Backdoc Posted August 4 Posted August 4 Thanks everyone. Good input. This all gives me some things to think about. If nothing else, I would bet Bigfoot could greatly outpace the best human wilderness explorer be they Bear Grylls, Survivor man, or Grisly Adams. So long as they can outpace a person, they are people safe from unwelcomed interaction with people.
VAfooter Posted August 4 Admin Posted August 4 Since Norse mentioned it: https://xcancel.com/FoxNews/status/2084638246978371709 Never been anywhere near a wildfire of that nature, and I never want to be either.
guyzonthropus Posted August 8 Posted August 8 How far did the big male carrying Albert Ostman go the night he made off with poor Albert? He mentioned a number of ups and downs through mountains but I don't recall how many nor for how long. But it did take him considerable time returning to that settlement/logging camp. That would give at least some indication of their potential range. These fires are simply horrific, with all the habitat getting destroyed in times already plagued with climatic stresses. Oddly enough, no major fires have occurred here in southern California so far this year, though we've have a rather mild summer. However there have been a few moist years lately so the San Gabriel mountains(the range behind my house) are getting covered with progressively more and more fuel for when it does burn. Its always a double edged sword, in that more rain keeps the hillsides greener for longer, it also results in further accumulation of fuels
norseman Posted August 13 Admin Author Posted August 13 On 8/7/2026 at 5:45 PM, guyzonthropus said: How far did the big male carrying Albert Ostman go the night he made off with poor Albert? He mentioned a number of ups and downs through mountains but I don't recall how many nor for how long. But it did take him considerable time returning to that settlement/logging camp. That would give at least some indication of their potential range. These fires are simply horrific, with all the habitat getting destroyed in times already plagued with climatic stresses. Oddly enough, no major fires have occurred here in southern California so far this year, though we've have a rather mild summer. However there have been a few moist years lately so the San Gabriel mountains(the range behind my house) are getting covered with progressively more and more fuel for when it does burn. Its always a double edged sword, in that more rain keeps the hillsides greener for longer, it also results in further accumulation of fuels It was around the Toba Inlet if memory serves… and he walked 10 miles to get out. But the Sasquatch did it packing HIM. I think it’s not much about climate and a whole lot about human management. I read that 6 million sheep were just in the state of Montana in 1900. Now there aren’t that many in the entire country. In my lifetime many mills have shut down. Just had this discussion in Libby Montana. Nary a log truck anywhere. Millions of acres of national forest. If we don’t manage it? Mother Nature will, and she doesn’t care about property lines, houses, livestock, pets, people, etc. And then on top of it? Several of these fires in the Spokane area were arson. People using red flag warning days to intentionally go start catastrophic fires. BTW, we didn’t go out on that fire. Because we were on the wrong list. 🙄 We are on the VEPR list and they needed EERA personnel. Even though the VEPR list is supposed to be dispatched before the Emergency list. Bureaucracy!
guyzonthropus Posted August 15 Posted August 15 Funny you mention the logging trucks! I remember as a kid my folks took us on summer trips in the 25' foot motor home in the late 60s/early 70s. Up through California, oregon, and Washington into BC and Alberta a couple times and there were always a ton of trucks hauling logs, crazy like! And speaking of arson, I heard just the other day that there's been people betting on brush fires, their occurrences, maybe durations, etc on those new "bet-on-anything" online gambling sites. Now that's just asking for arsonists! 1
norseman Posted Saturday at 09:25 PM Admin Author Posted Saturday at 09:25 PM We are on the Kaiser Canyon Fire. Doing reclaim. We came across the Keller Ferry. Staging at Keller Wa. 1
Backdoc Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago Strange Q: I know all fires are not created equally, some wildfires can be seen as nature's way to do what nature does in a life death cycle. If an area is hit by devastating wildfires How Long does it take to rejuvenate the area where it mostly returns to 'normal' I realize the PGF area was wiped out by a flood a couple years before. Then we had the PGF. Then, 50 years later it's hard to find the spot. How long will it take for these areas to recover esp if mankind left it alone to grow back in its own?
MIB Posted 1 hour ago Admin Posted 1 hour ago 7 hours ago, Backdoc said: Strange Q: I know all fires are not created equally, some wildfires can be seen as nature's way to do what nature does in a life death cycle. If an area is hit by devastating wildfires How Long does it take to rejuvenate the area where it mostly returns to 'normal' I realize the PGF area was wiped out by a flood a couple years before. Then we had the PGF. Then, 50 years later it's hard to find the spot. How long will it take for these areas to recover esp if mankind left it alone to grow back in its own? I don't think that's automatically a strange question. It is something we should be thinking about .. society-wise, not just bigfooters. I think the best answer is "it depends." There are some really bad assumptions built into the question, assumptions that should be examined. First thing .. what we consider "normal" is not historical normal. (1) Transpiration creates a downwind moisture plume which allows forest to grow in places it naturally could not. Fire destroys not just what it burns, but the downwind moisture plume which "artificially" supports forest in places that would naturally be desert if there were no forest upwind to provide the atmospheric moisture. (2) We have 100 years and more of fire fighting / fire prevention which has altered the natural landscape. Though it is familiar to us, it is not the long term norm and it is not "natural." Complicating things further, the Native Americans / First Nations people deliberately altered the environment / landscape with large scale fire. Because they seem to have arrived before deglaciation, there probably has not been a "natural" environment, one not altered by human activity, since before the last glacial maximum. Data suggest we are in a period of rapid climate change. Second thing .. forest regrowth is though a progression of stages. Once forest is lost, we get grasslands / brush, smaller trees, etc before big trees return. This can take centuries, not decades, not years, and given changing climate conditions, I'm not sure we will have periods between fires long enough for the cycle to complete, we seem to be looking at forest -> burn -> brush -> burn -> brush -> burn -> brush .. etc. We .. in my area .. are getting much more frequent dry lighting and large fires than we have ever had in recorded history. The opportunities for mature forest to re-form under these conditions seem nil. In fact it seems the only chance of restoration is via human intervention, not via natural processes. This situation seems likely to last for centuries, maybe tens of centuries, and the new equilibrium, if there is one, won't be the one we're used to. I suspect much of North America, if humans just vanished, would turn into a land of brush and grasses with very little "reclamation" by forest as we know it because of the increased rate of lightning fires driven by global warming. Once turned to brush and grasses, it is very difficult to return to forest because conditions don't last enough years in a row for that to happen. IMHO of course! MIB
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