Guest Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) For me, all encounters are a means of greater understanding concerning the nature of our existence, the nature of possibility and the nature of the self. I am greatful for the encounters I have with regard to those beings apparently out of our norm. From my understanding every being has something wonderful to add to the symphony of existence. There have been threads here on the ethics of research and threads about killing or not killing BF for the sake of apparent discovery, and I wanted to know what people wish to find out in such research, or what they think will benefit them from scientific "evidence". I cant imagine what we hope to learn if we approach another being without seeing it first as equally important in existance? So this thread is for a discussion on what people hope to learn from BF, what can BF teach us? Edited February 23, 2012 by Encounter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 With all the discussion on researching BF, its odd there are answers flowing in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Twilight Fan Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 We don't need to see BF as our equal to want to learn more from him. First, I think we'd like to find out (if real), what he IS. Maybe he's some sort of "missing link" or can tell us humans more about ourselves and our ancestors? Maybe he's a descendent of Gigantopithicus? I think people want to learn as much as they can from BF. Mainly what he is, what his intelligence and daily habits are like, and how he's remained hidden for so long without being discovered by science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Once you learn this, what does it teach you? Question here is "what can BF teach us?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Twilight Fan Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) What sort of answers are you looking for? I said the discovery of BF could possibly teach us about ourselves (if we are in any way related to them), what BF is, where he lives, his nature. Anything we can learn from a newly discovered species of ape are things we can learn from any newly discovered species. We want to learn all we can from them so we know more about them and can become familiar with the species. Until we actually find a BF, we don't know what he can "teach" us. That would depend on his nature and if he is intelligent enough to "teach" us anything in the way I think you mean it. Edited February 24, 2012 by Twilight Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) TF, you say "we" as if you were representing the comprehensive group of those wishing to learn something from BF. It doesnt represent me and I wish to learn from every being. I know from discussions with others who are more reticent to post that it doesnt represent them. For some BF already exists, so they are not wishing to learn that it exists nor thinking that classifying it this or that will teach them anything. So many times people who have had encounters with BF have said that they know they exist, so when you say "until we know they exist" you seem to forget or just continuously choose to neglect so much that is said about so many in this world having experienced BF's existence. Some are just open to what they might learn from a BF in a closer connection to them, what they might learn about richer ways of living, what they might learn about other ways of seeing... So Im asking, what can BF teach us? This is different to asking where BF fits in within the things you feel you already know. Edited February 24, 2012 by Encounter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Twilight Fan Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Alrighty, I was just trying to answer your question by what I think BF can teach the majority of people and science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Again, as in the past, I have pointed out that "the majority" is not the western scientific perspective. In any case, I see there is no progression here in that understanding. TF, I appreciate you answering, I would just remind you I am not speaking to one person here but the whole forum and all those outside visitors viewing who may then wish to join the forum and join in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Twilight Fan Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Encounter, I never said the majority were the western scientists. Many people in all countries don't believe BF exists. The discovery of such a creature would help them ALL to learn more about him. Even people who have had personal sightings and encounters don't know what BF is. They might know what he looks like, but I doubt they know much about his nature or genes. As for the other forum members, they are free to join in this conversation whenever they wish. I'm certainly not stopping them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 TF, the discussion on so many cultures around the world believing in the hairy wild man and for thousands of years has been made on this forum in various threads. The concept that you have put forward a few times that the majority need proof of BF has been responded to with facts concerning the belief systems held currently around the world. When these facts are put forward you go back to say you are only talking about the western scientific view etc (this is not the same by the way as saying the western scientists view). So I know I am not going to progress this concept with you and except out of polite discussion, I find no need too. The question is " what can BF teach us?". TF, thankyou for your post on what you feel BF will teach you. There are other answers to this question from a multitude of perspectives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 I think you may be assigning all of these mystical powers to a creature that may be as simple as a monkey. It may not teach us anymore about living than a grizzly bear. I know myself that it exists, but until it can be observed, there is no way of knowing what it can do. It's speculation at this point. You've been hinting at bigfoot being some type of paranormal being, that is an awfully big leap to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDL Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Scientific arrogance = ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Re arizonabigfoots post - Arizonabigfoot, my intention here is to have an open platform of peoples views about what they think they might learn from BF, what they think BF might teach them. I appreciate all viewpoints. Perhaps I should not have started the thread with my viewpoint as it has changed the discourse. I ask this question about what BF can teach us, but I am extremely open to what BF can teach us and am really interested to know what people think on this. To JDL, yes, was reading some inspiring quotes from great thinkers about the nature of knowledge and opening our minds and actually came across a very old style saying hadnt heard for a long while "there are none so blind as those who will not see" - along the lines of what you have said in your post I think you may be assigning all of these mystical powers to a creature that may be as simple as a monkey. It may not teach us anymore about living than a grizzly bear. I know myself that it exists, but until it can be observed, there is no way of knowing what it can do. It's speculation at this point. You've been hinting at bigfoot being some type of paranormal being, that is an awfully big leap to make. I should add to my reply that I assign the mystical to everyone including you. What I could learn from a grizzly bear or a monkey can be limitless just as a BF or another human or a blade of grass. Edited February 24, 2012 by Encounter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehead74 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Scientific arrogance = ignorance. Metaphysical arrogance = ignorance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter O. Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Guys, Just ran across this quote on a web site when joking about a "Church of Bigfoot" on another thread... "He's a monster, he'll eat anything, alive, dead, fresh, rotten.... He's a survivor... mobile, quick, fast, and strong.... Anybody who sees a slow Sasquatch is not in the ball park.... He's got no limits, climbs any mountain, swims any river. He's got no barriers.... Not an endangered species, thats us.... He can pull down big game on the run or by stealth, like a cougar.... He can lay down a light track or spring like a deer.... Has a lot of humor, yet restraint.... Rocks cars and cabins, but lets folks go.... We agonize, he couldn't care less.... An opportunist at the top of the food chain, in great shape--he's got it made! Adapted to cutover lands, lives a good rugged existence.... He's got no need for wages, lives off the fat of the land, and pays no taxes!" -Jim Hewkin, retired fish and game professional from Oregon, quoted in: Pyle, Robert Michael. Where Bigfoot Walks: Crossing the Dark Divide. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1995, page 204. That pretty much sums up the allure of the "wild man" if you ask me. Peace, Peter Edited February 24, 2012 by Peter O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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