Do Bigfoots that are Injured, or too old Hunt Dangerous?

[norseman]

Let’s leave the supernatural talk for the supernatural section please! Thanks!

 

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[Incorrigible1]

9 hours ago, Frisco85132 said:

Well if one accepts the ridiculous notion that Bigfoot is a "woopernatural" space monkey....then I think one should also accept the notion that they would dematerialize/vibrate to a different frequency of matter/jump into a portal/float off on an orb, or simply allow the projectile(s) to pass through them ala Kitty Whatzername from X-Men long before a bullet, slug, or load of buckshot hit them, so the choice of caliber is moot.

If, however, on the other hand, you are one who disregards the woopidity and accepts the very real possibility that they are, in fact, an apex predatory omnivore or an opportunistic omnivore with at least the ability to harvest mammal or pescatarian protein when it's convenient...then the possibility remains that they will ****** a hairless tool using ape such as a human if it is low risk high reward.  

As for a firearm, I carry a Glock 20 in 10mm with Buffalo Bore Big Game ammo when I am out in the field for ANY reason, whether I am hunting deer or fishing.  Less because I think Bigfoot is going to prey on me, though I allow for the possibility, but more for the very real possibility that a black bear with a ****** attitude and general disposition may want to nibble on my ass.  If "attacked" by a Bigfoot, the reality is that you're probably going to be dead before you knew an attack was coming because it's probably going to be from ambuscade and done by the Grand Master Gold Medalist Hide And Seek Champion of the world. 

BUT...the Ape Canyon account tells us that one was shot and fell into a gorge, and when the miners were allegedly attacked, they used their rifles and shotguns to drive the "Mountain Devils" away, so there is a presumption that guns DO have an effect on them and they won't "woo away on a moonbeam".  Hell, even if you believe Justin Smeja killed not one, but two mind ya, TWO of them....then...the possibility that guns work on them like any other biological critter remains.

Now, the bad news....the ONLY way that any firearm would be of ANY value is if you have at least a little warning, and even then, 99% of gun owners are barely competent to carry a gun and not shoot themselves in the foot on a range, let alone during an adrenaline dump facing a dangerous animal charge/attack.  Over 27 years as a police officer having to review literally hundreds of videos of person to person gun fights from stores, etc....the probability of emptying your gun concurrently with your bladder and bowels are about the same while missing every shot.  Sorry if the truth hurts...buuuuuut...there it is.  Most people survive because they were the luckiest and least incompetent combatant.

When in a dynamic critical incident, you will ALWAYS default to your level of training and as the extreme vast majority of gun owners don't get ANY training beyond MAYBE a hunter safety class, or a CCW class taught by Joe The Tactical Plumber, then the default will be "draw gun, **** pants, miss target, panic, empty magazine or cylinder, scream like a chick".  Generally lifelong hunters who don't get "buck fever" are exempt from this, trained competitive shooters, or prior military with combat arms/deployment MOS are fairly stress inoculated too, but it also depends upon keeping up with training.  I have been in several critical incidents during my career where other officers who were not "gun people" who placed a high value on training were next to useless in a gun fight, so I am not ******** on John Average Gun Carrier.  I am ******** on other cops too.

But....It's not ALL bad news even for the 99% who are a danger to their own feet in a high stress situation.  Based upon not only my own face to face encounter were I am convinced that the revelation of my pistol is what caused the one I was staring at to flee, there have been other encounters where the BF/SQ took off when the presence of a firearm was discovered...so I believe, based upon this, that a visible firearm probably has a deterrent effect.  So, if I were part of the 99%, I'd carry a 12 gauge shotgun or a big old hawg leg in a hip holster so it could be seen as a deterrent to a hungry, opportunistic BF/SQ.

 

 

Am enjoying retirement now, but I managed three different retail gun stores over the years. If you wish to make generalizations, I can state that all too frequently the firearms that came into the shops that were the most poorly maintained (dirty, worn parts, questionable functioning) were from our LEO customer base.

[Frisco85132]

5 minutes ago, Incorrigible1 said:

 

Am enjoying retirement now, but I managed three different retail gun stores over the years. If you wish to make generalizations, I can state that all too frequently the firearms that came into the shops that were the most poorly maintained (dirty, worn parts, questionable functioning) were from our LEO customer base.

And?  What's your point?  If you read what I wrote, you would also see that I included LEOs in my statement.  I speak from experience as a 27 year police veteran and actual shooter with over 30 years in USPSA, IDPA, ISPC, 3Gun, and PPC.  Armorer, custom gun builder and trainer at not one, but two academies.  So, I am not speaking from inexperience or ignorance.  Yay, you got to put your two cents in.  Add another five bucks and you can get yourself a latte...but the fact remains that the extreme vast majority of gun owners are woefully ignorant of their safe handling, let alone competent to mount a defense in a dynamic critical incident.  I am 110% PRO 2A and don't even believe any state or municipality has the authority to regulate ownership or carry...in a free society the burden lies on the citizen, but the fact remains that people simply make the choice NOT to get training, choose NOT to practice what they learned in training, and make the choice NOT to gain any level of competence.

How many post critical incident videos have you had to professionally evaluate for either prosecution or defense?  How many dynamic critical incidents have YOU been involved in?  How many times have you had to sit through tens of dozens of hours of post critical incident testimony or deposition?  How many times have you sat in a courtroom as an expert witness, or as a consulting attorney for other attorneys in self defense cases?  And finally, how many books have YOU written on self defense law, techniques, and post critical incident survival that have been court recognized and accepted? (For me, so far it's TWO of those).  How many CLEs (Continuing Legal Education) have YOU written and delivered to other attorneys after you retired from LE and went to law school?  (For me....nearly a dozen written with ten times that delivered).  So yay....you ran a gun shop.  Good goobledy goo for you, but don't pretend doing your chicken dance from behind a retail counter and not on the range or in a courtroom and dropping a faux anecdote about poorly maintained weapons coming from LEOs is anything less than mouth waddling because of personal hubris.

[BC witness]

Careful, Frisco85132, that's an attack on the poster, not on the argument. 

[Incorrigible1]

3 hours ago, Frisco85132 said:

And?  What's your point?  If you read what I wrote, you would also see that I included LEOs in my statement.  I speak from experience as a 27 year police veteran and actual shooter with over 30 years in USPSA, IDPA, ISPC, 3Gun, and PPC.  Armorer, custom gun builder and trainer at not one, but two academies.  So, I am not speaking from inexperience or ignorance.  Yay, you got to put your two cents in.  Add another five bucks and you can get yourself a latte...but the fact remains that the extreme vast majority of gun owners are woefully ignorant of their safe handling, let alone competent to mount a defense in a dynamic critical incident.  I am 110% PRO 2A and don't even believe any state or municipality has the authority to regulate ownership or carry...in a free society the burden lies on the citizen, but the fact remains that people simply make the choice NOT to get training, choose NOT to practice what they learned in training, and make the choice NOT to gain any level of competence.

How many post critical incident videos have you had to professionally evaluate for either prosecution or defense?  How many dynamic critical incidents have YOU been involved in?  How many times have you had to sit through tens of dozens of hours of post critical incident testimony or deposition?  How many times have you sat in a courtroom as an expert witness, or as a consulting attorney for other attorneys in self defense cases?  And finally, how many books have YOU written on self defense law, techniques, and post critical incident survival that have been court recognized and accepted? (For me, so far it's TWO of those).  How many CLEs (Continuing Legal Education) have YOU written and delivered to other attorneys after you retired from LE and went to law school?  (For me....nearly a dozen written with ten times that delivered).  So yay....you ran a gun shop.  Good goobledy goo for you, but don't pretend doing your chicken dance from behind a retail counter and not on the range or in a courtroom and dropping a faux anecdote about poorly maintained weapons coming from LEOs is anything less than mouth waddling because of personal hubris.

 

Whoa, loose cannon detected.

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, Incorrigible1 said:

Whoa, loose cannon detected.

He might have been a cop in San Francisco. In that case, frustration should be expected. Maybe his avatar should have been Dirty Harry Callahan?

[Incorrigible1]

20 minutes ago, Huntster said:

He might have been a cop in San Francisco. In that case, frustration should be expected. Maybe his avatar should have been Dirty Harry Callahan?

 

Won't work. Callahan had charisma. 

[norseman]

As gun owners? We are all family here and should not be fighting amongst ourselves. 
 

Frisco’s statement reminds me of the Kehoe brothers shoot out with Ohio SP. No one was hit.

 

It stands out because the Kehoe brothers were from north of Colville Wa. Brainwashed kids living in the woods. Either way real stress is tough to simulate. I was on the fire dept for 17 years and was a training officer and training certainly helps. But no one and I mean no one actually knows how they are gonna react in a life and death situation until it happens to them. Some get back in the saddle and some don’t.

 

 

[Huntster]

11 minutes ago, Incorrigible1 said:

.........Callahan had charisma. 

Like the elevator scene in Sudden Impact?

 

He was scary.

[georgerm]

6 hours ago, norseman said:

Let’s leave the supernatural talk for the supernatural section please! Thanks!

 

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[norseman]

1 hour ago, georgerm said:

Who is this for?

This whole thread.