Guest Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 All of this basically means: yes, various gov't agencies DO know about BF, but refuse to admit it or discuss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 Of course the Gov knows about bigfoot. Everybody does. Doesn't mean they believe its real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 It looks like they were having some fun with their report. You see the picture of the crew, they seem like they are having a good time at work. Like Mounty says I wouldnt read too much into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JohnnyWalker Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 This clip makes me stop and think, each time I see it. Is it that hard to imagine, that Govt Agencies might actually want to track their "encounters." On disk, with GPS coordinates, etc? Oregon Sasquatch Symposium/ BLM Uploaded on Feb 18, 2011 This map was given to me (oregonsasquatch) by a witness that only wanted to be know as Don.Don approached me in 2010 and let me know that he possesed a Sasquatch BLM map he was given by the on duty secretary. The map list not only Don's 2009 encounter, but what appears to be many others..spanning over 50 yrs. back Note: Don does appear to have written down his "2009 encounter" onto this map, that doesn't really exist. Some official "control maps" for comparison to Don's "unofficial" map: http://www.blm.gov/o...roseburg_NE.pdf Has identical disclaimer; similar Grid and Boundary markings; http://www.blm.gov/o...NMyrtlewood.pdf Has identical disclaimer; similar color key; same recreational symbology; maps from http://www.blm.gov/o...e/transport.php Maps are kind of what Govt Agencies like this, do ... http://www.blm.gov/o...p?data=ds000083 More cool stuff from the Oregon Sasquatch Symposium sorry, I just meant to post the general links to the Oregon Sasquatch Symposium http://www.youtube.c...h?feature=watch instead a lecture on boring feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I was thinking about this, how many of you have stories or comfirmation from someone in the US Government Agencies that have given you confirmation? http://www.fws.gov/yreka/Fisher/Mtg-Sym/2006/Posters/Yaeger_etal.pdf A negative for observation of bigfoot tracks is official confirmation of the presence of bigfoot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bipedalist Posted December 30, 2012 BFF Patron Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) Well I went back and listened/watched the DVD and the National Training Center lecture that Larry Battson did back in June 2009 at the West Virginia FWS auditorium. The intro. official stated as preface that a document existed and that the US FWS basically did say that as soon as an alleged BF sample was obtained or examined that at that point emergency provisions of the endangered species act would be enforced in their defense. So, this brings up several observations. One the memo that Battson distributed was true, two, the audio was so bad in the dvd that maybe I misunderstood what the guy said and/or three: this whole hullabaloo about Ketchum's protection efforts as not needing the enforcement angle is moot anyhow. http://www.fws.gov/n...../19771221.pdf Apparently, the introduction speaker referenced (but I did not see it in his hand) this memo that was distributed with Battson's promotional and documentation materials. Edited December 30, 2012 by bipedalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Biprdalist- I agree with your thinking about not nessessarily needing a regulation. However what is needed is for a regulation "specific" such as the Bobcat as in California, along with the Pine Martin which are specificaly spelled out in the hunting manual so that there are no mis understandings. It was explained to me by the F&G comm. that when an issue is raised by the public or an advocacy group the commission considers it and then (in Ca.) they contact the US F&W serv. for guidence. Studies are done and then the comm. reaches a conclution on what they want to adopt. These points are the commission norms, but wait a minute. What if you have a relic hominid living in the wild amougest animals that are being hunted recreationally and an incident happens where there is a case of mis-identification? At this stage a DNA verification would be needed and proff of at least one BF living within the state. This to me(IF the DNA shows hominid or other class) would trigger a need for immediate attention such as an insert in the hunting manual to educate and alert recreational hunters to the possibility that BF might be encountered and the appropriate steps if a chance encounter might happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explorer Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 According to the memo: "But before a creature can receive protection under the Endangered Species Act, a number of actions normally must occur which involve recommendations from the public, scientists, and State and foreign governments where the species exists. The first of these would be the species’ formal description and naming in a recognized scientific publication. In addition, if it were a U.S. species, the Governor of the State where it was found would be contacted, as would the officials of foreign governments if it were found outside the United States. Only after much information was collected could the Service make a formal determination as to whether the species should be afforded endangered or threatened status." For Fish and Game to accept BF as a new specie that needs protection, the evidence has to be good enough for recognition in a scientific publication. For a scientific publication to affirm the reality of BF, the evidence has to be way beyond reasonable doubt. It is hard to believe that DNA samples from unknown provenance (that lack a direct and unquestionable link to a BF sample) would make the cut for scientific acceptance. F&G and States will come on board with protecting the specie, once a specimen has been collected. DNA work could then be done on it to get the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bipedalist Posted December 31, 2012 BFF Patron Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) I told you what I heard the man say. If identified, you can question him as an employee of the USFWS. What is needed is for agencies such as http://portal.ncdenr.org/web/nhp/home to do statewide county by county id of the species (when the time comes of course). Edited December 31, 2012 by bipedalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Explorer- thelast four sentences of post #53 is not an said policy of the Ca. F&G comm. It says that "proof" must be shown, not nessessarily a specimen. With that said it would be a assumed that a verified DNA study would have had to of passed muster and be regonized as DNA from in this case BF. I also believe that clear video/photo would be recognized as proof also. As far as a specimen needing to be collected, well I am not sure that is what the policy is saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyO Posted January 1, 2013 SSR Team Share Posted January 1, 2013 I told you what I heard the man say. If identified, you can question him as an employee of the USFWS. What is needed is for agencies such as http://portal.ncdenr.org/web/nhp/home to do statewide county by county id of the species (when the time comes of course). Never gonna happen B is it, surely ? The resources, the terrain, the man power, it's just too much to ask in my opinion. It would be incredible, but one thing I perceive to be virtually impossible, for so many reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bipedalist Posted January 1, 2013 BFF Patron Share Posted January 1, 2013 (edited) Well, we are either close to the edge or close to the precipice, choose your angle..... they will definitely not become easier to see or capture once catalogued/dna-discovered unless Team Quantra's Magic Box becomes patented and well-distributed, huh?! Edited January 1, 2013 by bipedalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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