The Sykes / Sartori Report - Oxford-Lausanne Collateral Hominid Project

[Guest rascar capac]

Sykes is hooked, like the rest of us.

 

Which is good news, he seems to play DNA like a fiddle, when before it was all a blur.

 

There is something out there, and I'm glad Sykes is looking for it.

 

Attenborough and Goodall would approve.

[Guest]

Well, the Bigfoot Files No 3 was like the rest. Just taking the DNA and try to use Occams razor. But than, it just isnt feasible to just call Zana an african person. As the people of the area knew african slaves, there is no reason to believe that some years after the slavery, people thought of Zana as primitve because of her skin color only! She never spoke, she didnt even learn how to use silverware. She was heary. She prefered to be outside anytime and so on. 

Just a black person, doesnt make sense in that time, in that part of the world. 

 

Hard to swallow that, just looking at Skvid´s skull the night before, Sykes just comes up with another theory. They also stated it quite cryptic. "A african tribe", they never mentioned hominid or race. 

[Guest]

The fact he even mention, in passing (under his breath) of a theory..out of Africa for her...pre modern humans is the bomb (did I just type that word!)...

 

and the paper..will say..he knows..he can see the DNA and calculate via molecular clock her genetic evolution and migrations...he knows....

Edited November 4, 2013 by apehuman

[Guest]

A picture turned up some time ago purported to be of Zana's skull.  If this was Zana, she looked pretty much modern H. sapiens.  Notice the full chin and vertical forehead and no prominent brow ridges.  The so called "prognathism" just looks like buck teeth in a modern to me. 

 

I agree: that doesn't click with the story of Zana that has come down to us.  Maybe this really isn't Zana's skull, though interestingly Bourtsev at the time said that the skull looked like from a sub-Saharan modern. (I wouldn't put too much stock in Bourtsev's morphological id'ing abilities, but he may have turned out to be right on that one)  Also the cryptomundo article said the two skulls were related, presumably through their mDNA.

 

Scroll down to see the picture in the link.  http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/khwit-dna/

 

Granted, Kwhit's skull looks alot more unusual to my eye, but Grover Kratnz examined it in hand a long time ago and said it was within the  range of modern humans.

Edited November 4, 2013 by tsiatkoVS

[Guest WesT]

We already know there was something of significance found with the ancient bear DNA. It may not be significant if you're wanting him to find a big monkey. Sykes himself said that his project found no Bigfoot but I guess people would rather see it in print to believe it.

 

I'm just thinking that Bigfooters are trying to concoct a hopeful scenario out of nothing here. I'm not sure why this always happens but I have a pretty good idea of the outcome.

Actually I was refering to the peer reviewed journal and subsequent book in the works, not the TV show. The book claims a rewrite of "human history". Although I thought the ancient Polar Bear find was way cool and quite significant.

 

On a personal level, I only hope for the big chimpanzee for someone else's sake and vindication, not mine.

[Lake County Bigfooot]

The situation is, Sykes is already in our camp, he is not going to let this go, he is simply waiting for that one hair.

Maybe he already got one outside of the scope of this study, or later than the filming, that remains to be seen.

 

Whether it is this year, next, or one to follow, DNA evidence for a Relic Hominid will be documented.

 

Sasquatch and his large foot prints are here to stay, it survived this long and will long after we document it,

the question is will we ever really understand it?

Edited November 7, 2013 by Lake County Bigfooot

[Guest Llawgoch]

The situation is, Sykes is already in our camp, he is not going to let this go, he is simply waiting for that one hair.

Maybe he already got one outside of the scope of this study, or later than the filming, that remains to be seen.

 

 

Why would you say this when it runs counter to all his public pronouncements?

[Guest]

Why would you say this when it runs counter to all his public pronouncements?

Bigfootology. If they are to be believed, then the above statement should be fact.

[Guest Llawgoch]

Bigfootology. If they are to be believed, then the above statement should be fact.

 

Well then, I suppose we have to wait.  if time goes on and Sykes continues to maintain in all public statements that all he wanted to do was test the evidence out of curiosity and a desire to put to bed the canard that science will not look at it, we will know whether they are to be believed.  Personally I put more faith in what he says himself about what he thinks.

[LeafTalker]

How is the statement that science will not look at Bigfoot evidence a "canard"?

 

On the Melba Ketchum thread, a couple people are reporting that David Paulides could find only one lab willing to test his samples: Melba Ketchum's lab.

 

http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/40487-the-ketchum-report-part-3/?p=784176

 

http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/40487-the-ketchum-report-part-3/?p=784178

 

If science has been so eager to look at this phenomenon, why could Paulides find only one lab that would test his samples?

[Guest]

Science has taken some huge leaps in DNA analysis since 2008 ...  then the Sanger method..those "bars" we used to see all the time....and now with PCR amplification of a single strand of DNA makes it much quicker to produce enough to test, and the methods to read much better... each of the mfgs offer a slightly different method..but the bottom line is they can run a complete genome (known) very quickly, in a few days I guess,

 

and back then ..well it took from the late 90's to almost 2010 using the older method and many labs..the whole "genome project."  The first human genome cost..about $15mill....Interesting history really and Wikipedia is a good source..look up Sanger, Next Gen, etc and hyperlink away...   a full genome today is still about $5k or more...  but the "marker" type tests we can buy (or may one day identify BFs by) are cheap..the best under $800...with Y and mtDna...  and many, many markers.

 

In 2005 or so we knew of about 1000 genes locations..now 23,000 on the human genome..

 

Time is on our side really, and the race to be the "one BF discoverer" I hope over...unless you are still trying to get a body..or maybe that great video..but at $1,500 per sample.. (assuming he provides the depth/coverage of testing we seek) and refunded if not BF...is OK by me for now, and far ahead of where it was when I showed up in 2008.

 

Other labs did take it back then, but ran thru typical wildlife typing protocols...and often if unidentified..oh well..that's as far as it went.. a sad example is the Larry Jenkins toenail...go to Biscardi's site.. "the secret from Az" and read the pre Ketchum lab history on that sample!   Who has it now?  Does Larry want it back?  I think Alex Hearn was the last "rep" for it...not sure it's number history in the MK study..

 

But, not sure that's all that factored in Paulides choice.. I think MK's entrepreneurial spirit was a big draw for him as evidenced by his companion Sasquatch Genome Project website on his old NABS in 2011,  or her early 2010 LLC with Biscardi,  or the many copyright filings...or that first Destination Truth episode?  

 

Telling everyone she had DNA for BFs nailed in 2009 on a webcast with Paulides kept it on "high" for the next two years...argg.. I almost forgot..  EP joined in early 2010..and plunked down money, and influence..for a time...then Wally showed up I think with Justin.....  so it was one string of hopefuls after another all with the same overblown goals to own Sasquatch Discovery..thru her, and she...well.... haha , had her own plans that left each behind, eventually...

 

and BFers were easy pickens I guess... the many, many who contributed signed NDAs for the privelege (some paid $200) and got little..but those three.. Biscardi, Paulides, EP...may have deeper agreements..one of the reasons everyone's hands are apparently tied and we still can't figure out where all that great evidence went... or the footage...on moth balls?

Edited November 8, 2013 by apehuman

[Guest]

and Wally Hersom...  surely has some agreement, and a possible book about Justin and so on..

lots of future $$ counted up and on, by many for the big proof...and only debts now?  familiar story perhaps...

 

seems BFRO did well

 

(typo above..refunded IF BF DNA)

Edited November 8, 2013 by apehuman

[Guest Llawgoch]

http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/40487-the-ketchum-report-part-3/?p=784176

 

http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/40487-the-ketchum-report-part-3/?p=784178

 

If science has been so eager to look at this phenomenon, why could Paulides find only one lab that would test his samples?

 

 

I don't know why he couldn't find more.  Maybe he didn't look very hard.  DNA testing of random people's samples has nothing to do with science.  It's a paid service.  If he was willing to pay they would be willing to test.  

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Yah its really too bad that much of the possible DNA evidence got hijacked in the Ketchum study.  Yet we need to hold out hope in that Sykes is leaning our way, his conclusion of the "possibility" of Zana being from a relic hominid migration from Africa,  well as I have said all along, is opening the door.  I do not know when exactly it will happen, but rest assured, we will capture the DNA and put the world on notice.

 

I suggest the use of a tree stand, a thermal rilfle scope, and a tranquilizer dart, and patience, maybe many years of patience, but eventually we

get one down, bring in the proper individuals to document the creature, gps tag it, and release it back to the wild before it wakes up.   An alternative would be to habituate one to alcohol, and maybe some sedatives added later, but simply to tranquilize briefly and then a quick study and gps tag.

Edited November 8, 2013 by Lake County Bigfooot

[Guest Llawgoch]

Yah its really too bad that much of the possible DNA evidence got hijacked in the Ketchum study.  Yet we need to hold out hope in that Sykes is leaning our way, his conclusion of the "possibility" of Zana being from a relic hominid migration from Africa,  well as I have said all along, is opening the door.  I do not know when exactly it will happen, but rest assured, we will capture the DNA and put the world on notice.

 

I suggest the use of a tree stand, a thermal rilfle scope, and a tranquilizer dart, and patience, maybe many years of patience, but eventually we

get one down, bring in the proper individuals to document the creature, gps tag it, and release it back to the wild before it wakes up.   An alternative would be to habituate one to alcohol, and maybe some sedatives added later, but simply to tranquilize briefly and then a quick study and gps tag.

 

 

Sykes is not "leaning your way", trust me on this.  The thing is, of course, he doesn't have to be.  Nobody has to lean any way when it comes for DNA testing.  If someone can actually find a sample that comes from a Bigfoot and is willing to pay to have a lab test it, that's all that is needed.  It's helpful to have Sykes doing it for free, but I suspect he is not going to be doing that forever.

 

Please don't put too much hope on the Zana relic theory.  Even in the show they said that was very unlikely.  It was just tacked on the end to make things seem a  bit more sensational.  The fact that there were whole villages full of black Africans a couple of days walk away from where Zana was held wasn't mentioned in the show either, because it would have just made it less interesting television, if more informative.