Bears.. Are They Afraid Of Sasquatch (Top Alpha Predators)?

[Guest DWA]

...well, people who don't seem freaky in any way have reported bear-bigfoot confrontations. The results include (1) apparent predation by sasquatch on black bear and (2) grizz and brown bear taking pains to avoid confrontation with sasquatch (and vice versa).

Until someone can prove these folks are lying, well, we have a testable premise.

[Guest Graydog52]

Bigfoot is also known to have the wolf as a hunting companion. He thinks and reasons. He makes decisions about what is best for his part of the forest. I suspect Bigfoot could hunt the bear to extinction if he wanted. Bigfoot lives in harmony with the bear and will use him as a first line of defense from humans. Birds often alert Bigfoot to the presence of humans. People who know him better than most describe him as strategic genius. Treeknocking is used to triangulate your position then a group ,usually three , will escort you out of their living area. Rockbanging is used by children to alert their parents that danger is near. Never be the cause of that.

They are somewhat social. Our family units are interesting to them. There have been stories of children lost or injured who were returned in good condition to their families by a large hairy person and they never mentioned any unusual odor. Kind of makes me wonder if they can turn it on and off.We know alot about bears . We don't know a lot about Bigfoot because he doesn't want us to.

[norseman]

Most who vote bear are STILL thinking of BF as just a NA ape, I guess that would be the reason?

Our hands (humans) give us a tremendous advantage over animals, even those equipped with claws. There's so much more we can do because we have hands and thumbs. What puts us at a disadvantage is our domestication, our lack of strength (even in proportion to our weight) and our overall fragile nature.

Of course.........with the caveat that we create lethal tools for those nimble hands to hold onto. I would rather face a Squatch than 10 Homo Sapiens armed with spears and axes........no matter if that is flaked obsidian, bronze or steel technology. Humans are not fragile creatures despite modern conveniences, we inhabit every climate on earth and EXCEL there.From the tropics to the artic we are bipedal land wolves that take every kind of species both big and small and toss them into our stew pots. From whales to bears to rabbits and quail...........nothing is safe from Homo Sapien.

The problem is is that we do not see any of this sort of behavior with Squatch. No tool manufacture, no fire manufacture........nothing that makes them? US!

So why does a large ape without any of the god given lethality that a bear has (sharp teeth, claws) hold the edge? A brain is a great weapon if you choose to use it. Where is the evidence that they choose to use it? A team of Squatch armed with spears could eradicate all of the bears on the N. American continent.........but we simply do not see this type of behavior. On another note if a team of Squatch armed with spears wanted to eradicate all of the N. American natives off the continent they could have done that as well........

So the logical explanation is:

A) They do not exist.

They are much more primitive than we give them credit for.

C) They simply are not as aggressive as humans, and choose solitude and passive behavior.

D) both b and c.

I subscribe to "D".

Now if we removed those hindrances like a BF is.....there would be no land mammal we would have to fear. Imagine if our hands were hard enough to punch a bear in its head and knock it out. I personally know a guy who knocked out pit bulls by punching them in the head. Most of us couldn't do that, but this guy has large, very hard hands.

Was the pitbull 250 lbs like the large man with hard hands? Or was it the 70 lbs variety? Again.........a 800 lbs male Squatch has a serious problem with a 800-1400 lbs griz/brown bear. It's not going to be stronger.........it lacks teeth and claws, it lacks weapon manufacture........what's the edge?

When has a hunter come upon a bear kill where it is feeding on a squatch? I remember reading that in colorado there was a problem where the BF were killing grizzly however by tearing their lower jaw off. I believe the poster Knuck supplied this?

I would like to see this report. For one, the Colorado Griz is also questioned as to if they exist, or if they are misidentifications. So I would think that they US Fish and game would be sitting up and taking notice with a demise of a endangered species like that.

[NCBFr]

My thoughts on the encounter:

• The grizzly wins by ripping out the BF's throat.
  
• The BF wins by preventing 1 and either breaking the Grizzlies neck, choking it out, and/or basically pummeling it to submission similar to a report on BF killing a wild boar.
  
• There is a lot of talk about size and strength, but in this game I think quickness is the deciding factor. The BF needs to be quick enough keep the jaws away from his neck while trying to either stun or get his arms under the Grizzlys neck. The grizzly just needs to get mouth on BF head or clean swipe of head to win.
  
• Grizzly's claws will hurt BF, but not mortally unless it gets clean shot to face or neck. I suspect the rest of his hide can sustain the claws.
  

For a 10 ft. BF against a 10 ft. brown bear/grizzly (a grizzly is a type of brown bear), I will take the BF based on reports of their grace and general athleticism in addition to the size and strength.

My 2 cents.

[Guest]

It's all speculative fun anyways, but I'd say an adult male sasquatch would win in a fight against a large bear (be it grizzly, brown, etc..). He'd have many more attacking options in my opinion. He could hurl large rocks at it, swing small trees around, and if they met in close combat- the squatch has hands it can grab on and throw the bear around with. Remember, the native ameican people called sasquatch "boss of the woods", not the bear.. Just something to chew on.. It'd be an epic sight (scary, crazy, sad..).

I LOVE YOUR SIG.

[Guest]

Of course.........with the caveat that we create lethal tools for those nimble hands to hold onto. I would rather face a Squatch than 10 Homo Sapiens armed with spears and axes........no matter if that is flaked obsidian, bronze or steel technology. Humans are not fragile creatures despite modern conveniences, we inhabit every climate on earth and EXCEL there.From the tropics to the artic we are bipedal land wolves that take every kind of species both big and small and toss them into our stew pots. From whales to bears to rabbits and quail...........nothing is safe from Homo Sapien.

The problem is is that we do not see any of this sort of behavior with Squatch. No tool manufacture, no fire manufacture........nothing that makes them? US!

So why does a large ape without any of the god given lethality that a bear has (sharp teeth, claws) hold the edge? A brain is a great weapon if you choose to use it. Where is the evidence that they choose to use it? A team of Squatch armed with spears could eradicate all of the bears on the N. American continent.........but we simply do not see this type of behavior. On another note if a team of Squatch armed with spears wanted to eradicate all of the N. American natives off the continent they could have done that as well........

So the logical explanation is:

A) They do not exist.

They are much more primitive than we give them credit for.

C) They simply are not as aggressive as humans, and choose solitude and passive behavior.

D) both b and c.

I subscribe to "D".

Was the pitbull 250 lbs like the large man with hard hands? Or was it the 70 lbs variety? Again.........a 800 lbs male Squatch has a serious problem with a 800-1400 lbs griz/brown bear. It's not going to be stronger.........it lacks teeth and claws, it lacks weapon manufacture........what's the edge?

I would like to see this report. For one, the Colorado Griz is also questioned as to if they exist, or if they are misidentifications. So I would think that they US Fish and game would be sitting up and taking notice with a demise of a endangered species like that.

I really can't say would I rather face 10 armed humans or a BF...I'd think that with humans I'd at least think I have a chance. A couple of throat punches and knee kicks and things can get better. Not to mention if a person has some martial arts training. However with a 8 foot bf that's built like a bear on steroids....can I throat punch it and make it gag? Can I kick it in its package and make it double over in pain?

Though we are successful as a COMMUNITY, individually we are insanely fragile.

The evidence that they choose to use their brain is that we STILL don't have proof they exist. If they were mere apes we would have accurate documentation on them. If they were mere apes, those instances when they were watching women or kids there would be more cases of them attacking and getting killed. I think the fact we have no solid evidence of them or none in captivity is PLENTY proof they are (so as not to offend or scare anyone) at least as smart as us, just in a different manner.

I'd say a squatch has a good chance of being stronger than a bear, there's two different physiques and adaptations. The BF is bipedal and has hands giving it leverage. God forbid it actually understands leverage! What if they're smart enough to simply pick up a large rock or branch and beat the bear to death? Even a gorilla will do something like this.

Do we know how large the squatch mouth is and how powerful its bite is? For all we know they may bite the bear in its neck!

I still ask you, If you weighed 800lbs, could lift tractor tires and had hands like boulders, could you kill a bear?

My thoughts on the encounter:

• The grizzly wins by ripping out the BF's throat.
  
• The BF wins by preventing 1 and either breaking the Grizzlies neck, choking it out, and/or basically pummeling it to submission similar to a report on BF killing a wild boar.
  
• There is a lot of talk about size and strength, but in this game I think quickness is the deciding factor. The BF needs to be quick enough keep the jaws away from his neck while trying to either stun or get his arms under the Grizzlys neck. The grizzly just needs to get mouth on BF head or clean swipe of head to win.
  
• Grizzly's claws will hurt BF, but not mortally unless it gets clean shot to face or neck. I suspect the rest of his hide can sustain the claws.
  

For a 10 ft. BF against a 10 ft. brown bear/grizzly (a grizzly is a type of brown bear), I will take the BF based on reports of their grace and general athleticism in addition to the size and strength.

My 2 cents.

Does a BF even have enough throat for a bear to rip it out? Though it probably doesn't matter because bears kill people by attacking and biting our head area. Would they be able to do this with a BF is the question?

[Guest]

I still ask you, If you weighed 800lbs, could lift tractor tires and had hands like boulders, could you kill a bear?

^^ Black bear or small grizz - maybe. Large grizz (800+ lbs) - no way. Very large grizz (1400 lb) - you have to be kidding. You simply don't give up 500-600 lbs and win.

Like norseman asked - the guy who knocked out a pitbull, was it a normal 70 lb dog? or was it a 200+ lb dog? A person can lift and manhandle a 70lb dog - not so much with a 200 lb dog. Now, swap that dog out for something that has longer, sharper claws attached to more limber arms in addition to the jaws and teeth and see what you can do.

But this thread is not about what a person could do against a bear. Like I said before - I think they do what they need to avoid each other. Most animals are not out looking for a fight which can cause unnecessary injury and waste enegery. I also think that bears (and possibly/probably BF) are much more omnivorous than people give them credit for.

[Whistler]

We can argue about this crazy subject all year, but my money would still be on the Sasquatch- I'll repeat myself from earlier. There's a reason the Native American people called Sasquatch "The Boss of the Woods", and not the bear.. That, along with the reports of bears supposedly running away from Sasquatch and I'm sold...

[norseman]

Just for giggles I googled the encounter and came up with another forum with the exact same subject:

http://www.unexplain...pic=136993&st=0

Grizzly: 42 votes

Squatch: 14 votes

Thor: 15 votes

I have no idea how Thor made it into their poll, but excluding the thunder god, Griz wins.

Edited February 26, 2013 by norseman

[Guest]

I did that the other day too norseman. I decided against entering it as evidence, but thought the Thor thing was funny. I also noticed that the people on that forum also 'know' quite a bit about a yet un-proven primate, although they don't hold it in as high of esteem as some here do. Heck, they even think that Thor beats BF.

[norseman]

I really can't say would I rather face 10 armed humans or a BF...I'd think that with humans I'd at least think I have a chance. A couple of throat punches and knee kicks and things can get better. Not to mention if a person has some martial arts training. However with a 8 foot bf that's built like a bear on steroids....can I throat punch it and make it gag? Can I kick it in its package and make it double over in pain?

Though we are successful as a COMMUNITY, individually we are insanely fragile.

I don't agree. If we were insanely fragile we would not be the most successful mammal to ever grace the surface of the earth. During the Pleistocene era our numbers were very low, and before that even lower with other species of hominids. Today our species numbers 7 billion.......we didn't get there by being a constant staple on the predator's menu. We filled the niche of top predator. And that holds true no matter where we went on earth.

The evidence that they choose to use their brain is that we STILL don't have proof they exist. If they were mere apes we would have accurate documentation on them. If they were mere apes, those instances when they were watching women or kids there would be more cases of them attacking and getting killed. I think the fact we have no solid evidence of them or none in captivity is PLENTY proof they are (so as not to offend or scare anyone) at least as smart as us, just in a different manner.

But that defeats your own argument. You've already said that you would rather face 10 homo sapiens armed with spears than one Squatch. If Squatch was that formidable and that smart? We would not be the top species on the continent.......they would be. We would be naked hiding out in the mountains while they enjoyed living on prime, rich valleys and river ways.

You cannot have it both ways. Strong AND smart defeats weak and smart every time. Therefore? Logic dictates that they are no where near as smart as we are. And yes a nocturnal, passive, shy APE with a low population density could have eluded us. That's how they diffused the situation with us They stay out of our way, they give ground, they are non confrontational.........and yet this same animal rips apart a Grizzly bear? Very hard to wrap my head around. The Griz population is in the condition it is in BECAUSE it's confrontational....... aggressive, territorial and a threat to humanity. It's a half ton buzz saw wrecking machine towards a human.

So if a Squatch kills Grizzly bears with impunity, and a Grizzly bear kills humans with impunity? Then Why doesn't a Squatch kill a human with impunity? Why don't we observe this? Why do humans get a free pass? Sure there are some tales of Squatch's killing humans.........but no where near the evidence of Griz killing humans........this is a yearly occurance from Alaska to Wyoming.

I don't think you know the Squatch as well as you think you do.

I'd say a squatch has a good chance of being stronger than a bear, there's two different physiques and adaptations. The BF is bipedal and has hands giving it leverage. God forbid it actually understands leverage! What if they're smart enough to simply pick up a large rock or branch and beat the bear to death? Even a gorilla will do something like this.

Do we know how large the squatch mouth is and how powerful its bite is? For all we know they may bite the bear in its neck!

I still ask you, If you weighed 800lbs, could lift tractor tires and had hands like boulders, could you kill a bear?

No. I could not kill a full size Brown bear if I was 800 lbs.......not without some serious weapons. Something long and sharp. If the bear was determined......I would die.

Does a BF even have enough throat for a bear to rip it out? Though it probably doesn't matter because bears kill people by attacking and biting our head area. Would they be able to do this with a BF is the question?

Well a freakin giant bear certainly doesn't have a neck either. But what he does have that a Squatch doesn't is a protruding snout loaded full of very large sharp teeth.

I certainly know which animal I would rather get bitten by.......and it ain't the freakin Griz..........that's for sure.

We can argue about this crazy subject all year, but my money would still be on the Sasquatch- I'll repeat myself from earlier. There's a reason the Native American people called Sasquatch "The Boss of the Woods", and not the bear.. That, along with the reports of bears supposedly running away from Sasquatch and I'm sold...

Evidently these Indians did not live on Kodiak Island nor coastal Alaska or Siberia..........

And I know of ONE story of a Brown bear running away from a Sasquatch, and we are not even positive why the bear ran away. Maybe the bear ran away when he winded the humans in the boat........which by the way is a popular hunting tactic in SE Alaska.

[Guest Cervelo]

He ran away because it was on two legs and that meant little one with boom stick.

[Skookum Chuck]

I've never seen a bigfoot throw down. But I have seen Griz fight on you tube and I vote Griz. Three words......absolute prolonged fury. In the vids I saw the griz were extracting large chunks of hair/flesh from each other repeatedly via claws and teeth. Could a Bigfoot hide take such punishment and still deliver a killing blow?

[Guest]

I can remember 6 years ago when some bears disappeared before the Jacobs juvenile Sasquatch showed up and they never came back for the bait. Something killed or scared them because the camera was idle for days. That's pretty odd when they should of been getting fat for winter especially when the bait

remained there.

[Guest]

Interesting thread, my thanks to the original poster...

The question is whether or not bears are afraid of monkees? It would seem to me the question is do animals feel "fear" in the manner humans understand? My guess is no, but I'm not a big fan of anthropomorphizing. That being said, I think a safe guess is they are both big predators, so avoid proximity that might trigger fight or flight response. Unlike humans, animals generally don't fight for the hell of it, although I've seen predators kill prey animals for the hell of it.

Now which animal wins a fight? Now we're talking some interesting speculation. Big animals are physically tough. Any of the other hunters here can back me up on this. Bears are dense and have thick hide & fur. Even big prey animals like elk & moose are built like a garbage truck. The thickness of either's hide and density of their muscle is hard to convey to those who haven't witnessed it. Punching the shoulder of a dead elk, moose, or bear is like punching one of the big cottonwoods behind my barn...

Bearing in mind we don't know all that much about monkees compared to any other big predator currently operational, my guess is were a big grizzly or brownie to fight a more or less equally heavy/sized monkee, the bear probably would win most of the time. My thought is that the big bears (not blacks, who can get ugly if it's going their way) are wired to be aggressive. I was once told by a biologist why they think they evolved this way, but it would take a lot of bandwidth. Big bear attacks resulting in mauling or human fatalities are pretty common, and an earlier poster put up some pics of the result of bear on bear fights that would turn some stomachs, showing that they fight between themselves often, and are amazingly tough animals. They are built for the fight, where it seems monkees are more built for survival by way of hiding & flight...