MIB Posted yesterday at 04:54 PM Moderator Posted yesterday at 04:54 PM 2 hours ago, georgerm said: When so many people report the same paranormal event happening over and over again, it begins to make a fact. Absolutely false. It as likely makes it copycat lies and/or shared mistakes in observation and interpretation.
Frisco85132 Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 3 hours ago, georgerm said: Hello Frisco and welcome to this thread and the forum in general. Around 1980 before I had any definite information on Bigfoot and all I knew about it was what the Patterson Gimlin film showed. Then one day my wood cutting partner and I went way up into the mountains by a little town called Prospect Oregon. The ground was flat and had large Douglas fir trees that covered the ground with forest and in between the trees there were 8 foot high bushes In a scattered formation with open clear areas. After wood cutting all day we threw our sleeping bags out in the open area and went to sleep for the night. Now during the night about two in the morning I had a paranormal experience with Bigfoot. Now I could call it telepathy or extrasensory perception Because I was sleeping soundly after a long day's work and a strange event was about to happen at 2:00 in the morning. At this time I snapped awake for no reason that I can think of and looked about 30 yards ahead into the face of a Bigfoot that was staring at my partner and I from behind a large fallen log. I have no explanation as to why I snapped awake at this time except for this paranormal experience. Hello Backdoc, and thank you for your comment and interest in this thread. Now if you read my reply just before this one, I explained a paranormal event that happened to me many years ago when I saw a Bigfoot that was watching us while we slept out under the stars. Since then, I've had other paranormal experiences that I attribute to Bigfoot such as vanishing during an observation. Many other people have reported paranormal experiences while observing Bigfoot. However, these same people that are probably woodsmen and spend much of time in the forest don't report paranormal activities with deer, bear, cougars, chipmunks and normal earth-bound creatures. Now I'm not stating this as a fact that Bigfoot is paranormal, but it's a theory. When so many people report the same paranormal event happening over and over again, it begins to make a fact. This hunch makes me wonder why Bigfoot is different from your normal earthbound animals such as bears Cougars deer world and many other animals that do not have reported paranormal behaviors. Now, if my theory is true how would Bigfoot get from a foreign planet to here? Do you spend a lot of time in the forest? Have you ever seen a Bigfoot? I don't see anything particularly "paranormal" in your waking up suddenly. Humans are still hardwired for survival and with a strong fight or flight reflex. A smell, or a pheromone, or any number of things could have alerted your "soundly sleeping" and "tired after a long days work" body that there was something amiss and awakened you. It could have been a noise your "soundly sleeping" consciousness didn't register but that part of your brain that is still working might have and awakened you. In the absence of anything else, your brain is now searching for an explanation and the only thing it could come up with was "woo" to fill in the gaps. I place zero credibility in the "woo" factor, none whatsoever. Sorry if that bothers you, but it's not my responsibility to participate in what I as a 27 year police veteran and current attorney consider to be "whimsical faux evidence lacking any scientific basis". Conversely, it's not your responsibility to change your mind because of my opinion. When I had my face to face, there were two days of very out of place vocalizations, building slaps, and disturbances in the tree line near our cabin before a very real, very physical, very zoological bigfoot stepped out in front of me at a distance of 10 yards and we stared at one another for 5-15 seconds before it broke to its left and went crashing through the thicket and pines. No "portal" opened up other than the one it created by physically busting through the brush. Call me old fashioned, but I place zero credibility in ANY paranormal, extraterrestrial, spiritual, ghost, or extradimensional connection to the phenomenon. Again, it's not my place or yours to change one another's mind but I am intellectually honest and won't compromise my conviction based on evidence to entertain what I consider to be delusion. 2
georgerm Posted 18 hours ago Author Posted 18 hours ago 5 hours ago, MIB said: Yes and yes. I've never seen any reason to believe they were paranormal. I've had them "disappear" but each time was sleight of hand .. misdirection of attention. It's like parlor magicians getting you to look where the trick is not so they can fool you. People too arrogant to realize they've been fooled or to accept that they can be fooled are the easiest to fool of all. I have experienced a few very weird things in the woods but there has been no particular reason to believe any of those have any direct connection to bigfoot. Some people try way too hard to turn everything into bigfoot. They're to be recognized, then dismissed .. not to be taken seriously. "I have experienced a few very weird things in the woods...," said MIB. Can you tell us of these weird things in the woods? I have a few more incidents to write on. How do you not take Bigfoot seriously when you go into the woods and know that they can take you out about anytime they want. They hold back for some reason or they are too rare to be a danger.
georgerm Posted 18 hours ago Author Posted 18 hours ago 5 hours ago, MIB said: Absolutely false. It as likely makes it copycat lies and/or shared mistakes in observation and interpretation. The fact part depends how well the person describes the incidents and pays attention to little details that only real observers pick up on. You have to be a critical listener. At about two in the morning, I had a middle age Bigfoot staring at me while I slept, and it could have sent out a telepathic message for me to wake up. I woke up and stared into its eyes as it crouched behind a fallen log a 150 feet away from me. For some reason I was not scared and was interested in what the animal was thinking and doing. When I turned away from seeing the Bigfoot and reached over to wake my friend Bill up this Sasquatch slipped away without a sound. It could have sent me A false message of peace and was really hungry and debating on how it was gonna take one of us out.
georgerm Posted 18 hours ago Author Posted 18 hours ago (edited) 5 hours ago, Frisco85132 said: I don't see anything particularly "paranormal" in your waking up suddenly. TELEPATHIC COMMUNICATION IS CONSIDERED PARANORMAL Humans are still hardwired for survival and with a strong fight or flight reflex. A smell, or a pheromone, or any number of things could have alerted your "soundly sleeping" and "tired after a long days work" body that there was something amiss and awakened you. It could have been a noise your "soundly sleeping" consciousness didn't register but that part of your brain that is still working might have and awakened you. AGREED In the absence of anything else, your brain is now searching for an explanation and the only thing it could come up with was "woo" to fill in the gaps. I place zero credibility in the "woo" factor, none whatsoever. TELEPATHIC COMMUNICATION IS PARANORMAL Sorry if that bothers you, but it's not my responsibility to participate in what I as a 27 year police veteran Thank you very much for your service and current attornEy consider to be "whimsical faux evidence lacking any scientific basis". Well I've heard of many good police officers that have depended on a hunch which directed them to the truth. Conversely, it's not your responsibility to change your mind because of my opinion. I really appreciate your tough questioning because that's what I expect when I make a claim as I have. I'm not trying to gain notoriety. I'm just trying to explain how I felt, and I was surprised because I wasn't fearful. Maybe this was a hopeful illusion. When I had my face to face, there were two days of very out of place vocalizations, building slaps, and disturbances in the tree line near our cabin before a very real, very physical, very zoological bigfoot stepped out in front of me at a distance of 10 yards and we stared at one another for 5-15 seconds before it broke to its left and went crashing through the thicket and pines. No "portal" opened up other than the one it created by physically busting through the brush. Call me old fashioned, but I place zero credibility in ANY paranormal, Let's not get carried away 'cause I get your point and not all sightings have paranormal aspects to them such as yours extraterrestrial, spiritual, ghost, or extradimensional connection to the phenomenon. Let's not get too dramatical and over exaggerating 'cause it detracts from the discussion that we're having. Again, it's not my place or yours to change one another's mind but I am intellectually honest and won't compromise my conviction based on evidence to entertain what I consider to be delusion. Looking into the eyes of Bigfoot in the middle of the night Is not delusional but the most real reality that you can ever experience in your life so don't discount what I've seen. Edited 18 hours ago by georgerm 1
Frisco85132 Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 4 minutes ago, georgerm said: As I said...I am not trying to convince YOU of anything as it seems you are trying really hard to convince ME, based upon your "feelings" that I should also "feel" the same "feelings" you "feel" about what you "felt" surrounding your alleged encounter. As I said, you do you boo....have fun in the woo, but don't try to ascribe anything such as "drama" and "over exaggeration" to my lack of conviction in your emotional argument. I don't play in that sandbox. I don't doubt you BELIEVE your encounter is as you describe. 1
NathanFooter Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 8 hours ago, MIB said: Yes and yes. I've never seen any reason to believe they were paranormal. I've had them "disappear" but each time was sleight of hand .. misdirection of attention. It's like parlor magicians getting you to look where the trick is not so they can fool you. People too arrogant to realize they've been fooled or to accept that they can be fooled are the easiest to fool of all. I have experienced a few very weird things in the woods but there has been no particular reason to believe any of those have any direct connection to bigfoot. Some people try way too hard to turn everything into bigfoot. They're to be recognized, then dismissed .. not to be taken seriously. This is 100% the case, human perception is much worse than we want to admit. I have interviewed many ( well over 200 people in person, one on one ) people and spent the time to try and gain an understanding of how " witnesses " interrupt an experience, many times there is massive gaps in the understanding of the situation when returning to a event location and also compounding effects of both the psychological impact in the moment and lower intelligence individuals that frequently submit a large volume of the reports. The short version is humans are terribly unreliable and add stress, low discernment and a desire to have status or experiences and this clearly shows what is going on. I will say it is a possibility that some events are demonic influences messing with people by playing into their fantasy or fascinations but the data over time does not suggest the species in reality is paranormal. The paranormal groups have the absolute lowest quality of evidence to back their claims over time and actually use the paranormal angle to absolve their failures and on the inverse the people ( not many of us left ) just following data and using actually biological patterning practices have a very strong base of information and methods that still yield results. We overestimate our perception and underestimate the Sasquatch. 2
georgerm Posted 14 hours ago Author Posted 14 hours ago 22 minutes ago, NathanFooter said: This is 100% the case, human perception is much worse than we want to admit. I have interviewed many ( well over 200 people in person, one on one )WERE THESE PEOPLE BIGFOOT EYE WITNESSES? people and spent the time to try and gain an understanding of how " witnesses " interrupt an experience, many times there is massive gaps in the understanding of the situation when returning to a event location and also compounding effects of both the psychological impactTALKING ABOUT PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPACT...............I CAN REVISUALIZE AS IF MY SIGHTING LIKE IT HAPPENED LAST WEEK WHEN IT HAPPENED AROUND 1980 in the moment and lower intelligence individuals that frequently submit a large volume of the reports. The short version is humans are terribly unreliable and add stress, low discernment and a desire to have status WHAT PERCENT or experiences and this clearly shows what is going on. I will say it is a possibility that some events are demonic influences messing with peopleSTRANGE YOU TALK ABOUT DEMONIC...........LOOK UP NEPHILIM by playing into their fantasy or fascinations but the data over time does not suggest the species in reality is paranormal. SOME RESEARCHERS HAVE FOLLOWED SASQUATCH TRACKS IN THE SNOW FOR GREAT DISTANCES AND THE TRACKS SUDDENLY END WHILE THE SNOW REMAINS DEEP. SEE IF YOU CAN FIND A REPORT ON BFRO. The paranormal groups have the absolute lowest quality of evidenceI AGREE AND ONE HAS TO KNOW THE CHARACTER OF THE WITNESS to back their claims over time and actually use the paranormal angle to absolve their failures IF YOU SEE PARANORMAL, REPORT IT and on the inverse the people ( not many of us left ) just following data and using actually biological patterning practices have a very strong base of information and methods that still yield results. We overestimate our perception and underestimate the Sasquatch. NICE TALKING WITH YOU....................PRETTY SMART GUY!
MIB Posted 14 hours ago Moderator Posted 14 hours ago 13 hours ago, georgerm said: MIB I realize the difference between observations and determining a fact. You say that you have your own experiences and can you tell us more about what you experienced? I have, here, multiple times. If you actually want to know, it's here to read. Find it, read it, then get back to me if you have questions. I'm tired of typing the same thing over and over and over.
georgerm Posted 2 hours ago Author Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 15 hours ago, Frisco85132 said: As I said...I am not trying to convince YOU of anything as it seems you are trying really hard to convince ME, based upon your "feelings" that I should also "feel" the same "feelings" you "feel" about what you "felt" surrounding your alleged encounter. As I said, you do you boo....have fun in the woo, but don't try to ascribe anything such as "drama" and "over exaggeration" to my lack of conviction in your emotional argument. I don't play in that sandbox. I don't doubt you BELIEVE your encounter is as you describe. Hello again Frisco and I hope we can have a civil discussion about this topic. I realize there are very few facts that support this outrageous theory of Bigfoot not evolving on the planet Earth. However, a nonexistent fossil record allows a theory like this to surface. There's no recent fossil record of any Bigfoot living on any of the temperate continents In the last 10,000 years. However, China has a Bigfoot fossil record dating back to 200,000 years when a 10 foot tall and 800 pound Bigfoot lived on the continent of China and not on every temperate continent as Bigfoot does today. This ancient Bigfoot is known as Gigantopithecus blackie, and its fossil record dates as far back as 2 million years then it became extinct around 200,000 years ago. So how did Bigfoot suddenly pop up on the planet? The question is do we have a definite recent fossil record of Bigfoot living on all of the continent? No. How did this primate suddenly evolve and appear on all the continents with no confirmed fossil records? The past history of Bigfoot is in question and other theories should be discussed and as time goes by, maybe more facts will surface that will support this outrageous theory. Isn't this how police work evolves when you have an accused criminal and few facts so you have to develop theories and wait untill the facts stack up behind one theory or another. Now in the case of Bigfoot, I realized we are not going to have enough facts to support this theory but professional protocol demands a thorough evaluation of all probable theories. Many times there are not enough facts to back a theory so the criminal goes free or Bigfoot's history remains unproven. Let's have fun with this serious topic. Edited 2 hours ago by georgerm more detail
Backdoc Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago On 10/5/2025 at 9:11 AM, georgerm said: Hello Backdoc, and thank you for your comment and interest in this thread. Now if you read my reply just before this one, I explained a paranormal event that happened to me many years ago when I saw a Bigfoot that was watching us while we slept out under the stars If I understand correctly, you are saying 1) You saw Bigfoot. 2) While you were seeing Bigfoot you separately had a paranormal experience. You noticed Bigfoot watching you "under the stars". Obviously, this was a night in order to be under the stars. Did you try to take out a cell phone and get any pic or audio. At night this would be pretty hard, I guess. But in order to know it was bigfoot you would have to see bigfoot. If bigfoot could be seen with the naked eye it would seem to me someone could/would try to video the thing. Meanwhile, can you define specially what was that "paranormal experience". On 10/5/2025 at 9:11 AM, georgerm said: Since then, I've had other paranormal experiences that I attribute to Bigfoot such as vanishing during an observation. Many other people have reported paranormal experiences while observing Bigfoot. How many people does "Many people" make up I am not trying to give you a hard time. If you say you saw Bigfoot then you saw something you think if Bigfoot. It could have been Bigfoot. If you saw it clearly there is a better chance you got your report right. If you didn't, it makes it harder to be accurate.
Backdoc Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago On 10/3/2025 at 7:18 PM, georgerm said: There is a good chance that Bigfoot did not evolve on Planet Earth. Chance is really just saying 'probability'. If bigfoot exists, why does it have to come from somewhere other than the same sources everything else came from on earth? Why would bigfoot be unique in that way? Is bigfoot really ET? Isn't the 'good chance' that Bigfoot would be either a human-like ape or an ape-like human in the course of our normal development? For Bigfoot to exist it doesn't require any other outstanding ingredients other than that. It always seems to me when people jump the shark on this Bigfoot-isn't-from-planet-earth it is because their belief in some other things like Bigfoot, government conspiracies, Chariots of the Gods, and so on to mix in with their Bigfoot thinking. I'll await your explanation if you feel like chiming in. Still even a hail Mary idea can be right every once in a while. If we want to know what is mostly likely: Bigfoot appeared along the normal developing pathways of man and ape branches.
NorCalWitness Posted 4 minutes ago Posted 4 minutes ago To the OP - the tide is turning and people are starting to accept that there could be more to this phenomenon than previously thought. In the past, this thread would have been moved to another board and discussion would have been silenced. At least now people are willing to talk without banning the content from the board. It is a slow march.
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