WHY DO THE FEDS WANT BIGFOOT TO REMAIN UNDCOMENTED & MYTHICAL?

[georgerm]

Many of us cringe when we see animal species going extinct and feel guilty for not doing more to protect a species. We just haven't developed adequate methods to study bigfoot populations so we can determine if their populations are stable or do we need special methods to ensure bigfoots can raise families and keep stable populations?  

 

[Huntster]

IF these creatures are hominins (and the evidence strongly indicates that they are), the appropriate researchers are as much (or more) anthropologists than biologists, and there is good reason to study the phenomenon in a low key, or even secret way.

 

https://historyreclaimed.co.uk/is-there-a-primitive-society/

[georgerm]

32 minutes ago, Huntster said:

IF these creatures are hominins (and the evidence strongly indicates that they are), the appropriate researchers are as much (or more) anthropologists than biologists, and there is good reason to study the phenomenon in a low key, or even secret way.

 

https://historyreclaimed.co.uk/is-there-a-primitive-society/

What are hominins?

"The term "hominins" (also known as “hominini”) refers to the different species of the genus Homo that make up human evolution. Hominins include Homo erectus, Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis, among other species. The only surviving hominin species is Homo sapiens sapiens, i.e. modern humans."

 

How about Homo sasquatchinsis as being a hominins that is smart enough to avoid human detection.   

 

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, georgerm said:

........How about Homo sasquatchinsis as being a hominins that is smart enough to avoid human detection.   

 

Or have been conditioned over dozens of thousands of years to avoid Homo sapiens because of our penchant for warfare?

[Huntster]

2 hours ago, Huntster said:

IF these creatures are hominins (and the evidence strongly indicates that they are), the appropriate researchers are as much (or more) anthropologists than biologists, and there is good reason to study the phenomenon in a low key, or even secret way..........

 

The U.S. government has literally hundreds of years of experience trying to get native peoples and immigrants to live together in peace. Current events demonstrate that the battles continue. With sasquatchery, and unlike Native American tribes, "mythology" helps keep the political difficulty to such a minimum as to eliminated it altogether.

 

From AI:

 

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Throughout United States history, the federal government utilized two primary, conflicting approaches to handle the presence of Native Americans: forced physical separation (isolation) and forced cultural destruction (assimilation). 

The primary federal attempts to keep Native Americans and white American settlers physically separated spanned from the late 18th century to the late 19th century through specific legislative acts, treaties, and military operations. 

 

1. The Trade and Intercourse Acts (1790–1834)

 

Early federal policy under George Washington sought to establish a clear boundary line between United States territory and tribal lands. Congress passed a series of Nonintercourse Acts that made it illegal for non-Indians to settle on tribal lands, trade with tribes without a federal license, or purchase tribal land directly without federal approval. The goal was to prevent violent frontier conflicts by legally keeping settlers and Native Americans separated, though the federal government routinely failed to enforce these boundaries against westward-moving squatters. 

 

2. The Indian Removal Act of 1830

 

As white population pressure grew, the federal policy shifted from border enforcement to permanent geographic separation. President Andrew Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act of 1830, which authorized the federal government to force eastern Native nations to cede their ancestral homelands in exchange for lands west of the Mississippi River in what was designated as "Indian Territory" (primarily modern-day Oklahoma).This systematic ethnic cleansing resulted in the forced migration of nearly 50,000 Indigenous people—including the Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek, Chickasaw, and Seminole—along devastating routes like the Trail of Tears.

 

3. The Indian Appropriations Act of 1851 (The Reservation System)

 

As American settlers breached the Mississippi River and pushed to the Pacific coast, the concept of a massive, isolated "Indian Territory" collapsed. In response, Congress passed the Indian Appropriations Act of 1851, which officially created the Indian Reservation System.

Instead of moving tribes to one distant territory, the federal government used military force to concentrate and isolate Native American tribes onto strictly defined, often economically unviable parcels of land. The goal was to strictly segregate Native Americans from expanding transit corridors, railroads, and white agricultural communities, keeping them under tight federal supervision by the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA).

 

The Shift from Separation to Forced Assimilation

 

By the late 19th century, the federal government abandoned its policy of physical separation because white settlers coveted the reservation lands. The government shifted to an aggressive policy of forced erasure and integration:

 

The Dawes Act of 1887: Broke up communal reservation lands into small individual allotments to dismantle tribal sovereignty and sell off the "surplus" land to white settlers.

 

The Indian Boarding School System: Forcibly separated Native children from their families to strip them of their languages, cultures, and identities.

 

The Indian Termination Policy (1940s–1960s): A mid-20th-century effort that legally dissolved over 100 tribes and used the Indian Relocation Act of 1956 to move Native Americans off reservations and into major cities to force them into mainstream urban society.

 

It's tough enough to deal with humanity under ethnic and tribal terms. Sub-species adds complexities and legal uncertainties. Government has very good reasons to keep sasquatches undiscovered. It makes their lives easier, keeps sasquatches living as wild as possible, reduces impacts to sasquatches by humanity, and reduces economic disruptions to a minimum.

 

[georgerm]

4 hours ago, Huntster said:

 

The U.S. government has literally hundreds of years of experience trying to get native peoples and immigrants to live together in peace. Current events demonstrate that the battles continue. With sasquatchery, and unlike Native American tribes, "mythology" helps keep the political difficulty to such a minimum as to eliminated it altogether.

 

From AI:

 

 

It's tough enough to deal with humanity under ethnic and tribal terms. Sub-species adds complexities and legal uncertainties. Government has very good reasons to keep sasquatches undiscovered. It makes their lives easier, keeps sasquatches living as wild as possible, reduces impacts to sasquatches by humanity, and reduces economic disruptions to a minimum.

 

 

 

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It's tough enough to deal with humanity under ethnic and tribal terms. Sub-species adds complexities and legal uncertainties. Government has very good reasons to keep sasquatches undiscovered. It makes their lives easier, keeps sasquatches living as wild as possible, reduces impacts to sasquatches by humanity, and reduces economic disruptions to a minimum.

Government has very good reasons to keep sasquatches undiscovered and let's look at some of those reasons why the Forest Service and BLM probably do not want sasquatch to be discovered and receive a genus and species name. The government knows at some point a bigfoot will be captured or a body or living creature will be recovered. It's just a matter of time before a bigfoot is captured or killed which is necessary to proving its existence, and the government agencies in charge of timber production probably have a plan in place once the discovery happens. What do you think the plan is? When discovery happens an agency will be in charge of the new species and its well being since the public will probably demand that bigfoot's habitat will be protected. Once discovered then problems will begin such as environmental groups will demand that bigfoot be protected and logging close to it's range of operation will probably be stopped. This is when major problems will begin to happen and I will turn this conversation to the members to describe what these problems might be and what are the possible solutions. 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:06 AM by georgerm

[Huntster]

13 hours ago, georgerm said:

......... The government knows at some point a bigfoot will be captured or a body or living creature will be recovered. It's just a matter of time before a bigfoot is captured or killed which is necessary to proving its existence, and the government agencies in charge of timber production probably have a plan in place once the discovery happens..........

 

I believe you are correct.

 

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........What do you think the plan is?...........

 

That's a huge question. If these creatures are determined to be hominins (and I'm sure they will be), they will be the most unique species on Earth. Unlike any other, they might be determined to have human rights, yet still be considered to be wild animals, thus forced assimilation would be inappropriate, if not outright impossible both for them and us.

 

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.........When discovery happens an agency will be in charge of the new species and its well being since the public will probably demand that bigfoot's habitat will be protected. Once discovered then problems will begin such as environmental groups will demand that bigfoot be protected and logging close to it's range of operation will probably be stopped. This is when major problems will begin to happen and I will turn this conversation to the members to describe what these problems might be and what are the possible solutions. ..........

 

In addition to political resource and land use issues, the criminal behavior issues would have to be ironed out and lived with. For example, everybody would know of their existence, and many would be fearful. so what are the rules if camping and a sasquatch raids your camp at night, even if just curious or stealing your morning granola? Can you shoot it if fearful? It's "human", and there's likely fewer than 5000 of them throughout North America. In comparison, there are @ 22,000 polar bears in North America, and not many more humans in polar bear habitat. 

 

[georgerm]

23 hours ago, Huntster said:

 

I believe you are correct.

 

 

That's a huge question. If these creatures are determined to be hominins (and I'm sure they will be), they will be the most unique species on Earth. Unlike any other, they might be determined to have human rights, yet still be considered to be wild animals, thus forced assimilation would be inappropriate, if not outright impossible both for them and us.

 

 

In addition to political resource and land use issues, the criminal behavior issues would have to be ironed out and lived with. For example, everybody would know of their existence, and many would be fearful. so what are the rules if camping and a sasquatch raids your camp at night, even if just curious or stealing your morning granola? Can you shoot it if fearful? It's "human", and there's likely fewer than 5000 of them throughout North America. In comparison, there are @ 22,000 polar bears in North America, and not many more humans in polar bear habitat. 

 

 

 

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That's a huge question. If these creatures are determined to be hominins (and I'm sure they will be), they will be the most unique species on Earth. Unlike any other, they might be determined to have human rights, yet still be considered to be wild animals, thus forced assimilation would be inappropriate, if not outright impossible both for them and us.

Get ready for outrageous scenarios. Maybe Homo erectus had a subbranch of big, brained creatures that we will call Homo sasquatchensis, and Sasquatch had a basic language that evolved into telepathy. They didn't use tools due to their fantastic speed, deception, and agility to catch deer and other animals for food. They developed a high degree of intelligence that they used to avoid Homo sapiens. Just a wild theory.  

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In addition to political resource and land use issues, the criminal behavior issues would have to be ironed out and lived with. For example, everybody would know of their existence, and many would be fearful. so what are the rules if camping and a sasquatch raids your camp at night, even if just curious or stealing your morning granola? Can you shoot it if fearful? It's "human", and there's likely fewer than 5000 of them throughout North America. In comparison, there are @ 22,000 polar bears in North America, and not many more humans in polar bear habitat. 

If bigfoot is an off shoot of Homo erectus then it would be illegal to shoot one. If Homo sasqatchensis kills a human, then specially trained Forest Service stalkers would determine which bigfoot is responsible for the murder, and they would bring it in to spend its remaining life in a zoo. Profits from zoo attendance would help train and pay for bigfoot stalkers. The others in the bigfoot clan would have small radio beacon earrings so they could be monitored, and they would live in and among clear cuts where they would hunt deer and other animals. The Forest Service would continue logging and timber sales as usual, and they would manage and train the bigfoot stalkers. A win win for the Forest Service, bigfoots, and the public.

 

 

[norseman]

1 hour ago, georgerm said:

 

 

Get ready for outrageous scenarios. Maybe Homo erectus had a subbranch of big, brained creatures that we will call Homo sasquatchensis, and Sasquatch had a basic language that evolved into telepathy. They didn't use tools due to their fantastic speed, deception, and agility to catch deer and other animals for food. They developed a high degree of intelligence that they used to avoid Homo sapiens. Just a wild theory.  

If bigfoot is an off shoot of Homo erectus then it would be illegal to shoot one. If Homo sasqatchensis kills a human, then specially trained Forest Service stalkers would determine which bigfoot is responsible for the murder, and they would bring it in to spend its remaining life in a zoo. Profits from zoo attendance would help train and pay for bigfoot stalkers. The others in the bigfoot clan would have small radio beacon earrings so they could be monitored, and they would live in and among clear cuts where they would hunt deer and other animals. The Forest Service would continue logging and timber sales as usual, and they would manage and train the bigfoot stalkers. A win win for the Forest Service, bigfoots, and the public.

 

 

There is no bygone conclusion that Bigfoot is legally a human. In fact I will say without a doubt it is not our species!

 

Homo Sapiens

 

But it may be classified in our genus. 
 

Homo Sasquatchelis or whatever.

 

Is shooting something in your genus murder? We don't know. But shooting something in your Family is not? Despite some peoples best efforts? Great apes die at the hands of man even today. Despite laws to the contrary.

 

And if any of these men were tried? It was for poaching. Not murder.

[Huntster]

2 hours ago, norseman said:

..........But it may be classified in our genus. 

 

Homo Sasquatchelis or whatever..........

 

 

If it is classified as in the genus Homo, it would be *human*, so killing one would be *homicide*. But remember, more primitive bipedal apes (Australopithecus, Ardipithecus, Sahelanthropus, Oreopithecus, Danuvius, etc) lived at least several millions of years ago. The earliest homo species was 2.5 million years ago.

 

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.........Is shooting something in your genus murder?.........

 

It is definitely homicide, but not necessarily murder. Murder is defined as an illegal and intentional homicide. Self defense is a legal justification for homicide.

 

But if a sasquatch decides to kill a man? It is almost certainly not possible to legally prosecute the sasquatch for murder if he is also a wild animal.

[norseman]

15 minutes ago, Huntster said:

 

If it is classified as in the genus Homo, it would be *human*, so killing one would be *homicide*. But remember, more primitive bipedal apes (Australopithecus, Ardipithecus, Sahelanthropus, Oreopithecus, Danuvius, etc) lived at least several millions of years ago. The earliest homo species was 2.5 million years ago.

 

 

It is definitely homicide, but not necessarily murder. Murder is defined as an illegal and intentional homicide. Self defense is a legal justification for homicide.

 

But if a sasquatch decides to kill a man? It is almost certainly not possible to legally prosecute the sasquatch for murder if he is also a wild animal.

Homicide right now in the courts means one Homo Sapien murdering another Homo Sapien.

 

There are zero court cases in which this has been extended to anything outside of our own species. Albeit they are trying currently….

 

https://www.nonhumanrights.org/blog/the-need-for-chimpanzee-rights/

 

So it remains to be seen,

 

A) Where Sasquatch would fall into biological classification.

 

B) And if it did fall into the genus Homo that is no guarantee under current laws that killing one would constitute Homicide. It’s not a Homo Sapien. We do not currently extend human rights to anything outside of our own species.

 

C) This could of course change in the future. If Chimpanzees are awarded Human rights? Certainly they would pertain to Sasquatch.

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, norseman said:

..........And if it did fall into the genus Homo that is no guarantee under current laws that killing one would constitute Homicide. It’s not a Homo Sapien. We do not currently extend human rights to anything outside of our own species..........

That's why it's key to determine their genus after discovery. There is currently no other living species within the homo genus recognized as extant. But if one is discovered, presto!: another human species exists. Their legal status then gets negotiated and legally established worldwide by Science, the lawyers, the anthropologists, and the United Nations.

 

*Hmmmmmm..........maybe it would be better for all if they remain mythical, huh?.......*