Creature Suit Analysis - Part 6 - Comparative Anatomy

[Guest]

Hmmm, I know one well known creature suit specialist who would tell you your wrong. Care to show a link or evidence to the "consensus of Hollywood suitmakers?"

[Guest JohnWS]

Bill Munns was right about one thing: there wasn't any four way stretch spandex around in 1967. This costume isn't made of spandex, and nobody says it was.

While I agree with you :thumbsdown: that a spandex costume is overkill/not required for what we see in the PGF - Bill's own email from National Fibre Technology backs up what some of us have been saying for a long while:

Granted, FX people and the like have been Hand tying on Spandex since the

60's, but 4-way stretch hair-fabric was not manufactured commercially until

the 1980's.

The commercial spandex product was most likely unavailable. A hand made product was not.

[Guest JohnWS]

Care to show a link or evidence to the "consensus of Hollywood suitmakers?"

If Parnassus doesn't supply the list in due course - watch this space . I can't believe you are championing Bill's opinion without knowing the 'opposition' :thumbsdown: .

ETA - Bill has already posted a list on here himself if you search.

Edited July 13, 2010 by JohnWS

[Bill]

Just for the record:

In the above letter of JohnWS, he quotes the following :

"Granted, FX people and the like have been Hand tying on Spandex since the

60's, but 4-way stretch hair-fabric was not manufactured commercially until

the 1980's."

The way the quote structure reads, it appears as if I said these remarks. I did not. I merely posted the content of an email from Fred Ferman of National Fibre Technology, who described the development of stretch fur, and the above quote is Fred's opinion, not mine.

I personally can verify that hand tying onto forms of lace or tule were common in the 60's. I am not aware of any actual examples of hair hand tied into spandex in the 60's, as an industry practice.

Bill

[Guest JohnWS]

Sorry Bill but I disagree. I clearly stated that I was quoting from your own email from National Fibre Technology. The link included in the quote leads back to your post. I'm certainly not tying to misrepresent what you posted. That was not my intention at all.

[Guest JohnWS]

I am not aware of any actual examples of hair hand tied into spandex in the 60's, as an industry practice.

You did speculate about the 2001 suits though.

So what I know is generalized and I can't say categorically it's exactly correct.

I've heard the suits were hand tied (or ventilated, as we say) into stretch spandex bases, making then essentially the first flexible fur suits ever done.

[Bill]

John:

Yes, you did acknowledge it was from the letter. It's the way the forum system displays a quote that makes it look like it was attributed to me, which can sometimes misrepresent the quote source.

So I simply wanted to clarify the quote source for the record.

And you are correct about the 2001 Ape suits. All my research indicates they were hand tied on to some fabric structure, maybe traditional lace, maybe spandex lace or mesh (like used in wig base caps of the time, a real loose weave stretchable material.) In either case, they were a high end and expensive process.

Bill

[Guest Thepattywagon]

Were not football pads used to fill out the shoulders of the alleged suit?

If so, how would any muscle definition be seen either under or around these pads? Wouldn't it be impossible because of the fact that hey are too bulky and would absolutely cover up any musculature. Add to that the suit itself, and I would think it would be very difficult to make out ANY aspect of the build of the entity wearing the suit, no matter how big or strong he was.

[Guest nyc_big]

It would be interesting to see what a fur costume looks like with vintage football pads underneath , I'd also like to see what waist high wader boots would look like inside a fur costume, if they give the appearnce of leg muscles and a consistent knee location.

Edited July 22, 2010 by nyc_big

[Guest MonkeyBingo]

There are some pretty cheesy "bigfoot costumes" on eBay for about $90 dollars. I bet I can't find my football pads from elementary school though : / I might get the bigfoot suit anyway! : B