Guest Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I gather that this is being discussed on the Premium side but I haven't seen anything in the general forum so I've decided to bring it up. Details are starting to come out about "Round 2" of the TBRC's long term study in Area X. There appears to be over 30 witnesses that have experienced sightings, massive amounts of rock throwing, tree knocking, vocalizations and just about every type of interaction you could have with a Wood Ape, short of one attacking someone. So I'm curious, has anyone else had a chance to hear about these amazing interactions, and what are your thoughts? If you haven't, episodes 38 and 39 of "The Bigfoot Show" podcast go into great detail, and provide some interesting personal accounts.
Guest BFSleuth Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Yes, this is being discussed in the PMP. In the general forum, in the Media forum, this is being discussed as part of the Bigfoot Show thread. Absolutely fascinating stuff. I strongly encourage folks to join the PMP to take part in some very interesting discussions like this project.
Guest Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Yeah I'm joining as soon as I get my PayPal account back in order. Gotta get on it.
Guest Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 A bit off topic (apologies) but there are Bigfoot podcasts? I suppose it's naive of me to be surprised, there are podcasts about everything else after all. Are any of these available on Spreaker or anywhere, or are they strictly on iTunes? Are there radio shows online etc too? Sorry, just still fairly new to this stuff
Guest BFSleuth Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Yes, if you check out the Internet Radio / Podcasts part of the forum there are a number of them listed and discussed. Most I just listen to on my computer, no need for iTunes or anything like that.
Guest OntarioSquatch Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 From what I've heard, they are loaded and ready to collect a type specimen. In fact they already shot one some time ago, but it got away.
HOLDMYBEER Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Eleven teams over the course of months... claiming 11+ hard sightings, several dozen rock-throwing episodes, innumerable tree knocks and 'bipedal' sounds.... hundreds of events cataloged during the collection of gigabytes of data, thousands of hours of photographic data. I look forward to seeing a photograph.
Guest Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Soon, I hope for the photos. Will have to check out the podcasts in the meantime!
Guest Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) So, I am in the middle of listening to BS ep. 39, and I am struck by something: the TBRC members are pushing the notion that what they are observing strictly exhibits ape behaviors - yet they detail elsewhere how the creatures somehow detected and moved cameras in what I would call an intelligent way. ??? Another detail that strikes me as less than "apelike" is the tossing back and forth of stones with these wild wood apes. Could gorilla or chimp researchers play such a game with those wild apes, or does that hint at something closer to human intelligence? (honest question) I guess I have to readily admit that I have not been in the "ape" camp for some time, as the bipedal locomotion, human-like morphology (if Patty is any real indication), and continued evasion of detection (even when using cutting edge technology) seems to indicate to me something closer to human (but definitely not modern human)... I am open minded to the reality of these things, whatever that might be, but some aspects of purported behaviors just don't jibe with "ape" in my mind. Perhaps that is due to my own ignorance, as I am certainly NOT a primate specialist or an anthropologist. They also mentioned "counting up" their human persuers. Does not sound apeish to me, though many of their behaviors are no doubt ape-like. Hopefully some more knowledgable members here can help me see the errors in my thinking. I can't wait to hear more from the TBRC as far as data that they are NOT talking about, holding back, or yet have yet to collate. Edited August 28, 2012 by notgiganto
Guest Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Is this the follow up to "Operation Endurance"? The one where someone nailed one with a shotgun but didn't kill it?
Hairy Man Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 So, I am in the middle of listening to BS ep. 39, and I am struck by something: the TBRC members are pushing the notion that what they are observing strictly exhibits ape behaviors - yet they detail elsewhere how the creatures somehow detected and moved cameras in what I would call an intelligent way. ??? Another detail that strikes me as less than "apelike" is the tossing back and forth of stones with these wild wood apes. Could gorilla or chimp researchers play such a game with those wild apes, or does that hint at something closer to human intelligence? (honest question) I guess I have to readily admit that I have not been in the "ape" camp for some time, as the bipedal locomotion, human-like morphology (if Patty is any real indication), and continued evasion of detection (even when using cutting edge technology) seems to indicate to me something closer to human (but definitely not modern human)... I am open minded to the reality of these things, whatever that might be, but some aspects of purported behaviors just don't jibe with "ape" in my mind. Perhaps that is due to my own ignorance, as I am certainly NOT a primate specialist or an anthropologist. They also mentioned "counting up" their human persuers. Does not sound apeish to me, though many of their behaviors are no doubt ape-like. Hopefully some more knowledgable members here can help me see the errors in my thinking. I can't wait to hear more from the TBRC as far as data that they are NOT talking about, holding back, or yet have yet to collate. You always have the most thoughtful posts... Everyone should read "In the Shadow of Man" by Jane Goodall. Those chimps recognized camera lenses and were disturbed by them...but not by glass bottles stuck in the same holes. Animals are amazing creatures and it's in our nature to want to ascribe human aspects to them. We simply can't help it and I do it all the time with my dogs. Yes, Mulder..this is a follow up to Operation Endurance. And yes, they took a shot at one last year and did not obtain a specimen.
Guest Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 ...yet they detail elsewhere how the creatures somehow detected and moved cameras in what I would call an intelligent way. ??? As Kathy pointed out, other primates can identify cameras as can animals such as wolves. In the case of the wood apes, they have hands and know how to use them. I don't think I'd say they move them in an intelligent way. They mess with them from behind, twisting them and pushing them down when they can. However they do it, they don't like cameras and tend to avoid them. We're still not sure why. Another detail that strikes me as less than "apelike" is the tossing back and forth of stones with these wild wood apes. Could gorilla or chimp researchers play such a game with those wild apes, or does that hint at something closer to human intelligence? (honest question) Rock tossing is classic ape behavior. Chimps will throw them back and forth at eachother. I guess I have to readily admit that I have not been in the "ape" camp for some time, as the bipedal locomotion, human-like morphology (if Patty is any real indication), and continued evasion of detection (even when using cutting edge technology) seems to indicate to me something closer to human (but definitely not modern human)... I am open minded to the reality of these things, whatever that might be, but some aspects of purported behaviors just don't jibe with "ape" in my mind. Perhaps that is due to my own ignorance, as I am certainly NOT a primate specialist or an anthropologist. Morphology isn't what makes an animal human. They have to exhibit certain traits including the making of purpose-built tools and the exchange of culture. These are really smart primates, but not so much smarter than other large animals of their kind. Chimps, gorillas, and orangs are all very intelligent animals, but none of them are human. The wood apes don't exhibit any human-like traits that we've observed. They exhibit many ape-like traits, though. They also mentioned "counting up" their human persuers. Does not sound apeish to me, though many of their behaviors are no doubt ape-like. Again, chimps in particular are very able tacticians. They even go to war with each other. They certainly have the mental faculties to "count up" their adversaries. I can't wait to hear more from the TBRC as far as data that they are NOT talking about, holding back, or yet have yet to collate. To be sure, there are things we haven't disclosed, but there is more to come as we continue to examine the data we collected.
Guest Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) Just to be clear, so far they have not claimed to have photographic evidence. The photos in question are all the trail cam data that has not been sorted through yet. Brian Brown mentions this on the podcast. The annoying thing is that I wonder if they will release a photo if they have one. They know the skepticism is so high that releasing even a pretty good photo would be dismissed by most as a hoax. Could any TBRC members comment on this? Would you release a good photo if you in fact did get one this summer? Edited August 28, 2012 by orangpendeck
Guest VioletX Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Is this the follow up to "Operation Endurance"? The one where someone nailed one with a shotgun but didn't kill it? This just does not bode well for future relations. If Sasquatch are as intelligent as some say and they realize that the stakes have gone higher and more are out to kill them than before, I wonder what the impact will be. Well, I realize this has been said before...nothing to do now, just see how it all bears out.
indiefoot Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 bipto, Do you guys have any evidence of them using language?
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