Science needs facts before so called animals like bigfoot are considered to be real or simply proven to exist.

[georgerm]

 

 

 

 

The U.S. Forest Service defines Bigfoot as a 'mythical creature' meaning it does not fit anywhere in the animal world but seems to fit with cartoon characters. Now some animals climb the ladder before they are classified as a real animal. For many creatures before this status was realized there were ten steps before an animal was considered real or a recognized species. One of the first steps to becoming a recognized species are sightings that are reported to those in charge of animal science. As sighting reports pile up more credibility is given to the animal, but it remains on lower steps of the ten steps required before the animal is granted species status.

 

Later footprints are cast which puts the creature on higher steps then a top trusted scientist observes the creature and its level is boosted higher on that path to discovery. Later hair, more scientist observe it, and then motion picture evidence is brought in and the creature reaches higher up on the ladder of discovery which is now more difficult due to artificial intelligence or AI. Does artificial intelligence which raised the bar on photographic evidence. Possibly some creatures have reached step 9, yet a body or living speciment has not been brought in so it stays on step 9. When we put bigfoot on this ladder, a huge percentage of scientist with higher degrees in zoology agree that bigfoot is on what step? What's your opinion? What step do most credited biologist place bigfoot? What step do you place bigfoot and why?

[Backdoc]

There are some who view the government as all powerful involved in each and every conspiracy.   This thinking virtually demands somehow the “Forrest service” knows all about Bigfoot and is keeping it quiet.   Those who believe this may offer reasonable ideas such as lying to keep people from shooting each other.    Then there are the “ Jump the shark” ideas.   Use your imagination.   
 

 

The truth is likely the forrest service just adopts the view of science itself.  That is, Bigfoot is just not proven to exist.  Such a viewpoint is not controversial and requires no special power or giant government conspiracy.  
 

on top of that I really doubt the forrest service has an official position on many subjects.   The thunderbird, giant snakes, and so on.  They would just correctly reiterate the present general consensus of science.

 

where does one go to get an official position?   Is there a book of official positions in the congressional record or something?  
 

 

[georgerm]

12 hours ago, Backdoc said:

There are some who view the government as all powerful involved in each and every conspiracy.   This thinking virtually demands somehow the “Forrest service” knows all about Bigfoot and is keeping it quiet.   Those who believe this may offer reasonable ideas such as lying to keep people from shooting each other.    Then there are the “ Jump the shark” ideas.   Use your imagination.   
 

 

The truth is likely the forrest service just adopts the view of science itself.  That is, Bigfoot is just not proven to exist.  Such a viewpoint is not controversial and requires no special power or giant government conspiracy.  
 

on top of that I really doubt the forrest service has an official position on many subjects.   The thunderbird, giant snakes, and so on.  They would just correctly reiterate the present general consensus of science.

 

 

 

The forest service also known as the USFS deals with timber production and a variety of other uses such a recreation, grazing and mining. Bigfoot lives in timberlands and other types of USFS lands so anything that effects timber production is of prime concern to the USFS. We have seen what happens when animals are designated as endangered species where timber production, grazing, and mining can be hampered by strict land use regulations. It so happens bigfoot has been reported to live where there is timber production, grazing and many other uses the forest service manages. The forest service has top wildlife biologist that are hired to make sure wildlife and human uses of forest service lands are compatible. It appears to me that these USFS biologist have been silenced since we hear nothing that puts bigfoot on the one to ten scale of proof of existence scale. Bigfoot is not even on step one but thrown into the mythical creature category along with Mickey Mouse. Much of bigfoot proof seems to be coming from people not connected to the USFS, such as hikers, sportsmen, loggers, and private bigfoot researchers. What can be done so forest service land uses are kept intact and proof of bigfoot remains on a honest proof of existence course? Can logging, grazing, and mining be compatible with bigfoot living among resource uses?

 

 

[Huntster]

14 hours ago, Backdoc said:

.........The truth is likely the forrest service just adopts the view of science itself.  That is, Bigfoot is just not proven to exist.  Such a viewpoint is not controversial and requires no special power or giant government conspiracy..........  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forest_Service

 

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........In 1876, Congress formed the office of Special Agent in the Department of Agriculture to assess the quality and conditions of forests in the United States. Franklin B. Hough was appointed the head of the office. In 1881, the office was expanded into the newly formed Division of Forestry. The Forest Reserve Act of 1891 authorized withdrawing land from the public domain as forest reserves managed by the Department of the Interior. In 1901, the Division of Forestry was renamed the Bureau of Forestry.

The Transfer Act of 1905 transferred the management of forest reserves from the United States General Land Office of the Interior Department to the Bureau of Forestry, henceforth known as the United States Forest Service..........

 

The department has existed at least as a management agency for 150 years. How long has the department have timber cruisers out running around in virgin, old growth forests in primary Sasquatch habitat in the Pacific Northwest where they would run across sasquatch footprints, howls, sightings, etc? The earliest references to "rangers" and government timber sales surveys are right about the turn of the 20th century (or about 120 years). But there is an even more critical example of government knowing about sasquatchery:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lewis_(Washington)

 

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..........Fort Lewis was originally established in 1917 with the passage of a Pierce County bond measure to purchase 70,000 acres (280 km2) of land to donate to the federal government for permanent use as a military installation............

 

From the beginning of the existence of Ft. Lewis (109 years ago), situated in prime sasquatch territory and in Pierce County, WA, which features one of the highest densities of sasquatch reports in the nation, there have been soldiers (thousands of them) running around, camping, conducting nighttime training, and generally living in the woods there. There is absolutely, positively no way (no how) that sasquatch reports have not been regularly reported to the post commanders (and thus to commanding generals, almost certainly "unofficially") over the past 109 years. 

 

If sasquatches exist (or existed), Pierce County WA was one of the most densely inhabited  areas of their range (according to report densities), and the Army knew it. Guaranteed. 

 

The Army operates (and always has, since before the founding of our nation and when it was under the Union Jack) under a "need to know" basis. It's institutional. No, every soldier in the Army, or even every soldier who was posted at Ft. Lewis doesn't know, so the "conspiracy" isn't "giant".

 

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..........on top of that I really doubt the forrest service has an official position on many subjects.   The thunderbird, giant snakes, and so on.  They would just correctly reiterate the present general consensus of science...........

 

I know of few to no reports of thunderbirds, and such reports would likely be most interesting to the USFWS, not the USFS. Currently, there is quite a big issue with giant snakes in Florida, and the reason why the USFS is not directly involved with it is because the USFS isn't managing forests there, but the USFWS and NPS are deeply involved, and there is no secrecy because every agency involved (both state and federal) have determined that killing the snakes are in the best interests of everybody, so they encourage that. If the USFS and Army determined that the killing of sasquatches was desired, I can assure you that they'd let you know about them..........and my suspicion is that they keep their existence completely unofficial specifically in order to discourage the harassment, disturbing, hunting, bothering, and killing of sasquatches to a minimum. The best way to do that with the public is to keep them a myth. That was incredibly easy to do prior to 1967. The PGF made it a bit more difficult. So, essentially, sasquatches have been publicly "out-of-the-bag" for 59 years.

 

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.........where does one go to get an official position?   Is there a book of official positions in the congressional record or something?  

 

One doesn't keep secrets by recording them on paper..........or now in emails, even if you hide them in your bathroom at home. These kinds of secrets are word of mouth, and kept among few trusted persons.

[Silverback Sax]

Dead horse at the ready.  Allow the beating to commence...

[Huntster]

56 minutes ago, Silverback Sax said:

Dead horse at the ready.  Allow the beating to commence...

 

Your horse is not dead, it lives in myth. And it's not a horse. It's a unicorn, which doesn't exist. If it was a horse, people would petition for it to be saved. Since it's a unicorn, and everybody knows that unicorns don't exist, nobody knows or cares about it.