Using Robert Morgan's Methods For An Encounter

[Guest Rick1013]

I've got the book and have read it several times. I have personally concluded that sasquatch are more human than ape, based on many Native American legends of interactions with them, so Morgan's approach appeals to me.

I think that sasquatch respond to the intent or heart of the people they encounter and that Morgan's approach is a sound one. In my case though, that's to be determnined as I have not had an encounter of my own.

[BobbyO]

Where can one find it?

And would anyone care to share an example of his methods ?

[MIB]

I read it a long time ago. I think it is essentially garbage. He's presenting an arcane ritual you're supposed to put your faith in and follow blindly to the letter rather than sharing knowledge of the mechanisms that make the ritual work and letting you figure out your own way to apply them.

MIB

[Guest]

BobbyO I think it terms of how applied my best answer is to read what I wrote in Habituating thread.. Some of the information Morgan presents is very practical, and includes conventional BF wisdom, but primarily it is known for it's recommendations to a researcher to invite interaction via food/music/interesting and non-threatening behaviors. A modified Goodall approach perhaps.. a habituation approach...sorry so many associate that word with something other than a method..anyway..

Where that takes one, and how they document the encounters is right in line with most attempts to gather evidence and maybe a little more careful with respect to one area one group of BFs... I do think the "faith" part is true of any BF enthusiast . as for anyone who goes looking based on the witness of others, whoever they are...

and in that...yes, faith is required to get past the feeling extremely stupid..until you don't...and then...well, those stories abound..although they too reach this limit all seem to reach..maybe just faster!

Edited April 13, 2013 by apehuman

[BobbyO]

Thanks ah..

[norseman]

BobbyO I think it terms of how applied my best answer is to read what I wrote in Habituating thread.. Some of the information Morgan presents is very practical, and includes conventional BF wisdom, but primarily it is known for it's recommendations to a researcher to invite interaction via food/music/interesting and non-threatening behaviors. A modified Goodall approach perhaps.. a habituation approach...sorry so many associate that word with something other than a method..anyway..

Where that takes one, and how they document the encounters is right in line with most attempts to gather evidence and maybe a little more careful with respect to one area one group of BFs... I do think the "faith" part is true of any BF enthusiast . as for anyone who goes looking based on the witness of others, whoever they are...

and in that...yes, faith is required to get past the feeling extremely stupid..until you don't...and then...well, those stories abound..although they too reach this limit all seem to reach..maybe just faster!

I call this the Bobo approach.

[Guest]

He is basically speaking of 2 overwhelming things.

1) To become as "in tune" with nature and your surroundings as much as you can.

2) To not act like a typical human. Lot of radio chatter, trying to sneak up on one, having a gun, blundering out into the area. Not constantly putting something up to your face. In other words, NOT doing what they do on Finding Bigfoot.

Edited April 14, 2013 by Guitarman

[MIB]

The whole "having a gun" thing is where I stop taking monday morning armchair experts seriously. I can only think of possibly one time when I've had interaction with sasquatch when I did NOT have a gun. That part of RM's religion is an epic fail.

MIB

[NathanFooter]

Well , I had an encounter in 2010 when me and a family member headed back to spot right after he said a loud vocal sounded off near where he was near this property , we got back in there with a spot light and 2 rifles { I do not use light anymore and the guns where for just in case something came at us } and when the screamer came into to about 35 to 40 yards we had the spotlight ready. Well when we pulled the guns off our shoulders this thing started grunting , growling and stomping around pacing a halfe circle around us in the treeline. I aimed the spotlight at the direction of the grunting and stomping and could see nothing due to all the thick aspen and maple and I would say I was off target of this things location by about 10 degrees, well the second the light hit the trees this thing bolted and everytime it's feet hit the ground you could here small branchs breaking and really loud impact sounds of what I am sure where it's footfalls that quikley became distant.

We both where shaking , I remember how much the spotlight bobbed around when I was trying to hold it still and we both looked at each other and blurted out that we need to leave. LOL we walked back the whole way looking over our shoulders with our guns in had and waving the spotlight like a laser pointer and just when we reached the property edge near the road when we heard 2 loud whoops come from way back in there and they echoed for what felt like miles. I again was over welmbed with pitted fear and I threw up { sorry , it sounds gross I know } and paniced and said , , lets run to the road ! ,,.

We made it to the road and left from there for home and when we got there we where trying to talk to my parents about what had happened and we where both still so freaked that we could not expliane what had happened without sounding like crazy people.

Since then I read Morgans book and I remembered that night and about the moment the guns came off our arms, I am a deer hunter my self and I believe that they know what guns are and what they can do.

They have seen hunters lift guns up toward deer, pull the trigger and drop an animal. To them it may look like a hunter is a danger and a food thief. This maybe the reason that hunters and guys in camo with guns most often get escorted and pushed out with the use of branch breaking and other strength displays.

But with all that said , I think carrying a gun { such as a small pistol } is a good idea but I would make it blend with my clothing and make sure it would be kinda slim and not budging out easy to make out. For me it is the same about what clothing I wear , I no longer wear hunting camo or camo packs , I now wear performance clothing with lots of internal pockets and spaces and all of my field clothes a dark solid colors such as OD greens , deep earthy browns , greys and blacks.

I was told by a good friend and fellow researcher ,, look like a hunter and you get treated and viewed as a hunter. ,, I now have no doubt that this is true.

[LeafTalker]

The whole "having a gun" thing is where I stop taking monday morning armchair experts seriously. I can only think of possibly one time when I've had interaction with sasquatch when I did NOT have a gun. That part of RM's religion is an epic fail.

Here are two bios of Robert Morgan, one from a radio interview, and one from Amazon:

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"Robert W. Morgan had his first Bigfoot sighting in 1957 and began full time research into the creatures in 1969. He has been involved in numerous expeditions to find Bigfoot, and in 1974, he founded the American Anthropological Research Foundation."

"Since he saw his first Sasquatch in 1957 in Mason County Washington, Robert W. Morgan has traveled the world seeking more information about the beings he calls Forest Giants. His search has led him to Native Americans and their legends, a Tibetan lama, and expeditions to the forests of Washington State, sometimes alone, sometimes in groups. He has had encounters with these beings, which he believes are True Human Beings. Morgan resides in Whitefish, Montana, where he spends the winter months writing. Summertime is reserved for more adventures."

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That doesn't sound like a "monday morning armchair expert" to me. Nor does he sound like a pastor of a church.

Also, I think that, like Rick1013 said above, the Sasquatch know a lot about who you are, regardless of what you're carrying.

So I think you and Nathan are right, a weapon is not a deal-killer. It's just not a good idea to carry one if you are a fearful (and aggressive) person in the woods. The combination of fear-plus-weapon doesn't seem to appeal to BF.

Edited April 15, 2013 by LeafTalker

[MIB]

I think you got my point despite me not making it very well. A gun is just a tool .. a lever of sorts. A calm, centered person puts no pressure on the lever so it has no effect. Add a gun and a scared person becomes a dangerous scared person. I think they're really good at reading our body language, at reading our comfort in the woods, the likelihood we'll react instinctively from fear vs curiosity.

I'm leery of absolutes, particularly absolutes with no explanation, just ritual.

[Guest]

I too had a concealed weapon during an important and friendly interaction, and always had one where I slept...(bear spray on the trail) ....and more than once awoke to the sound of footsteps running off, from a peek in the windows I assume at night..while sleeping....so, they do seem to distinguish at a fine level the item and the person wielding it? I never shot it, or showed any interest in it, except it was at the ready at night in the tent...after that friendly interaction, I abandoned the gun on my person ...I realized I had no ability to shoot it at them...in time anyway...

Edited April 16, 2013 by apehuman

[georgerm]

BFs seem to mock charge and have read few reports where they have harmed someone. In fact, the only report of BF killing a man was when he shot the BF with a rifle. He was ripped to shreds in front of the women he was guiding. The Forest Service investigators claimed a bear did it. He probably had a bolt action and did not need to shoot the BF since it simply walked onto the trail and faced them.

Maybe the rule of thumb is if you fear BF don't go looking for it.

[Guest]

I recently bought his book per NathanFooter's recommendation and look forward to trying out some of these methods in the future! His approach seems familiar to me since a great deal of my understanding of sasquatch comes from the years I lived and worked for the Lummi Nation.

In fact, as Rick pointed out to me, Robert Morgan credits Chatascatum of the Lummi Nation in the acknowledgements section of his book. Although Chatascatum (Kenneth Cooper) died suddenly just a couple days before I was to meet him, I was engaged to his first cousin and knew his story and reputation well. Chatascatum was a well loved and highly respected spiritual and cultural leader of the tribe, and a former Tribal Police Officer who had a publicized encounter with sasquatch on Lummi Tribal land back in the 70's. He had been cruising near a dump when he encountered sasquatch along the road. It paralleled his patrol car, screaming at him. He actually called back to dispatch on his radio and they recorded the screams in the office. He had a second encounter within a few days in the same area. This corresponded to a rash of sightings by tribal members around the dump area and raids on smokehouses full of curing salmon, including a smokehouse in which the door had been completely wrenched right off it's hinges.

I saw his story featured on a mystery show when I was only 8 or 9 and it had a huge impact on me. I never forgot the it and felt it was one of the most credible sightings I had heard. Interestingly, it was only after several years of living with the Lummis and my fiancee that I finally put the pieces together and realized Chatascatum was the officer from that show! Unfortunately, he died less than a week later. What I would've given to be able to sit down with him. Just thought it was an interesting coincidence that he happened to be one of the influences on Robert Morgan!

[Guest]

nice post, thanks. odd twist of fate, sorry about that.