Study Shows Sasquatch Intelligence Impossible Without Fire.

[ShadowBorn]

http://naturalcommunitiesmag.com/2010/05/21/we-can-reverse-and-prevent-cancers/

one of the reason why we cook meat is because of Bactria that is in the meat.

http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/survival/wilderness/eating-raw-meat.htm

Other then that we could still eat meat raw as we once did in our past.

[Guest Transformer]

I think so. It's not so much the day to day issues because the brain will steal from the body to support itself. Think Auschwitz or other circumstances where humans are in situations of starvation.

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Good point. But according to the way I read the study the amount of food that would be needed to supply the larger brain would require a very high daily production of caloric energy. Would the primate be able to not only meet this high requirement but actually exceed it it substantially enough to gain back weight without the benefit of cooked food even in the "good times"? When I look at the time required for un-cooked food intake as being 9 hours a day for a primate to support a substantially smaller brain than human I have to wonder when the capacity for intake/digestion and the need for rest would become insurmountable.

Its not a link- its a book. I mentioned it earlier: "Nutrition and Physical Degradation" by Dr. Weston Price. Its available on Amazon. When it came out, it put the medical industry right on its ear. Basically Dr. Price examined the diets and health of aboriginals that were still using traditional diets. He's got the photos to back up his claims. If you really think cooked food takes less energy to digest and its better for you, you might want to read this book.

If you eat raw foods, your stomach will tell your brain you are full faster. Try it sometime.

The bait might be better for you than what happens to the enzymes and helpful bacteria after its been cooked

I've been eating raw eggs (90% of the eggs I have eaten in the last 3 years are raw) and meat for several years. Other than having to overcome my own programming, no ill effects, in fact I feel better. One thing that is a lot better is my memory... but try this link:http://www.wewant2live.com

Sure. I don't seem to need nearly as much food as when I was eating more cooked.

However something you need to keep in mind. Humans apparently arrested their physical adaptations about two glacial ice retreats previously. Our adaptation is our brains, which allow us to adapt to all sorts of environments (or destroy them...). BF did not take that path. They are extremely good at camouflage, and modern humans are extremely unaware in the forest. The combination is great for BF, which I theorize is actively trying to avoid us for a reason.

Until I read the book or find some sort of rebuttal or confirmation of the author's ideas we will have to agree to disagree.

http://naturalcommun...revent-cancers/

one of the reason why we cook meat is because of Bactria that is in the meat.

http://adventure.how...ng-raw-meat.htm

Other then that we could still eat meat raw as we once did in our past.

I think that what is being missed is that the digestion of raw meat in primates is very inefficient. Cooking really speeds up the digestion of meat so we get the energy faster and can eat more sooner and get more energy in a shorter period of time.

[Guest]

You are assuming the metabolism is the same, but if you go with that assumption, then you are looking at probably an average of 6000 calories per day for a sasquatch. Now combine that with constant movement looking for food and the caloric intake increases. What food source provides the most calories? For us that would be fatty foods but for a sasquatch it might be leafy green vegies like cat tail roots and watercress, nuts, insects, rodents, grubs, things that might not get noticed as missing if taken in abundance. In other words, there are plenty of things in the wild that would meet a sasquatch's needs if he is omnivorous and not picky.

[Guest Transformer]

Hey!!!! This has been fun! Thank you for the well thought out and polite debate! This sure beats speculation about who is doing what to whom and why.

I've tried to answer each question or point as it has come up and if I was not as polite sounding as you all were to me I apologize and give as an excuse that I was going as fast as I could and my curtness was a result of my need for speed.

See ya later!

[salubrious]

Hey!!!! This has been fun! Thank you for the well thought out and polite debate! This sure beats speculation about who is doing what to whom and why.

I've tried to answer each question or point as it has come up and if I was not as polite sounding as you all were to me I apologize and give as an excuse that I was going as fast as I could and my curtness was a result of my need for speed.

See ya later!

Don't forget to look up that link I posted. Have a good weekend.

[Guest Kronprinz Adam]

The other way around...fire is not possible without intelligence!! It seems Bigfoot does not need fire, boats, spears, winter jackets and kitchens. It seems he's doing well without these tools and devices...

[Guest wudewasa]

How can this be related to sasquatch, when there is no body to analyze brain size to body mass? WAIT WAIT there is DNA available, yeah yeah THAT can determine this- NOT!

[indiefoot]

Would the natural breaking down of tissues by putrification accomplish the same thing as cooking? Rotted meat is a smell that is often associated with BF.

Edited October 27, 2012 by indiefoot

[Guest OntarioSquatch]

We don't know for sure what a Sasquatch's evolutionary history is like.

[Guest]

Fire denatures proteins making it easier to hydrolyze into amino acids. It doesn't add kcals. To have any added nutritive value something would have to be added to the meat, like frying it in butter, or covering it in sauce. To denature the proteins is only going to make it easier for the body to get the building blocks it needs to grow and mend.

Getting better nutrition is going to allow the organism to better achieve its genetic potential. An example of what improved nutrition can do for growth can be seen in the increased size in the population of the United States since the country was founded. Has anyone ever gone to the Smithsonian and walked through the Hall of Presidents and noticed how small the artifacts are compared to now? Each generation has increased in height due to better nutrition.

But just having access to better nutrition isn't going to make you develop in a way that is not part of your genetic makeup, nor is getting adequate nutrition going to mutate your DNA to develop in ways it normally wouldn't. It is only going to allow you to meet your genetic potential.

Unless I read it wrong it seems to say that being able to digest food more easily lead to extra kcals the body didn't require to use for energy - thus allowing for a growth spurt. But if that is how it really works then we wouldn't see morbid obesity in populations today would we? Certainly modern man has not reached its limit in genetic potential for the extra kcals to have nothing left to do but increase adipose tissue.

[Guest]

No, no, I'm not saying that at all Ginger. Nutrition does increase growth, but it also increases the growth and connections of neurons within the brain without necessarily increasing volume. That was the other inaccuracy in the paper that I noticed relating to increased brain volume as an indicator for intelligence. The best that good nutrition can do is allow you to meet your genetic potential and to also pass on that genetic potential to your progeny. If you can figure out a strategy to avoid cyclic famine, whether that is with fire or some other compensatory mechanism, then you have guaranteed that your species will thrive and survive.

Obesity is also an indication of poor nutrition, rather than the opposite. It is a metabolic adaptationfor humans to be able survive those winters when food sources may not be available. I wonder if that has anything to do with the discrepancy that you hear of in reports related to the sasquatch's body size? It would be interesting if that was correlated to season.

Edited October 27, 2012 by CTfoot

[Guest]

Transformer- personage has a lot to do with it. Intelligence is related to way animals are classified. Without intelligence "personage" would/ could probanly not be achevieved. What does "personabe" have to do with cooking meat or not, how many nuetrons a BF has compared to us per say, intelligence? Read the website I offered up in my previous post and you may find out how intelligence is classified.

I will say this though, that without a developed and/or large brain no matter how many neutrons BF has or if they don't cook meat or not, intelligence has a standard that derived upon a set of measured studies. See non-humanrights.org. Thank you sir, good topic.

[Guest]

Oh, CTfoot, I didn't mean your post when I made the comment - I meant the article. I totally agree with what you are saying. You are right - in my very humble opinion anyway.

You are also correct regarding obesity due to overnutrition as truly a form of malnourishment. I was just trying not to create a long post that would bore folk so I didn't go into detail. Certainly obesity we are seeing isn't from overly GOOD VALUE nutrition, but it isn't totally due to hollow kcals either. It is such a complicated web of events that I think the article is making it far to simple.

When I was researching nutrition issues in the Inuit Nation, First Nation, and the Samoan peoples I became very fascinated with the Thrifty Gene hypothesis. It is far more than just overnutrition of poor quality nutrients, it is the ease of obtaining the food, the ease in digesting the food, the fact it isn't native diet, the processing of the food, the environment, the list goes on and on.

And, at the risk of droning on... the Inuit Nation evidence really makes me wonder in regards to this article because when I researched what a native Inuit diet consisted of it contained raw whale meat and consumption of whale fat - I have a wonderful whale fat ice cream recipe to share:) Just to say many times heat was not used to denature proteins in modern peoples.

And, to risk boring more... I have wondered if the lack of adequate, or at least IDEAL nutrition could be a reason for a low BF population (if they exist) - in part anyway. I wonder this because the modern human population was scant until the industrial revolution when people started to move into "city" type communities, life became "better" (or at least easier), which allowed for better survival rates. It was easier to obtain nutrition and shelter.

Okay, I shall step off my soapbox now Thanks for listening.

[HOLDMYBEER]

Congratulations on a great thread. So to those of you that have knowledge on this topic, does the above take into account the chance that a sasquatch-like creature could have a different set of digestive enzymes or a different complement of gut bacteria that might allow more efficient digestion and thereby meet its needs? Maybe that was covered in the above but just didn't sink in.

And like Indie asked above, could a specialization for putrified food sources be a game-changer in homo nutrition? I have some terriers that seem to have a taste for putrified vermin......not only do they eat it but they seem to keep it down without problem.

[Guest thermalman]

We hear about animal intelligence all the time, and yet, none of those credited with the term can make or need fire to survive.