Science needs facts before so called animals like bigfoot are considered to be real or simply proven to exist.

[georgerm]

 

 

 

 

The U.S. Forest Service defines Bigfoot as a 'mythical creature' meaning it does not fit anywhere in the animal world but seems to fit with cartoon characters. Now some animals climb the ladder before they are classified as a real animal. For many creatures before this status was realized there were ten steps before an animal was considered real or a recognized species. One of the first steps to becoming a recognized species are sightings that are reported to those in charge of animal science. As sighting reports pile up more credibility is given to the animal, but it remains on lower steps of the ten steps required before the animal is granted species status.

 

Later footprints are cast which puts the creature on higher steps then a top trusted scientist observes the creature and its level is boosted higher on that path to discovery. Later hair, more scientist observe it, and then motion picture evidence is brought in and the creature reaches higher up on the ladder of discovery which is now more difficult due to artificial intelligence or AI. Does artificial intelligence which raised the bar on photographic evidence. Possibly some creatures have reached step 9, yet a body or living speciment has not been brought in so it stays on step 9. When we put bigfoot on this ladder, a huge percentage of scientist with higher degrees in zoology agree that bigfoot is on what step? What's your opinion? What step do most credited biologist place bigfoot? What step do you place bigfoot and why?

[Backdoc]

There are some who view the government as all powerful involved in each and every conspiracy.   This thinking virtually demands somehow the “Forrest service” knows all about Bigfoot and is keeping it quiet.   Those who believe this may offer reasonable ideas such as lying to keep people from shooting each other.    Then there are the “ Jump the shark” ideas.   Use your imagination.   
 

 

The truth is likely the forrest service just adopts the view of science itself.  That is, Bigfoot is just not proven to exist.  Such a viewpoint is not controversial and requires no special power or giant government conspiracy.  
 

on top of that I really doubt the forrest service has an official position on many subjects.   The thunderbird, giant snakes, and so on.  They would just correctly reiterate the present general consensus of science.

 

where does one go to get an official position?   Is there a book of official positions in the congressional record or something?  
 

 

[georgerm]

12 hours ago, Backdoc said:

There are some who view the government as all powerful involved in each and every conspiracy.   This thinking virtually demands somehow the “Forrest service” knows all about Bigfoot and is keeping it quiet.   Those who believe this may offer reasonable ideas such as lying to keep people from shooting each other.    Then there are the “ Jump the shark” ideas.   Use your imagination.   
 

 

The truth is likely the forrest service just adopts the view of science itself.  That is, Bigfoot is just not proven to exist.  Such a viewpoint is not controversial and requires no special power or giant government conspiracy.  
 

on top of that I really doubt the forrest service has an official position on many subjects.   The thunderbird, giant snakes, and so on.  They would just correctly reiterate the present general consensus of science.

 

 

 

The forest service also known as the USFS deals with timber production and a variety of other uses such a recreation, grazing and mining. Bigfoot lives in timberlands and other types of USFS lands so anything that effects timber production is of prime concern to the USFS. We have seen what happens when animals are designated as endangered species where timber production, grazing, and mining can be hampered by strict land use regulations. It so happens bigfoot has been reported to live where there is timber production, grazing and many other uses the forest service manages. The forest service has top wildlife biologist that are hired to make sure wildlife and human uses of forest service lands are compatible. It appears to me that these USFS biologist have been silenced since we hear nothing that puts bigfoot on the one to ten scale of proof of existence scale. Bigfoot is not even on step one but thrown into the mythical creature category along with Mickey Mouse. Much of bigfoot proof seems to be coming from people not connected to the USFS, such as hikers, sportsmen, loggers, and private bigfoot researchers. What can be done so forest service land uses are kept intact and proof of bigfoot remains on a honest proof of existence course? Can logging, grazing, and mining be compatible with bigfoot living among resource uses?

 

 

[Huntster]

14 hours ago, Backdoc said:

.........The truth is likely the forrest service just adopts the view of science itself.  That is, Bigfoot is just not proven to exist.  Such a viewpoint is not controversial and requires no special power or giant government conspiracy..........  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forest_Service

 

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........In 1876, Congress formed the office of Special Agent in the Department of Agriculture to assess the quality and conditions of forests in the United States. Franklin B. Hough was appointed the head of the office. In 1881, the office was expanded into the newly formed Division of Forestry. The Forest Reserve Act of 1891 authorized withdrawing land from the public domain as forest reserves managed by the Department of the Interior. In 1901, the Division of Forestry was renamed the Bureau of Forestry.

The Transfer Act of 1905 transferred the management of forest reserves from the United States General Land Office of the Interior Department to the Bureau of Forestry, henceforth known as the United States Forest Service..........

 

The department has existed at least as a management agency for 150 years. How long has the department have timber cruisers out running around in virgin, old growth forests in primary Sasquatch habitat in the Pacific Northwest where they would run across sasquatch footprints, howls, sightings, etc? The earliest references to "rangers" and government timber sales surveys are right about the turn of the 20th century (or about 120 years). But there is an even more critical example of government knowing about sasquatchery:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lewis_(Washington)

 

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..........Fort Lewis was originally established in 1917 with the passage of a Pierce County bond measure to purchase 70,000 acres (280 km2) of land to donate to the federal government for permanent use as a military installation............

 

From the beginning of the existence of Ft. Lewis (109 years ago), situated in prime sasquatch territory and in Pierce County, WA, which features one of the highest densities of sasquatch reports in the nation, there have been soldiers (thousands of them) running around, camping, conducting nighttime training, and generally living in the woods there. There is absolutely, positively no way (no how) that sasquatch reports have not been regularly reported to the post commanders (and thus to commanding generals, almost certainly "unofficially") over the past 109 years. 

 

If sasquatches exist (or existed), Pierce County WA was one of the most densely inhabited  areas of their range (according to report densities), and the Army knew it. Guaranteed. 

 

The Army operates (and always has, since before the founding of our nation and when it was under the Union Jack) under a "need to know" basis. It's institutional. No, every soldier in the Army, or even every soldier who was posted at Ft. Lewis doesn't know, so the "conspiracy" isn't "giant".

 

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..........on top of that I really doubt the forrest service has an official position on many subjects.   The thunderbird, giant snakes, and so on.  They would just correctly reiterate the present general consensus of science...........

 

I know of few to no reports of thunderbirds, and such reports would likely be most interesting to the USFWS, not the USFS. Currently, there is quite a big issue with giant snakes in Florida, and the reason why the USFS is not directly involved with it is because the USFS isn't managing forests there, but the USFWS and NPS are deeply involved, and there is no secrecy because every agency involved (both state and federal) have determined that killing the snakes are in the best interests of everybody, so they encourage that. If the USFS and Army determined that the killing of sasquatches was desired, I can assure you that they'd let you know about them..........and my suspicion is that they keep their existence completely unofficial specifically in order to discourage the harassment, disturbing, hunting, bothering, and killing of sasquatches to a minimum. The best way to do that with the public is to keep them a myth. That was incredibly easy to do prior to 1967. The PGF made it a bit more difficult. So, essentially, sasquatches have been publicly "out-of-the-bag" for 59 years.

 

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.........where does one go to get an official position?   Is there a book of official positions in the congressional record or something?  

 

One doesn't keep secrets by recording them on paper..........or now in emails, even if you hide them in your bathroom at home. These kinds of secrets are word of mouth, and kept among few trusted persons.

[Silverback Sax]

Dead horse at the ready.  Allow the beating to commence...

[Huntster]

56 minutes ago, Silverback Sax said:

Dead horse at the ready.  Allow the beating to commence...

 

Your horse is not dead, it lives in myth. And it's not a horse. It's a unicorn, which doesn't exist. If it was a horse, people would petition for it to be saved. Since it's a unicorn, and everybody knows that unicorns don't exist, nobody knows or cares about it.

[norseman]

On 4/19/2026 at 8:05 PM, Backdoc said:

There are some who view the government as all powerful involved in each and every conspiracy.   This thinking virtually demands somehow the “Forrest service” knows all about Bigfoot and is keeping it quiet.   Those who believe this may offer reasonable ideas such as lying to keep people from shooting each other.    Then there are the “ Jump the shark” ideas.   Use your imagination.   
 

 

The truth is likely the forrest service just adopts the view of science itself.  That is, Bigfoot is just not proven to exist.  Such a viewpoint is not controversial and requires no special power or giant government conspiracy.  
 

on top of that I really doubt the forrest service has an official position on many subjects.   The thunderbird, giant snakes, and so on.  They would just correctly reiterate the present general consensus of science.

 

where does one go to get an official position?   Is there a book of official positions in the congressional record or something?  
 

 

If a viable population of Ape men is roaming the hinterlands of north America today?

 

Can you give me any good reasons as to why the federal government wouldn’t know it exists?

 

Why is the Smithsonian exempt from the Indian Graves Act?

 

It’s a simple formula for the government to be clear of conspiracy. Just be transparent.

 

They wont be.

[Backdoc]

11 hours ago, norseman said:

If a viable population of Ape men is roaming the hinterlands of north America today?

 

If we had such a population, we should expect to have a new PGF-level film on a regular basis.  These would occur often (more than 1 time in 50 years) by regular people out there with cell phones.   Assuming Bigfoot is real, I account for this lack of Patterson-level video by the small number of Bigfoot out there.   Bigfoot country makes it harder as well but even in a thick wilderness we can find about anything and film it if there is enough of them.

 

Lack of many new PGF-level films simply supports/reinforces the notion by the scientific community Bigfoot is not likely out there.  

 

Deer, Bob Cats, or even the rare Wolverine are caught on video.   The more common the animal, the increased ease of capturing it on video.  

 

Some parts of our government involved in an area of expertise are generally sitting on their hands until such time they are forced to become reactionary.   They are not likely to be pre-emptive.  

 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, norseman said:

Can you give me any good reasons as to why the federal government wouldn’t know it exists?

 

Probably about the same reason about anyone else doesn't know they exist.   I was confident- prior to AI fake stuff- if we had a home run clear PGF 2.0 it would prove to most people Bigfoot exists.  Now if we had such a film there would be a big "It's got to be fake" feeling out there about Bigfoot or anything else extraordinary.  Yet, if we truly had a new, Provable, Home-Run level PGF video or better (and esp. a Body on a slab) Government, non-government and so on would all respond on their own level to these new circumstances.  They would react then.   Not until then.   BTW most people care very little about much outside their own reality until it comes into their life and affects them directly.

 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, norseman said:

Why is the Smithsonian exempt from the Indian Graves Act?

 

It’s a simple formula for the government to be clear of conspiracy. Just be transparent.

 

They wont be.

 

 

If CNN, Fox, and so on had 50 reporters with cameras interviewing a hunter who shot a Bigfoot the public would react.  Government would react.  The public would pressure the government to further act.   Science skeptics would react.  Some might even apologize to Jeff Meldrum, and so on.   Sure, the tree huggers would want Bigfoot protected and some hunter might want to shoot one for their wall but shoot their neighbor by accident.  

 

But....

 

The first thing- Provable Bigfoot-has to occur for any and all those things and more to occur.

 

IF PROOF then REACTION.

 

 

 

 

[norseman]

4 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

 

If we had such a population, we should expect to have a new PGF-level film on a regular basis.  These would occur often (more than 1 time in 50 years) by regular people out there with cell phones.   Assuming Bigfoot is real, I account for this lack of Patterson-level video by the small number of Bigfoot out there.   Bigfoot country makes it harder as well but even in a thick wilderness we can find about anything and film it if there is enough of them.

 

Lack of many new PGF-level films simply supports/reinforces the notion by the scientific community Bigfoot is not likely out there.  

 

Deer, Bob Cats, or even the rare Wolverine are caught on video.   The more common the animal, the increased ease of capturing it on video.  

 

Some parts of our government involved in an area of expertise are generally sitting on their hands until such time they are forced to become reactionary.   They are not likely to be pre-emptive.  

 

 

 

 

 

Probably about the same reason about anyone else doesn't know they exist.   I was confident- prior to AI fake stuff- if we had a home run clear PGF 2.0 it would prove to most people Bigfoot exists.  Now if we had such a film there would be a big "It's got to be fake" feeling out there about Bigfoot or anything else extraordinary.  Yet, if we truly had a new, Provable, Home-Run level PGF video or better (and esp. a Body on a slab) Government, non-government and so on would all respond on their own level to these new circumstances.  They would react then.   Not until then.   BTW most people care very little about much outside their own reality until it comes into their life and affects them directly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If CNN, Fox, and so on had 50 reporters with cameras interviewing a hunter who shot a Bigfoot the public would react.  Government would react.  The public would pressure the government to further act.   Science skeptics would react.  Some might even apologize to Jeff Meldrum, and so on.   Sure, the tree huggers would want Bigfoot protected and some hunter might want to shoot one for their wall but shoot their neighbor by accident.  

 

But....

 

The first thing- Provable Bigfoot-has to occur for any and all those things and more to occur.

 

IF PROOF then REACTION.

 

 

 

 

 
I can think of many other films besides the PGF. The Freeman footage, the Memorial day footage, Myakka ape photos, heck what about all of Todd Standings footage? There is a mountain of footage out there by amateurs with a camera or now a phone. We are not lacking on footage concerning this subject. Whats fake? Whats not? Thats a different question.

 

But logic dictates that if Bigfoot exists? Then a viable breeding population exists to support these sightings.

 

So then logic also dictates that there is absolutely no way our government doesn’t know about this viable breeding population. We spend 1 trillion dollars a year alone just on defense. Plus every ABC agency that is capable of surveillance on our borders and coastlines. Border Patrol for example. And they are trained to target bipedal figures crossing our borders illegally. They are not going to notice a 8’ Sasquatch crossing the border at night? No way.

 

There has to be sealed vaults of stacks of footage or they are simply destroyed or erased.

 

And then the black hole at the Smithsonian? Any physical evidence found is shipped back there to be never seen again. Look at the Lovelock cave giant’s skeletons. Gone.

 

I am the biggest pro kill proponent you will ever meet. But I am full aware the system is completely rigged against this discovery.

 

For whatever the reason? The federal government has placed a giant thumbs down for disclosure about this subject. Otherwise we would already know about it.

[Backdoc]

4 minutes ago, norseman said:

 
I can think of many other films besides the PGF. The Freeman footage, the Memorial day footage, Myakka ape photos, heck what about all of Todd Standings footage? There is a mountain of footage out there by amateurs with a camera or now a phone. We are not lacking on footage concerning this subject. Whats fake? Whats not? Thats a different question.

 

The vids you mentioned are not at all impressive to me.  If I'm not impressed as a man who is very interested in the subject (esp. as it relates to the PGF primarily) then how can I expect others to be?  I don't.  They are not.  I am not.   Like it or not the level of video offered is going to have to be a home-run level.    A double or even a tripple won't do. 

 

  

 

4 minutes ago, norseman said:

But logic dictates that if Bigfoot exists? Then a viable breeding population exists to support these sightings.

 

I understand where you are coming from.  I have no idea what a population would be.   We would both agree if there were 1 million Bigfoot in an area the sightings are going to be more common than if there are only 10.   I'm just a regular joe when it comes to actual outdoor experts or hunting experts.   I nearly always defer to them on matters which occur outside my front door.  It just seems to me you have two issues here:  1) a NEAR EXTINCT number of Bigfoot and 2) a massive area to populate their small numbers.   This supports a saying I read on the BFF years ago:  "Bigfoot is like the KGB, you don't find them, they find you"

 

These two factors for me just seem to be the most likely reason to explain rare Bigfoot sightings and the difficulty capturing one in a fumbling cell phone camera.  No other reason needed.

 

4 minutes ago, norseman said:

So then logic also dictates that there is absolutely no way our government doesn’t know about this viable breeding population.

 

 

IF the previous assumption you make are true then it is slightly possible the Government would know.  However, they wouldn't know any more than lots of non-government agencies and people.   

 

Unless Bigfoot is literally an Alien visitor like ET or some science experiment gone awry, I don't see how Bigfoot would be a threat or concern to our national security.   Unless it is 1) highlest level of threat and 2) Proven to exist I still don't understand how that Government left Bob Gimlin alive all these years.  Maybe they caused Roger to get ill again but they forgot about Bob.  They even forgot to seize the PGF on the 1967/19678 USA tour.  Watch out Peter Graves.   That Memorial Day footage is out there.  Other footage it out there.   Many of those people haven't been eliminated either.

 

We can both come up with some hunters-shooting-each-other concerns.  I would agree.  Beyond that, we just have to disagree to some extent.  

 

4 minutes ago, norseman said:

We spend 1 trillion dollars a year alone just on defense. Plus every ABC agency that is capable of surveillance on our borders and coastlines. Border Patrol for example. And they are trained to target bipedal figures crossing our borders illegally. They are not going to notice a 8’ Sasquatch crossing the border at night? No way.

 

And yet how few times if ever these entities capture a rare animal and so on.  Why didn't the government know where millionaire Balloonist Steve Fassett when down in his ballon crash right away?

 

 

 

Government isn't all-knowing but they are still darn impressive with their capabilities and keeping us safe for the most part.  Still, it took 5,000 volunteers, dogs, and tech. nearly 1 week to find a lost autistic boy lost in a Virgina state park.  Massive private and Government entities and it still took a week in a reasonable limited search area. 

 

4 minutes ago, norseman said:

There has to be sealed vaults of stacks of footage or they are simply destroyed or erased.

 

I see no reason there has to be.  

 

4 minutes ago, norseman said:

And then the black hole at the Smithsonian? Any physical evidence found is shipped back there to be never seen again. Look at the Lovelock cave giant’s skeletons. Gone.

 

I am the biggest pro kill proponent you will ever meet. But I am full aware the system is completely rigged against this discovery.

 

For whatever the reason? The federal government has placed a giant thumbs down for disclosure about this subject. Otherwise we would already know about it.

 

 

We might be reading too much into what we think we know and understand about it.  Yet, you could be 100% right.   This goes into an area I am not as familiar with on those specifics.  

 

On the issue of giant skeletons, the few times I have had discussion with people about them, I have yet to meet one who didn't base their consideration of this issue in a religious context.  There are other examples I can think of where religious assumptions or traditional or cultural assumption limit a more objective consideration.

 

There are those who think the Vinland Map is 100% authentic.  Some believe this based on their belief such a map probably existed and the Viking got here first.  Thus, the map has to be real.   While they likely did arrive in 900 or 1000AD, this has no bearing on the map.

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

[norseman]

1 hour ago, Backdoc said:

 

The vids you mentioned are not at all impressive to me.  If I'm not impressed as a man who is very interested in the subject (esp. as it relates to the PGF primarily) then how can I expect others to be?  I don't.  They are not.  I am not.   Like it or not the level of video offered is going to have to be a home-run level.    A double or even a tripple won't do. 

 

  

 

 

I understand where you are coming from.  I have no idea what a population would be.   We would both agree if there were 1 million Bigfoot in an area the sightings are going to be more common than if there are only 10.   I'm just a regular joe when it comes to actual outdoor experts or hunting experts.   I nearly always defer to them on matters which occur outside my front door.  It just seems to me you have two issues here:  1) a NEAR EXTINCT number of Bigfoot and 2) a massive area to populate their small numbers.   This supports a saying I read on the BFF years ago:  "Bigfoot is like the KGB, you don't find them, they find you"

 

These two factors for me just seem to be the most likely reason to explain rare Bigfoot sightings and the difficulty capturing one in a fumbling cell phone camera.  No other reason needed.

 

 

IF the previous assumption you make are true then it is slightly possible the Government would know.  However, they wouldn't know any more than lots of non-government agencies and people.   

 

Unless Bigfoot is literally an Alien visitor like ET or some science experiment gone awry, I don't see how Bigfoot would be a threat or concern to our national security.   Unless it is 1) highlest level of threat and 2) Proven to exist I still don't understand how that Government left Bob Gimlin alive all these years.  Maybe they caused Roger to get ill again but they forgot about Bob.  They even forgot to seize the PGF on the 1967/19678 USA tour.  Watch out Peter Graves.   That Memorial Day footage is out there.  Other footage it out there.   Many of those people haven't been eliminated either.

 

We can both come up with some hunters-shooting-each-other concerns.  I would agree.  Beyond that, we just have to disagree to some extent.  

 

 

And yet how few times if ever these entities capture a rare animal and so on.  Why didn't the government know where millionaire Balloonist Steve Fassett when down in his ballon crash right away?

 

 

 

Government isn't all-knowing but they are still darn impressive with their capabilities and keeping us safe for the most part.  Still, it took 5,000 volunteers, dogs, and tech. nearly 1 week to find a lost autistic boy lost in a Virgina state park.  Massive private and Government entities and it still took a week in a reasonable limited search area. 

 

 

I see no reason there has to be.  

 

 

 

We might be reading too much into what we think we know and understand about it.  Yet, you could be 100% right.   This goes into an area I am not as familiar with on those specifics.  

 

On the issue of giant skeletons, the few times I have had discussion with people about them, I have yet to meet one who didn't base their consideration of this issue in a religious context.  There are other examples I can think of where religious assumptions or traditional or cultural assumption limit a more objective consideration.

 

There are those who think the Vinland Map is 100% authentic.  Some believe this based on their belief such a map probably existed and the Viking got here first.  Thus, the map has to be real.   While they likely did arrive in 900 or 1000AD, this has no bearing on the map.

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

It doesn’t matter if you are impressed by them. Your premise is that we have too few videos for a viable breeding population to exist. And yet we do have tons and tons of videos. No video will ever convince science. We know what it will take to convince science.

 

There are roughly 2000 Grizzly bears in the lower 48. They are still listed as endangered. Do we know they exist?

 

You’re committing an error here when you’re comparing a rescue mission with not knowing a species exists. It’s apples and oranges. Just because we cannot find one specific human in a very narrow time frame? Does not mean we don’t know humans exist. Right? How long has the Border Patrol been watching our borders with technology capable of recording foot traffic at night? We had seismic sensors and night vision during the Vietnam war. 
 

OK so for 70 years the Border Patrol has watched our borders with advanced enough gear to detect Sasquatch. Now multiply that by an endangered population of some 2000 individuals. 2000 individuals who are foraging, hunting, mating, birthing, fighting, trekking, fishing, etc. Now draw a line through their territory and call it the USA-Canada border and cut a 100 foot wide swath through the forest. Plus open natural features and clear cuts in close proximity to the line. How many times a year are individuals crossing the border? Times by 70 years?

 

It has to be in the millions of events. This isn’t a lone human with a balloon one time event. No. This is a viable breeding population going about its business. And a hyper sensitive surveillance system operated by a world super power. And our cousins to the north are also watching the border.

 

And these agencies don’t take a break or fumble with a camera like Bob and Ethel do. This is their JOB. They are out there 365 days a year.

 

Now add in the military. Now add in the coast guard. Now add in law enforcement. The Yakima proving grounds. Ft. Lewis. The coastline of Washington and Oregon. There is way way more surveillance being conducted that just the USA-Canada border by many many agencies.

 

As far as people being killed? You don’t need to kill people to silence them. You just have to make the subject ludicrous. And everyone associated with it look like clowns. Which is exactly what they have done. And not just with this subject.

 

As to why? We can all speculate. You say that Sasquatch would never be a national security risk and that may be true. But it could certainly be a threat to their control over the land and its resources. And most importantly it’s a definite threat to their control over the TRUTH.

 

 

[RedHawk454]

3 hours ago, norseman said:

 
I can think of many other films besides the PGF. The Freeman footage, the Memorial day footage, Myakka ape photos, heck what about all of Todd Standings footage? There is a mountain of footage out there by amateurs with a camera or now a phone. We are not lacking on footage concerning this subject. Whats fake? Whats not? Thats a different question.

 

But logic dictates that if Bigfoot exists? Then a viable breeding population exists to support these sightings.

 

So then logic also dictates that there is absolutely no way our government doesn’t know about this viable breeding population. We spend 1 trillion dollars a year alone just on defense. Plus every ABC agency that is capable of surveillance on our borders and coastlines. Border Patrol for example. And they are trained to target bipedal figures crossing our borders illegally. They are not going to notice a 8’ Sasquatch crossing the border at night? No way.

 

There has to be sealed vaults of stacks of footage or they are simply destroyed or erased.

 

And then the black hole at the Smithsonian? Any physical evidence found is shipped back there to be never seen again. Look at the Lovelock cave giant’s skeletons. Gone.

 

I am the biggest pro kill proponent you will ever meet. But I am full aware the system is completely rigged against this discovery.

 

For whatever the reason? The federal government has placed a giant thumbs down for disclosure about this subject. Otherwise we would already know about it.

 

 

Todd standing is a hoaxer.  All his sasquatches look completely different.  Some of his hoaxes are complete garbage.

[RedHawk454]

lets look at some of todds different BiGFEeTs....

 

 

 

[RedHawk454]

interestingly enough I was doing bigfoot research on google and came across this post from over 8 years ago.. on BFF.  seems other people have basically called out todd standing before

 

[norseman]

50 minutes ago, RedHawk454 said:

 

 

Todd standing is a hoaxer.  All his sasquatches look completely different.  Some of his hoaxes are complete garbage.

I think he is a complete hoaxer.

 

But ask Kitakaze if Roger Patterson is a hoaxer? The answer would be the same.

 

But thats not the point I am trying to make.