Bigfoot myth or monster?

[Huntster]

3 hours ago, Backdoc said:

.........I still say bigfoot would be essentially an ape...........

 

Homo sapiens are also apes, although if you call somebody an "ape", they will almost certainly be offended.

[georgerm]

9 hours ago, Huntster said:

 

The feral homo sapien also explains why DNA analysis comes back as "human". But, then, a human relative and/or hybrid might also do that. 

 

I don't believe that feral Homo sapiens fully explain the phenomenon, but I do claim that it almost certainly explains some reports and is part of the overall explanation. The Zana story clearly "proves" that "scientifically".

 

 

 

Humans evolved from other hominins in Africa several million years ago. Although some scientists equate humans with all members of the genus Homo, in common usage it generally refers to Homo sapiens, the only extant member. Homo sapiens emerged around 300,000 years ago and migrated out of Africa, gradually replacing local populations of archaic humans. Early humans were hunter-gatherers, before the invention of agriculture and domestication of animals led to permanent settlement in the Fertile Crescent and other cradles of civilization.

 

We Homo sapiens emerged 300,000 years ago and we replaced archaic humans. I suppose the Neanderthals are the archaic humans and bigfoot is probably some kind of advanced primate and not human. Bigfoot is short of being an archaic human but seems to be highly intelligent for avoiding capture for this long? Does bigfoot have a spoken language?

[Huntster]

2 hours ago, georgerm said:

.........bigfoot is probably some kind of advanced primate and not human...........

 

Homo sapiens are primates, too.

 

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..........Does bigfoot have a spoken language?

 

There is evidence that they do, and if so, that would pretty much narrow them into the genus Homo.

[xspider1]

These recent posts got me to wondering.  As an analogy: 

 

Suppose a UFO landed and weird beings were seen emerging from the craft (could happen).  Suppose then that they set-up camp and proceeded to explore Earth, basically minding their own business.  Would the prudent thing to do be A.) immediately try to kill them so that Science can prove that extra-terrestrial beings are visiting Earth?, or B.) At least attempt to contain them (alive) and make contact?  The correct response seems obvious to me (B.)  We could be prepared to attack if necessary although attacking might not work out so good, proactively or, reactively.  As with Bigfoot, we could end up with a much better understanding of what they are and perhaps what benefits to us they might provide.  We could at least try to take the high-road, no?     

[norseman]

21 minutes ago, xspider1 said:

These recent posts got me to wondering.  As an analogy: 

 

Suppose a UFO landed and weird beings were seen emerging from the craft (could happen).  Suppose then that they set-up camp and proceeded to explore Earth, basically minding their own business.  Would the prudent thing to do be A.) immediately try to kill them so that Science can prove that extra-terrestrial beings are visiting Earth?, or B.) At least attempt to contain them (alive) and make contact?  The correct response seems obvious to me (B.)  We could be prepared to attack if necessary although attacking might not work out so good, proactively or, reactively.  As with Bigfoot, we could end up with a much better understanding of what they are and perhaps what benefits to us they might provide.  We could at least try to take the high-road, no?     

The scenario has allegedly already happened.
 

We shot down their saucer in 1947 and collected and dissected their bodies.🤷🏻‍♂️

 

Roswell New Mexico

 

Science isn't going to take any high roads. The Military isn't gonna take any high roads either. 
 

They will take the most expedient route to the maximum data dump that can be seized and controlled.
 

 

 

[Huntster]

11 hours ago, xspider1 said:

..........The correct response seems obvious to me (B.)  We could be prepared to attack if necessary although attacking might not work out so good, proactively or, reactively.  As with Bigfoot, we could end up with a much better understanding of what they are and perhaps what benefits to us they might provide.  We could at least try to take the high-road, no?     

 

What makes you think that hasn't already happened with government? 

 

What benefits can a rare, forest dwelling, technology rejecting hominid provide mankind? 

 

Maybe government knows they exist and are protecting them with dignity by keeping mankind ignorant of their existence? Indeed, people are arriving to that suspicion regarding extraterrestrials. Government knows, but is protecting mankind (instead of the primitive hominid) from their own behaviors by keeping the knowledge low key.

[xspider1]

11 hours ago, norseman said:

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The scenario has allegedly already happened.We shot down their saucer in 1947 and collected and dissected their bodies.🤷🏻‍♂️

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Science isn't going to take any high roads. The Military isn't gonna take any high roads either. 
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Ok, flash forward 80 years, times are different.  'Science' and the Military almost always do exactly what they are told to do, for better or worse.  We just need good leadership..

 

"What makes you think that hasn't already happened with government?" - Huntster  I don't think that, per say, I just don't know.

 

"What benefits can a rare, forest dwelling, technology rejecting hominid provide mankind?"  - Huntster  I don't know that either, but I bet we could learn more from them if they are alive and not dead.

 

Taking the high-road with extra-terrestrials visiting Earth did not work out too good in 'Mars Attacks', but I'm pretty sure that was Science Fiction.   

 

[norseman]

40 minutes ago, xspider1 said:

 

Ok, flash forward 80 years, times are different.  'Science' and the Military almost always do exactly what they are told to do, for better or worse.  We just need good leadership..

 

"What makes you think that hasn't already happened with government?" - Huntster  I don't think that, per say, I just don't know.

 

"What benefits can a rare, forest dwelling, technology rejecting hominid provide mankind?"  - Huntster  I don't know that either, but I bet we could learn more from them if they are alive and not dead.

 

Taking the high-road with extra-terrestrials visiting Earth did not work out too good in 'Mars Attacks', but I'm pretty sure that was Science Fiction.   

 

 

Are times different? I think they are getting worse.
 

For the record on pro kill? If you gave me a Mountain Gorilla kill tag I wouldn’t fill it. I have no plans to eat a primate any time soon. And they are much more interesting alive than dead.

 

But I also want the species recognized as a legitimate species. 
 

 

[xspider1]

1 hour ago, norseman said:

Are times different? I think they are getting worse.

 

Yes, I am confident saying that times are different now than they were in 1947.  Getting worse?  Let's be fair.  If you are talking about inflation, Health and Human Services, the Environment, World opinion of the US, safety of American citizens, polarized politics, economic inequality, racism, ignorance, greed and stupidity then, yes those things have gotten a lot worse lately.  If you are talking about Science, Military capability and intelligence then, no, those things are probably better.

 

I'm glad that you don't want to kill and eat a Mountain Gorilla (I never really thought you did), but that is non sequitur.  I understand that you want Bigfoot recognized as a legitimate species and I feel as though most of us here do.  And, although you often tell me that feelings don't matter to Science, I tend to disagree because Scientists (like everyone else for the most part) are driven, at least in part, by their emotions which often compel them to do the right things.

[Huntster]

4 hours ago, xspider1 said:

........ I bet we could learn more from them if they are alive and not dead.........

No doubt, but Norse is correct that Science as an industry will simply not play ball until somebody delivers a carcass and essentially rubs their noses in it.

 

And I submit that is just one of the reasons why government has decided that the best thing for them as a species is to remain a myth.

 

And frankly, it's my opinion that aliens are science fiction, and Science (as an industry) is playing ball on that field because every base hit equals Big Money, government is managing game for spinoff technology, and the taxpayer plays because they have no choice.

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, xspider1 said:

.......I'm glad that you don't want to kill and eat a Mountain Gorilla........

Ever hear of Bush Meat?

[xspider1]

12 minutes ago, Huntster said:

Ever hear of Bush Meat?

 

Yep.  I would probably eat it if I had to.  It's legal to eat road-kill here although, I usually just go to the store.  Although, with the cuts in food-safety (including a 19% reduction to the FDA work-force)  a squished squirrel or, a drowned rat doesn't sound too bad right now..

 

"No doubt, but Norse is correct that Science as an industry will simply not play ball until somebody delivers a carcass and essentially rubs their noses in it."  I agree that Universities, most private companies, governments, etc. are not going to really get involved until Joe six-pack, wife and kids are convinced that they exist.  'Science' is often done by people who are unencumbered by those institutions.  I don't know the best way to prove Bigfoot.  I think one (or two, if Norse insists ) could be captured alive.  I mean if we can capture elephants and whale sharks??  🤷🏻‍♂️

[xspider1]

Never mind.  It occurs to me now that a captured Bigfoot would probably never be released.  And, if a pair is required for classification, omg, what if they have 'kids' out there...  : /

I guess I don't want to be any part of the 'required proof'.  Maybe I will see them in the woods someday (preferably with a few friends and some big guns (for protection only), just in case they attack.  My 99.9% belief might then be confirmed and maybe we could sit around the camp-fire later with the Bigfeet and all sing Kumbaya.