Rick Dyer Again

[Guest miller44]

Quick update:

I just got back from the sight where all of this happened. I need to gather all if the info I collected and will report back on this thread. It will be an hour or two so please bear with me.

As ever we are all ears when you report form the field! Thanks again for the leg work!

Friend of RD on FB? I don't even pretend to know all the players in the BF game. Everybody seems to dis everybody else.

Hehe, this has been a halmark of the BF community since time immamorial. I'll never forget that great story about the 1st BF Conference at the University of British Columbia back in the 70's. Rene Dehinden and Peter Byrne at eachother's throats and up to some heavy duty antics and one of the UBC profs in the audience who was himself a psychologist reportedly commented:

"...forget about studying the sasquatch, someone should study these guys!"

[Guest]

Quick update:

I just got back from the sight where all of this happened. I need to gather all if the info I collected and will report back on this thread. It will be an hour or two so please bear with me.

Eeeeeexcellent! This should be good for 10 more pages! lol.

Cisco rocks, once again!

[Guest]

Just to add a little more confusion, a few days ago I was listening to a blog talk show and the theme was Musky Allen vs. Jack Barnes(FB/FB). It was recorded in early January and I learned that Musky used to be a serious bigfoot researcher and was apparently very into it. He is now obviously a skeptic though.

Dyer came on the show at the end and Sharon Lee asked Musky why it seems he and Dyer are friends. There never was a really good answer, but they played down the friendship and Musky said Dyer is good for the bigfoot community. Sharon asked what he meant by that because Musky doesn't believe in bigfoot and Dyer says he has a body. She asked if he thought Dyer was lying and he never answered, but just said again that Dyer is good for the community. It seemed obvious to me that he was saying Dyer keeps people interested and keeps the whole bigfoot world going. In my opinion Musky loves calling people out and telling them how wrong they are and he thinks Dyer helps out with that.

It was an odd exchange and as I said Musky never answered it straight up. I don't know if Musky would actually go along with a hoax with Dyer, but there was something weird about it.

[Guest]

Cisco will be deserving of the BFF Investigative Award. I appreciate your taking your time and fuel and efforts to see into the matter. I dont know Mr. Musky, but if he is a very vocal skeptic of Bf'ers it may be he is also an anti bigfooter as well, and may not be averse at all, or may would enjoy assisting in getting one over and making the bf community/ or such as may be keeping up with this matter, look foolish once again.

[Guest]

I'm here because I want to see how this all pans out. I think the tent video is fake. I can't believe FBFB has it as #2 of all time! Man! The Stacey Brown FLIR is a lot more compelling - heck even the stick throwing BF looks more believable.

Even if the tent video is real, even if there is a landlocked BF behind Home Depot in San Antonio swiping ribs nailed to trees ... I don't believe RD killed it and has the body.

[Guest WldHrtRnch]

"...forget about studying the sasquatch, someone should study these guys!"

Oh, this is priceless!! JRid, I started listening to that podcast, but quit before it finished, way before it finished. I do feel like there is something fishy with RD & MA being in cahoots, weird, indeed.

And yes, Cisco definitely deserves the BFF Investigative Award!!

[Guest]

Just to add a little more confusion, a few days ago I was listening to a blog talk show and the theme was Musky Allen vs. Jack Barnes(FB/FB). It was recorded in early January and I learned that Musky used to be a serious bigfoot researcher and was apparently very into it. He is now obviously a skeptic though.

Dyer came on the show at the end and Sharon Lee asked Musky why it seems he and Dyer are friends. There never was a really good answer, but they played down the friendship and Musky said Dyer is good for the bigfoot community. Sharon asked what he meant by that because Musky doesn't believe in bigfoot and Dyer says he has a body. She asked if he thought Dyer was lying and he never answered, but just said again that Dyer is good for the community. It seemed obvious to me that he was saying Dyer keeps people interested and keeps the whole bigfoot world going. In my opinion Musky loves calling people out and telling them how wrong they are and he thinks Dyer helps out with that.

It was an odd exchange and as I said Musky never answered it straight up. I don't know if Musky would actually go along with a hoax with Dyer, but there was something weird about it.

Very good find Thanks. That will certainly put into question Allen's role in all this. The one caveat with including him in the hoax, is that Allen will FOREVER be branded a hoaxer and Dyer's *man*. So, he's finished as a credible skeptic..or a credible anything.

[Guest]

Here is the link to the podcast. Start around 1:34:00 and let me know what you think. At one point Musky says he does not believe in bigfoot, but he whole heatedly believes Dyers story. He says it more than once too, and he says he and Dyer are like teammates because they both love to mess with the bigfoot community.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBIkWiDRGlU

[Guest WldHrtRnch]

opps, didn't see you'd posted it, must have posted at the same time.

That really makes no sense. He does not believe in BF, yet believes RD's story? We really do need to forget studying Sasquatch and study these people, lol

Edited January 28, 2013 by WldHrtRnch

[Guest]

Quick update:

I just got back from the sight where all of this happened. I need to gather all if the info I collected and will report back on this thread. It will be an hour or two so please bear with me.

Awesome Cisco!

[Guest]

I agree they need to be studied, lol. I just remembered that Jack Barnes states that he is so confident that Dyer's tent video is real that he will take down FB/FB facebook page if it is not.

I also just realized there might be some harsh language on the video I posted, but not sure. I apologize if there is. Mods please remove it or let me know if it is inappropriate.

Edited January 28, 2013 by JRid

[Guest]

Here is the link to the podcast. Start around 1:34:00 and let me know what you think. At one point Musky says he does not believe in bigfoot, but he whole heatedly believes Dyers story. He says it more than once too, and he says he and Dyer are like teammates because they both love to mess with the bigfoot community.

Thanks again...Musky Allen looks like a flake now and whatever he says after *viewing a body* cannot be trusted. He equivocates about his position and says he believes Dyer's *story* but doesn't believe in BF..what BEE ESS! Then he essentially says hoaxing is *good for the BF community*?

Edited January 28, 2013 by ronn1

[Guest]

Just popped in on RD's blogcast...so boring couldnt stand it after 3 minutes. blaaaahh

[Cisco]

My youngest son and I went to the area where RD’s story takes place and spent about 4 hours looking around. My son is still at the age where he likes hanging out with dad, just because and, not to mention, the allure of a Bigfoot adventure! I told him all of the background info about RD and his claims. My youngest son is 11 so, even though he’s young, I wanted him to know the details of the events so he could have some insight s to what we were looking for.

I did not take a gun with me as I was wearing work out clothes and didn’t feel like changing into jeans because it was almost 80 degrees outside. However, I did take the precaution of telling my wife where we were going, just in case….

Our first stop was the area of the original 911 Bigfoot sighting in 2009. That was a short visit since the area is now under “development†and bulldozers had cut large swaths through the brush and trees. Obviously, there are no longer any homeless people living in this area.

The next stop, and where we spent most of our time, was the large piece of property behind the Home Depot.

At first glance, it did not look like we would be able to get onto this property because of a fence that went all the way around it. We drove around the property and noted it was for sale. One side had a Home Depot and a strip mall and the other side had an apartment complex. However, most of it had no development on the edges of the property. It was much larger than I first thought. I need to call the real estate agency that has this listing to find out the exact size. However, I did some research online and discovered that most of this property was recently purchased by Methodist Hospital system. I calculated that this property is about 50 acres in totality so it’s pretty big.

My son noticed an area where it looked like a truck could drive into and we parked next to it. The path was very steep, greater than a 45 degree incline, and even though I was pretty sure I could climb it in my Suburban, in 4 wheel drive, I did not know what was beyond the incline so we decided to be prudent and walk it.

The first thing we noticed, after climbing up the path, were a number of unoccupied homeless camps. We counted 5 and all of them had been recently inhabited. There were old clothes, chairs, coolers and other misc items. We even came across an old mattress and a tent. There was also evidence of old camp fires.

The path led along the edge of the property, behind the Home Depot and I took a number of photos from this perspective so I could later compare them to the background of RD’s videos.

All this being said, there is no doubt in my mind that RD and the Minnow crew could have spent plenty of time here without attracting any interest from local LE. It’s very isolated and impossible to see into from the road. It’s very thick and aside from one very rough path, impossible to explore with a vehicle.

One of the first things we noticed was a nasty smell, like something had died. The first thing that crossed me mind was that we were going to walk up on a dead body. In fact, it ended up being a dead dog. There was some blood on the body but it was so swollen that we could not tell what it died of.

We found an area where somebody had set up a water collection station that ran to a watering bowl for birds. There were also a number of bird houses in a clearing we came across. I’m assuming somebody had set it up in order to watch birds.

We spent several hours walking around and observing. We wanted to see if a Bigfoot could sustain itself in this limited area. I’m not a wildlife biologist but it appeared to me that it may be possible. There was plenty of deer sign and small game. There is a creek that cuts through the property and I’m told there are caves in the area, although we didn’t see any.

One of the strangest things we came across was a piece of meat and bone. Right next to it, were two empty ice bags and a large piece of white plastic wrap that had blood all over it. I could not tell what it was but did not look like a cut of meat I’m familiar with and no, it was not a section of ribs..lol. About ten feet away, we found the wing of a large bird. It was not a turkey but could have been a hawk or buzzard. There was also a pile of feathers. The piece of meat could have been the skinned body of hawk or buzzard. If it was one of these birds; what killed it and why the bloody piece a plastic?

We walked about 500 yards into the thickest part of the property and there were several small clearings that were very clean and looked like nobody had been camping there before. However, it was thick and it started to make me nervous so we backed out. I was not comfortable being there, unarmed with my youngest son. I’d feel better if I went back with a small party of adults. Next time, I’d wear jeans and snake boots. I can’t say what it was that made me feel uncomfortable but it just may have been the isolation and the situation itself.

So, without going on and on about every last detail, let me make some points that are relevant to the discussion on this forum.

Please note that I’m reporting my observations only and have nothing to do with my opinion of RD, his claims or history.

In my opinion, and based on the local geography, I think it’s possible a Bigfoot could spend time in this area.

Because of the size of this property and it’s lack of easy access, I think somebody could fire a 30.06 and NOT necessarily attract the police.

My son and I were indisputably in the same area in which RD filmed some of his videos.

Was a Bigfoot filmed there and/ or did RD shoot it? That I don’t know. If Bigfoot does not exist, then the answer is no. If Bigfoot are real; then RD’s story is plausible, based on my limited knowledge of the events and the people involved.

[Guest]

Thanks for the input...and giving us a chance to get a *feel* what it's like there. Keep in mind, Dyer maintains the shooting took place in an area several miles from this loacation. I haven't a clue where that would be..but it's definitely wooded (tent video). Maybe you can speculate on where that may have been?

Edited January 28, 2013 by ronn1