Will Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 50 minutes ago, MIB said: yes, and since the courts overrule the professional land managers who are just trying to do their jobs managing ecosystems, lock-up via court mandate is the most probable outcome. According to some we have an impending environmental disaster due to burning fossil fuels, why would any ground be locked up over an elusive creature that can go anywhere? One that no one can seem to produce a single photo of or physical evidence. I suppose getting physical evidence of one of these things would be on the same level as finding a little green man. Maybe it would be even more incredible since we seem to have decent photos of the ships that little green men fly in.
MIB Posted 4 hours ago Admin Posted 4 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Will said: According to some we have an impending environmental disaster due to burning fossil fuels, why would any ground be locked up over an elusive creature that can go anywhere? One that no one can seem to produce a single photo of or physical evidence. Is that a serious question? When decisions are made in courts by juries rather than being made by professional managers, a lot of really dumb things happen. We've had any number of post-fire salvage timber sales here blocked by court decisions when the environmental groups sued USFS and timber companies in federal court. Expecting anything rational once the courts are involved in emotional issues is pretty nuts once you've seen how things really happen. :( It doesn't matter anymore what you can prove or disprove, when it gets to court, all that matters is feelings, not science. 1
Will Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 21 minutes ago, MIB said: Is that a serious question? When decisions are made in courts by juries rather than being made by professional managers, a lot of really dumb things happen. We've had any number of post-fire salvage timber sales here blocked by court decisions when the environmental groups sued USFS and timber companies in federal court. Expecting anything rational once the courts are involved in emotional issues is pretty nuts once you've seen how things really happen. :( It doesn't matter anymore what you can prove or disprove, when it gets to court, all that matters is feelings, not science. I don’t think it’s possible to lock up a vast amount of natural resources putting the survival of a nation at risk. Even for BF. Obviously courts are willing to give small victories to crazy people. Plus, many times these court cases don’t go further because it isn’t worth fighting. Someone has to pay for it. Either side has benefited from the cost calculation. Edited 3 hours ago by Will
JKH Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 32 minutes ago, Will said: What private groups own these ecosystems? I've heard military type areas are often hairily populated.
Will Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, JKH said: I've heard military type areas are often hairily populated. Agreed! They seem to go hand in hand with lots of strange things
MIB Posted 1 hour ago Admin Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, Will said: I don’t think it’s possible to lock up a vast amount of natural resources putting the survival of a nation at risk. Even for BF. I think you're naively optimistic .. we are much more willing to be self-destructive (and pompously, righteously so) than you seem to realize. The courts do not care about the survival of the country .. at all. Where juries are in charge, where emotions drive decisions, the notion that anything can be "other than exactly as I want it" does not have a seat at the table. You have to truly believe there is a realistic risk before that sort of thinking comes into play. It won't until it is far too late to matter.
Will Posted 22 minutes ago Posted 22 minutes ago 53 minutes ago, MIB said: I think you're naively optimistic .. we are much more willing to be self-destructive (and pompously, righteously so) than you seem to realize. The courts do not care about the survival of the country .. at all. Where juries are in charge, where emotions drive decisions, the notion that anything can be "other than exactly as I want it" does not have a seat at the table. You have to truly believe there is a realistic risk before that sort of thinking comes into play. It won't until it is far too late to matter. You could be correct. I’m just watching current reality. The last election and I know we’re not supposed to do politics here but the last election was mostly driven by high fuel costs. I know this because I’m a Farmer and I heard from a lot of other farmers. So once vast tracks of federal ground is locked up and we can’t get to our natural resources, I doubt the vast majority are going to be concerned about the hairy ape that is seen behind the dumpster.
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