Guest Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Yes you can indeed ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) I think as JohnC said , there is a teacher there but to learn the student must be there also. You ask what I say I learn from a blade of grass and its so hard to begin answering if the person asking genuinely doesnt see the teachings of the grass, and the kinship in its beauty. Grass represents the harvest, transformation, abundance, universal giving, a sweet peaceful comfort to lie upon and look up at the sky and know it is a good world - when it is swept by the wind across the field it is like a green wave showing us all connected. But that is not really saying it, Im sort of skipping by it as it really is something you feel when you are aware that the nature of the earth that seems to be outside is our inner nature. Blake said, famously : "To see a world in a grain of sand, And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, And eternity in an hour." This is the infinite learning I am speaking about in all existance. Rabindrath Tagore said: " The same stream of life that runs through the world, runs through my veins night and day, and dances in rhythmic measure. It is the same life that shoots in joy through the dust of the earth into numberless blades of grass and breaks into tulmultuous waves of leaves and flowers." In his great work of prose poetry "Leaves of Grass" - Walt Whitman said: " I believe a leaf of grass is no less than the journey work of the stars. I celebrate myself, and sing myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. Clear and sweet is my soul, and clear and sweet is all that is not my soul." Thomas Jefferson said "There is not a sprig of grass that shoots uninteresting to me." All of the earths beings, all that is, is a teacher to us and its all also our home, our kin, our source of being and place to journey. It all reflects deeper things. So when I say what can BF teach us or that a blade of grass is my teacher I am thinking on the deeper and eternal teachings. Edited February 24, 2012 by Encounter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Encounter Some really deep stuff, i wish i could have met more people in my life with a mind as open as yours, it's what this world is missing! Encounter Some really deep stuff, i wish i could have met more people in my life with a mind as open as yours, it's what this world is missing! U've made gaine more fan with your speaking, or tying rather, my ausi friend *U've gained 1 more fan So deep you got me jumbling my words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knuck Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 My answer at this time is, that we have not even scratched the surface of what reality is. We have a hell of a lot of pre-conceived notions (that we take as absolutes). When really they are mearly our conceptions of what we see and experience on a daily basis in our given environment. Mankind does not have all the answers, nor will we ever know what we are meant to know until we chisel away the hard crust of hubris, and ego that we have formed around ourselves in regard to our existance. Certain beliefs, and the cultural notions and "guidelines" that those beliefs dictate for us as a species, determine how far science and overall knowledge of reality will take us. Sasquatches being a living entity, and what comes with the knowledge of this, and realizing all that they encompass, open minded study will go a long ways toward mankind seeing things as they are, as opposed to what we believe them to be. My opinion, maybe not yours. Knuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deucalion Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 The best lesson learned from this whole mystery is. GET AWAY FROM YOUR COMPUTER AND GO OUTSIDE, THE WORLD IS A WONDERFUL PLACE Just joking folks. If nothing else i have learned (by lurking on here for years) the following. Question everything, doubting is healthy, logic only applies so far, be patient and above everything else never loose your sense of humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 They can teach us that nothing in this world is as we have been taught. Nothing ? Really ? At best, this statement should be revised to "some things".. but my overall problem with the progression of this thread isnt really about your comment Sas... Encounter- you asked a question, and the very first person to attempt to answer it (Twilight Fan), gave an answer that many people including myself feel to be a legitimate answer. Your inability to accept her answer is most likely due to your worldview, which frankly is not one shared by everyone, it's what you believe. So when you make a comment like "So I know I am not going to progress this concept with you and except out of polite discussion, I find no need too", it's hard to see it as other than you politely, but also dismissively telling her "she doesnt get it". Assuming she, like myself- does not share your worldview, her opinion while being one you dont happen to agree with, is what many people believe. It would appear however from your enthusiasm of Sasfooty's response above, that your more than willing to accept opinions that mimic your own, but not so much when its a divergent opinion. You used another quote in a different post- ""there are none so blind as those who will not see" This is an argument used sometimes by those posting questionable "blobsquatch" photos, and when they get frustrated at other's "inability" to see the creature- this is the card that get's played. It does not work in that application, and I fail to see how it works discussing the subject of this thread- again, unless your asserting that those who dont see things the way you do, are the the ones who are blind. Well the simple fact is that many people fail to see the "Bigfoot" in the picture, mostly because there isnt one there. And many people do not share your "warm and fuzzy" feel good view of every living creature living in harmony with each other. In regards to the question though, I am in almost complete agreement with her (Twilight). How do you learn anything from something that you dont understand ? This isnt a debate about believer versus non-believer. The simple fact that you (or anyone) that has seen a Bigfoot walking through the woods, or even have had multiple encounters, it does not give you adequate understanding of them as a "being", to be able to accurately answer the question "what can they teach us" ? Maybe you feel it does, but many more disagree. Your attempt at answering the question about a blade of grass- its great, and I can understand fully why you might feel that way about something so simple. But the difference is that "grass" is something known to you. You have enough experience with it to be able to fashion some sort of personal theory about what it is, how it comforts you, and what place it has in the world. It is completely acceptable for her, myself, or anyone for that matter to believe that much more has to be known about Bigfoot, before we can even begin to come close to answering the question you posed. The first thing that has to be known, as she stated, is that they actually exist. If all that matters is what they can teach you, then not having scientific verification of species is not really relevant. If your going to ask the question as to what can they teach us, then its not so simple to base your answer on personal feelings and what you believe. "US" is all of us, and in order to answer that question for all of humankind, then we must start with all people being able to accept that large hairy bipeds are walking in our forests. And that is most definitely not an accepted fact at this point. How intelligent are they? Are they truly capable of anything other than rudimentary communication? Are they aware of the complexity of the outside world around them, or are they just large lumbering beasts merely eeking out a survival like most of the animal kingdom? I'm sorry, but anecdotal stories, and peoples opinions about them (Bigfoots), are sadly to most people- just that, and teach us little or nothing about the species, and how they fit into a larger World picture. It is my opinion, that without interjecting personal feelings, and a tremendous amount of supposition, your question cannot be answered at this point in time. Oh, actually now that I think about it- there is one thing I was "taught" by my own encounter with what I believe was a Bigfoot many years ago. They can be extremely territorial, and dont like adolescent boy's playing in their "living room". A lesson that I took to heart, and will remain with me for all of my days. Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Art In my opinion the best way to learn from something you don't understand is to observe it, until we are able to observe w.e is out there we will learn nothing. The main reason i joined this sight is after watching that money maker joke. Some of the tactics they utilize are pretty comical to me. I'm glad to see that there are some really intelligent people on this forum with many different viewpoints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BFSleuth Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Hail Caesar! .... and welcome to the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) The question presupposes the existance of bigfoot. Given that, what could the individual (student) not all mankind learn from bigfoot, its lifestyle, survival skills, diet, physical and mental attributes? The question as I interpret it is at least thought provoking and quite possibly profound. To devolve into a "nuts and bolt" examiniation of their intelligenge relative to ours is to miss the point. I have learned lessons in patience from a garter snake (hopefully) not my mental equal. Given what we presume to "know" about bigfoot/sasquatch, what could a reasonably perceptive person expact to garner from studying them? The garter snake didn't speak to me, assign a reading list, bore me with power point presentations, but a lesson was transmitted. I really don't see the question as so difficult to understand and after thinking about it, formulate an answer to. edited for lame typing skills Edited February 25, 2012 by John T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasfooty Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Nothing ? Really ? Yes. Really. I didn't just pop that answer out without giving it some thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spurfoot Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Humility Suffering Rejection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest krakatoa Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Conversely, from this thread BF could learn that confounding diminutive pink navel-gazers will remain easy and entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 The question presupposes the existance of bigfoot. Given that, what could the individual (student) not all mankind learn from bigfoot, its lifestyle, survival skills, diet, physical and mental attributes? The question as I interpret it is at least thought provoking and quite possibly profound. To devolve into a "nuts and bolt" examiniation of their intelligenge relative to ours is to miss the point. I have learned lessons in patience from a garter snake (hopefully) not my mental equal. Given what we presume to "know" about bigfoot/sasquatch, what could a reasonably perceptive person expact to garner from studying them? The garter snake didn't speak to me, assign a reading list, bore me with power point presentations, but a lesson was transmitted. I really don't see the question as so difficult to understand and after thinking about it, formulate an answer to. John, I understand your point perfectly, and I actually agree with most of what your saying.... The problem I have is two terms... "Presupposes the existence of Bigfoot" and "presume to know". The first I dont neccesarily have too much of a problem with, because I already believe in the existence of them. But even with that belief- the second one, "presuming to know" in regards to just about anything to do with them, is a real stretch. The information we do have is more of the "nuts and bolts" type you mention. Diet, being territorial, some possible familial structure, appearance, etc etc... I just dont think that "learning" and "teaching" can coincide with "presuming to know". The Garter Snake- is a great example, but its just like Encounter's blades of grass. You were able to sit quietly and observe the snake, which in your case taught you patience. But the Garter Snake is a known quantity. When you saw it, you probably were easily able to identify it, you knew it wasnt a venemous snake, and other information was known, that helped you in formulating how that snake fits into your world. When it comes to Bigfoot- I just dont see how there's any similarity at all. Now if you, or anyone is lucky enough to be in a position to be able to have that kind of access to them, then sure its entirely possible, probable even that you would start to build a database of information about them. Since in 99.9% of instances- thats not the case, then again I just fail to see how anyone can grab purchase on anything other than the "nuts and bolts" as you call them.... If people are able to get to that stage in their mind, with so little actual information to build a foundation on, fine. I just cannot- its not how my mind works.... Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MikeG Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Encounter- you asked a question, and the very first person to attempt to answer it (Twilight Fan), gave an answer that many people including myself feel to be a legitimate answer.Your inability to accept her answer is most likely due to your worldview.......... Thank you Art. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Conversely I see this as more of a philosophical topic and no harm in it as pondering the possibilities, is suprisingly no different than pondering the contents of the Ketchum DNA study. Both are complete unknowns at this point in time. I would say, just off the top, whether personally you've seen one or not Bigfoot polarize's ones thinking. By considering the possibility or having been confronted, either way the subject matter forces you to clarify your own internal thoughts. The forum just assists one in verbalizing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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