Backdoc Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 7 hours ago, MIB said: And a total lack of personal experience. I have had zero personal experience with a society of Bigfeet who bury their dead and have high order of human characteristics. Bob Gimlin didn’t either. Neither did Roger Patterson. They did both have one more experience than I have.
Huntster Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 8 hours ago, Backdoc said: I have had zero personal experience with a society of Bigfeet who bury their dead and have high order of human characteristics. Bob Gimlin didn’t either. Neither did Roger Patterson. They did both have one more experience than I have. If sasquatches exist, the Patterson/Gimlin experience of a surprised sasquatch walking away is not going to be the only kind of sasquatch/man experience to occur. While you are free to limit your own interest in the subject to the PG experience, others might wish to discuss other testimony or evidence, which might be described as the "best evidence" we have, even if it is not proof of anything. Another thought on kidnapping is that there is PROOF (ie, better than "best evidence") that other species will actually raise baby humans to adulthood. The Zana story forced me to invest just a bit of thought into the phenomenon of feral humans, and the fact that such species as wolves, domestic dogs, monkeys, gazelles, bears, sheep, and goats blew my mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child The feral human phenomenon is a huge part of this "wild man" field in many ways. That includes misidentification of wild Homo sapiens as another species, and sasquatches (or almastys) possibly kidnapping Homo sapiens for various reasons.
Backdoc Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 27 minutes ago, Huntster said: If sasquatches exist, the Patterson/Gimlin experience of a surprised sasquatch walking away is not going to be the only kind of sasquatch/man experience to occur. While you are free to limit your own interest in the subject to the PG experience, others might wish to discuss other testimony or evidence, which might be described as the "best evidence" we have, even if it is not proof of anything. Discuss away. No problem here. I will still await MIB's best evidence since he made the claim and I will consider it when or if presented. I don't think it is right for anyone else to feel the need to try to explain what they think he means or think he was getting at. He can do that if he wishes. If not, no biggie. 27 minutes ago, Huntster said: Another thought on kidnapping is that there is PROOF (ie, better than "best evidence") that other species will actually raise baby humans to adulthood. The Zana story forced me to invest just a bit of thought into the phenomenon of feral humans, and the fact that such species as wolves, domestic dogs, monkeys, gazelles, bears, sheep, and goats blew my mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child The feral human phenomenon is a huge part of this "wild man" field in many ways. That includes misidentification of wild Homo sapiens as another species, and sasquatches (or almastys) possibly kidnapping Homo sapiens for various reasons. When someone is lost in the woods: They died in the elements > They went tribal with Bigfoot. Wild man stories are true in some cases and sensationalism in others. Even then, they don't tell us a lot about bigfoot specially. I am not saying they don't tell us some amazing happenings sometimes challenging our assumptions. We need to be cautious. Anyone one of us can want something to be true so much we lose our objectivity. I have read where Roger Patterson was dumped in a couple of cases where others claimed they had Bigfoot in a cage in a cave or monastery in Tibet. Roger wasted his last money and time on earth trying to find that Bigfoot lead. We all have a viewpoint about Bigfoot. We need to be careful we don't read too much into what we wish to believe.
norseman Posted 5 hours ago Admin Posted 5 hours ago 25 minutes ago, Backdoc said: Discuss away. No problem here. I will still await MIB's best evidence since he made the claim and I will consider it when or if presented. I don't think it is right for anyone else to feel the need to try to explain what they think he means or think he was getting at. He can do that if he wishes. If not, no biggie. When someone is lost in the woods: They died in the elements > They went tribal with Bigfoot. Wild man stories are true in some cases and sensationalism in others. Even then, they don't tell us a lot about bigfoot specially. I am not saying they don't tell us some amazing happenings sometimes challenging our assumptions. We need to be cautious. Anyone one of us can want something to be true so much we lose our objectivity. I have read where Roger Patterson was dumped in a couple of cases where others claimed they had Bigfoot in a cage in a cave or monastery in Tibet. Roger wasted his last money and time on earth trying to find that Bigfoot lead. We all have a viewpoint about Bigfoot. We need to be careful we don't read too much into what we wish to believe. The best evidence that Bigfeet can be found in groups is the Olympic Project nesting site. In one case they found like 8-9 nests all together on a bench. Assuming 1 Sasquatch per 1 nest? Yah that’s a group.
Huntster Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 34 minutes ago, Backdoc said: .........When someone is lost in the woods: They died in the elements > They went tribal with Bigfoot........... Why is this so difficult for you? Not everybody who is "lost in the woods" dies. Some return. I've already posted a reference. I'll do so again here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child
Backdoc Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, norseman said: The best evidence that Bigfeet can be found in groups is the Olympic Project nesting site. In one case they found like 8-9 nests all together on a bench. Assuming 1 Sasquatch per 1 nest? Yah that’s a group. My dog can’t sit on my couch without leaving hair everywhere. Our too-costly vacuum is challenged from our need to vacuum hair nearly daily. If you are aware, was hair found in the nest and was it tested? I would expect it should be in everyone of these nests. With that many, at least one.
Backdoc Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, Huntster said: Why is this so difficult for you? Not everybody who is "lost in the woods" dies. Some return. I've already posted a reference. I'll do so again here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child Not difficult at all. I made one point about one part of people getting lost in the woods and not coming back. I hope you would actually agree with me when this happens (and they often find a body) it’s extremely less likely to be due to Bigfoot. I wasn’t trying to cover each and every point on this subject. On the point you bring up I am aware people get lost in the woods and return from getting kidnapped, run away from home and so on. If someone claims they were kidnapped by Bigfoot such a story should get as much scrutiny than if they claimed they were attacked by a hiker, kidnapped, and robbed. Do you really think I’m not aware of this? If you find comfort in your tribal Bigfoot society belief because of incidence of wild boys that’s fine with me. I just don’t see it that way. I haven’t suddenly become aware these incidents of wild boys are out there. Every kid in 7th grade in my town studied about a boy later called Victor. That was the first of many times this type of subject came up. Its still a “So what” as it relates to tribes of bigfeet for me. I don’t know what you hope to achieve here. I am pretty aware of what you are getting at. I just don’t see it your way. On other issues we probably couldn’t be more in agreement. Just not this one. Edited 3 hours ago by Backdoc
norseman Posted 1 hour ago Admin Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, Backdoc said: My dog can’t sit on my couch without leaving hair everywhere. Our too-costly vacuum is challenged from our need to vacuum hair nearly daily. If you are aware, was hair found in the nest and was it tested? I would expect it should be in everyone of these nests. With that many, at least one. I don't allow animals in my house. Problem solved. 🤣 Hairs have been found. But they lack a medulla. So DNA cannot be drawn from them evidently. All I can say as a 55 year old woodsman? Ive never seen nests that big constructed by something with hands. Ever. But they look remarkably similar to Gorilla nests.
Huntster Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, Backdoc said: ......On the point you bring up I am aware people get lost in the woods and return from getting kidnapped, run away from home and so on. If someone claims they were kidnapped by Bigfoot such a story should get as much scrutiny than if they claimed they were attacked by a hiker, kidnapped, and robbed. Do you really think I’m not aware of this?........ I wasn't sure, but you've made it quite clear now, and I thank you for that.
Backdoc Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 26 minutes ago, norseman said: I don't allow animals in my house. Problem solved. 🤣 Hairs have been found. But they lack a medulla. So DNA cannot be drawn from them evidently. All I can say as a 55 year old woodsman? Ive never seen nests that big constructed by something with hands. Ever. But they look remarkably similar to Gorilla nests. Still hoping for some DNA breakthrough at least enough where a few marginal skeptics might call promising. Too bad on the hair that was found. At least they tried. Bigfoot would have to rest and sleep somewhere. A nest makes more sense than other options. I’m not a fan of the Skookum Casts. Right off the bat it looked like a reach to me. (I think it has been disproven as being related to Bigfoot and more of a kneeling antelope or deer). I just don’t want to get int to a similar situation with this Nest issue. Is it possible there are a lot of other possibilities? Still the nest makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately the term nest makes bigfoot seem silly when we might mean bedding or some other term. Most people think of a nest as a bird in the tree. I wish there was a better term to use. Thanks for sharing. Edited 1 hour ago by Backdoc
Huntster Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago https://sasquatchthelegend.com/blogs/latest-news/where-sasquatch-sleeps?srsltid=AfmBOooKa1nOZA93uXdyPArGkU3_TSclrp_JpfmnLaYcNhfsLHHUo9dN Quote .......... In his book, Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us, John Green interviewed Albert Ostman, a Canadian outdoorsman who claimed to have been picked up and carried away by a Sasquatch while sleeping in his sleeping bag near Toba Inlet, British Columbia, in 1924. Ostman’s story is an absolutely fascinating one (here’s a link to an online version of the Ostman story) and includes a description of the living and sleeping quarters of a Sasquatch family. “I noticed where these people were sleeping. On the east side of this valley was a shelf in the mountainside, with overhanging rock, looking something like a big undercut in a big tree about ten feet deep and thirty feet wide. The floor was covered with lots of dry moss, and the had some kind of blankets woven of narrow strips of cedar bark, packed with dry moss. They looked very practical and warm—with no need of washing” (Green, p. 105)..........
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