the Canadian government to recognize Bigfoot as a real species based on a couple of photos! Errmm… muppets!🤷🏻‍♂️

 

 

This best thing our community can do is ONLY accept physical evidence.

 

But if Paulides is a con man? Standing IS Bernie Madoff! 🤨

 

You must have conveniently forgotten to watch the video that one poster gave you about the fraudulent missing 411 con. I would like you to point to any evidence at all which shows Standing is a fraud. The thread you linked has no proof. 

[norseman]

4 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said:

You must have conveniently forgotten to watch the video that one poster gave you about the fraudulent missing 411 con. I would like you to point to any evidence at all which shows Standing is a fraud. The thread you linked has no proof. 

I watched it. There is way less “con” going on with the 411 books….

 

Than trying to convince the Canadian government THIS is a real animal.

[NorCalWitness]

9 minutes ago, norseman said:

I watched it. There is way less “con” going on with the 411 books….

 

Than trying to convince the Canadian government THIS is a real animal.

Have you seen one? 

[MIB]

7 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said:

Have you seen one? 

 

I have.   That ain't it.

 

Seems to me it would be useful to move away from Standing's already-demonstrated hoaxes.    Find something new to beat each other up over.    Hoaxers CAN potentially see / report something real, what he says is not automatically null and void, it is merely that he's dug a hole and whatever he produces has to be of greater verifiability than what a person with a clean reputation has to produce.

[norseman]

13 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said:

Have you seen one? 

I have.

 

 

[NorCalWitness]

1 hour ago, MIB said:

 

I have.   That ain't it.

 

Seems to me it would be useful to move away from Standing's already-demonstrated hoaxes.    Find something new to beat each other up over.    Hoaxers CAN potentially see / report something real, what he says is not automatically null and void, it is merely that he's dug a hole and whatever he produces has to be of greater verifiability than what a person with a clean reputation has to produce.

can you post a photo or drawing that most closely resembles what you saw? I would love to see it. 

1 hour ago, norseman said:

I have.

 

 

touche 

[MIB]

"Patty" comes as close as you're going to get.

 

What I've said before is that Patty was not identical to either of the two I've seen, rather, assuming her to be a middle-aged female, she is biologically correct to match the much larger male I saw in 1976 and to match the late juvenile/early adolescent I saw in 2013.     If you see something that's appearance is not similar-ish to Patty, not exact, but biologically appropriate, you're not looking at a real bigfoot.

 

And, as I've said before, I saw those before I saw the PGF, first long before, second roughly the same time.

 

Other examples would be the Blue Mountain footage though I didn't think the heads were quite so forward-jutting as that film shows, but a pregnant female .. which those were IMHO .. might carry her body differently.

 

MIB

[Sircalum]

I’m glad he got to see one before he passed away. Real or not his life journey was fulfilled! 

[georgerm]

On 9/9/2025 at 2:53 PM, NorCalWitness said:

can you post a photo or drawing that most closely resembles what you saw? I would love to see it. 

touche 

 

Hello NorCal and it's been a while since we have spoken. I just want to say your critical thinking is an important part of Bigfoot research but another important part of Bigfoot research is not to offend the long-time posters on this forum who have dedicated hundreds of hours of Bigfoot research and posting to other people's questions. Critical thinking is important part of research and questioning people that have had experiences is very acceptable. Some people that are making up experiences. The people on this forum have the ability to sense when somebody is not being honest. Now Todd Standing's  so called bigfoot picture posted on this thread looks like a teddy bear that you would buy in the department store. I am never going to pay attention or waste my time on his reports.                     

 

Now I've been doing Bigfoot research ever since about 1980 when I had an up-close Sasquatch sighting. My buddy Bill, and I had cut firewood all day, and we threw our sleeping bags out on the tarp and immediately went to sleep under the stars. Maybe somebody on this forum can explain this. I was sound asleep and snapped awake about 2 in the morning, sat up in my sleeping bag, and looked straight ahead for about 100 feet. The moon had lit up the whole area, and I stared into the face of a Bigfoot that was silently peaking over a 4 ft diameter horizontal log directly at us. Was this luck or esp? I tried to wake up my friend Bill and he kept sleeping so I looked back at the bigfoot and it had disappeared. Read the rest on this report under Northwest encounters. I was so amazed at the sighting that I drew a sketch of what I saw and it's posted below. First look at my sketch below then it's up to you to make up your mind if I'm telling the truth or not. Now why did I snap awake at 2:00 in the morning when I was dead tired after cutting firewood all day long? if you want to check up on me then contact me and I will give you the phone number of my wood cutting partner and you can ask him about this.

 

Okay now NorCal welcome to the forum and let's settle down a little bit and give some of the old-time members some basic respect. Now can you guess how many posts it takes to have five gold stars under your name? Now this shows a dedicated member and researcher of Bigfoot who is serious about this endeavor. Now I feel bad for some of our members who have several gold stars, they remain active on the forum, and they have not had the good luck to see a Bigfoot. Some animals are so rare, far and few in between that some of the best field researchers may never see one, then along comes a novice researcher like me who sees a Bigfoot . I had another novice find one time. I was about 15, and we were staying and a very isolated cabin on the lower Rogue River, and I was digging up an old tire half buried in the gravel bar looking for blue-tailed skink lizards. Well out comes this rat that looks at me and then begins jumping up and down across the Gravel Bar like a kangaroo. After researching I found out just now that it's a rare and endangered species animal called the Tipton Kangaroo Rat.

 

Below is my sketch of the Sasquatch that I saw up my Prospect, Oregon. it looked to me like it was a young male Sasquatch that just stayed behind the log and watched us while we slept. When you think about it that was kind of spooky.

 

 

 

            

 

 

 

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