NorCalWitness Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, Incorrigible1 said: And you castigated me for pointing out this belongs in the Paranormal section? Heh! Not sure how me pointing out a clear contradiction in logic has anything to do with me saying we should be able to discuss these topics. Please explain.
Incorrigible1 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 14 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: Not sure how me pointing out a clear contradiction in logic has anything to do with me saying we should be able to discuss these topics. Please explain. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck...... 1
NorCalWitness Posted 41 minutes ago Posted 41 minutes ago 29 minutes ago, Incorrigible1 said: Walks like a duck, talks like a duck...... My point is that you can't dismiss the witness reports of paranormal outright while validating religious context of the phenomenon. That doesn't have anything to do with my point to you in my previous post that this is a huge part of the subject matter today and that denying conversation around it in the main forum is not great. None of this makes me a hypocrite. If you have a different view of it, please explain your stance rather than casting aspersions on me.
Incorrigible1 Posted 25 minutes ago Posted 25 minutes ago (edited) 15 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: My point is that you can't dismiss the witness reports of paranormal outright while validating religious context of the phenomenon. That doesn't have anything to do with my point to you in my previous post that this is a huge part of the subject matter today and that denying conversation around it in the main forum is not great. None of this makes me a hypocrite. If you have a different view of it, please explain your stance rather than casting aspersions on me. You're somehow against discussing bigfoot/paranormal phenomena in the designated Paranormal section? Edited 25 minutes ago by Incorrigible1
NorCalWitness Posted 18 minutes ago Posted 18 minutes ago 6 minutes ago, Incorrigible1 said: You're somehow against discussing bigfoot/paranormal phenomena in the designated Paranormal section? its a dead section of the forum and this topic isn't fringe anymore. More eyes = more opinions = better learning opportunity for me.
NathanFooter Posted 13 minutes ago Posted 13 minutes ago 6 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: I’ve got to point out the glaring contradiction in your logic. You dismiss the “woo crowd” for entertaining anything paranormal, yet in the same breath you carve out 5% of reports as the work of demonic forces. That’s not skepticism — that’s selective belief. You’re comfortable invoking the Book of Enoch and Nephilim because it fits your personal worldview, but the moment someone mentions interdimensional or energetic phenomena, you call them mentally unstable. You’ve just swapped one kind of “woo” for another. If you’re going to treat demons as a legitimate explanatory category — invisible, nonphysical, and spiritual — then by your own logic, you’ve already opened the door to the paranormal. You can’t reject others for walking through it. The difference isn’t evidence; it’s bias. You believe your supernatural framework is valid because it aligns with your theology, while others’ are dismissed because they don’t. That’s not critical thinking; that’s dogma wearing a skeptic’s mask. You can’t have it both ways. Either stay fully in the empirical lane and reject all paranormal claims equally — or admit that you’re just choosing which mysteries feel most comfortable to believe in. You need to read more carefully and not assume so much. Entertaining the possibility is different the driving claims as fact with no evidence, the woo/paranormal group overwhelming do this and present nothing. From the east to the west, every conference puts it on display and is it pathetic. I reject claims that have no evidence. I clearly defined the types of individuals and the natures of failed capacities and even how they get there. This is all well documented in psychological evaluation in every field imaginable. I shared my findings across the fields of character ( HINT- it does not stop with just bigfoot, the instability is all over their lives and how they interact ) and then overlayed with evidence provided by each category. So sorry to inform you that on average paranormal claims fall apart under scrutiny and instead show human failure and bias. Normal sane people don't show me 25 photos of lens flares and dust and call them Sasquatch orbs or tell me they had a hair sample tested and it came back " Bipedal ". lol. I made no definitive claim regarding the demonic aspect, I made room as a possibility for a portion of the dataset and then clearly explained that it would be an imposter as the data sources contradict each other on basic levels. I do happen to have a personal belief that a fraction of the claims are true in the sense that something extraordinary is generating some of the events and that the evidence is strong enough to provide it a measure in percentage. My statement is the majority of the woo groups are way out of touch, mentally undisciplined or unable to perceive things accurately and therefore like to report 1147 sick glyphs a year, daily telepathic messages and 150 red circle photos of Sasquatch turning into a tree. Out of all the paranormal claims, the claim that Demons exist and have a nature is the least disputed and has loads of evidential volume, so spare me the label. The claim that Sasquatches are a paranormal phenomena provides no convincing information across time and instead fall mostly into a clear bell curve of human fallibility. There is nothing wrong will examining the paranormal aspect but when one world builds on it with heavy significance with zero good information, you become a fool at the least. It is not even close to contradiction to say that most paranormal stuff is a load of crap generated by dysfunctional people, it is rampant in this subject. It is not about comfort it is about the measure of evidence so I will continue to stay exactly where I am on this.
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