salubrious Posted February 4, 2013 Moderator Share Posted February 4, 2013 Tom Brown Jr, who runs http://www.trackerschool.com (and is arguably the leading tracker worldwide), teaches something he calls 'sensing presence' in a number of his classes. He has his students do a number of exercises to get to be more familiar with how it works. He claims it to be a sense that everyone has, which tends to be mostly turned off in the city, but at a heightened level in the woods. Its that feeling of being watched, that shiver you get on your neck. You turn it on by imagining that you are being watched. Now, if that is something that all humans have and its so consistent that it can be taught in a class with 90-95% success rate, its then also easy to imagine that BF has it as well. You can reduce the sensing of presence that others have of you by simply not looking directly at them. BTW, its not something that is paranormal in any regard, not if all humans have it. If you are familiar with 'chi', used by kung-fu types and taught in the better kung-fu classes, then you are well on your way to understanding what this is all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerm Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 Here is what one person stated. Is there more to it or is this it? This feeling is paranoia. A paranoid person feels they are being spied on / followed / persecuted. This feeling causes them to turn their head see if someone behind is looking at them, this head movement causes people to look at them, giving the stare-ee the false impression that the feeling they were being stared at was correct, (in reality they weren't being looked at until paranoia caused them to turn their head).If you can find the mechanism than it would bring something that sounds sort of paranormal into a scientific realm I would guess. Maybe into that realm where thoughts are things, etc. http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=26690.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMBigfoot Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I've spent a lot of time alone in the woods and I have only felt the feeling of being watched a few times. But at home when I'm mowing the yard I'll get the feeling of being watched sometimes and when I look it's always my neighbor by the fence waving me over and wanting me to mow her yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Here is what one person stated. Is there more to it or is this it? This feeling is paranoia. A paranoid person feels they are being spied on / followed / persecuted. This feeling causes them to turn their head see if someone behind is looking at them, this head movement causes people to look at them, giving the stare-ee the false impression that the feeling they were being stared at was correct, (in reality they weren't being looked at until paranoia caused them to turn their head).If you can find the mechanism than it would bring something that sounds sort of paranormal into a scientific realm I would guess. Maybe into that realm where thoughts are things, etc. http://www.thenakeds...p?topic=26690.0 I would personally buy that both my dog and I are paranoid,lol, he is a Bordercollie, well sometimes it is so anyway. Maybe we are also picking up on very faint scents and sounds and movement. But I don't think that accounts for feeling someone looking at you when your back is turned, not all the time anyway. @CMB-LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 #2 That being said- even for those who are experienced and have grown accustomed to being well off the beaten path, and have spent years traipsing around wilderness areas, hiking, camping, and/or hunting, there are certainly instances where we are overcome with the very strong sense or feeling that you're not alone, or that you're being watched. In my opinion, this feeling or sense is not one to be ignored. Sure it's possible that even being comfortable with your surroundings, that your mind might play tricks on you once in a while, but it also has an uncanny ability to process information on a subconcious level- stuff that you're not even aware of at the time. Sounds, smells, something in your peripheral vision maybe, that you didnt notice. -A- This I think is the primary reason. I don't believe in ESP any longer because I have accepted the sceptical stance after many years. I do experience this sort of thing myself frequently and sometimes it is easily traced to this sort of thing. All I know, like I said earlier in this post- is this: There are times when you might get the feeling that you're being watched, and think " nah, this is silly... there's just nothing out there". Well, there just might be something out there after all, and if you're smart, you'll pay attention to those feelings, and if you're standing there and the alarm bells and whistles are going off, and your minds inner voice is telling you; "dont walk down that path", or "turn around and go back", it's not a bad idea to do just that.... -A- I have hallucinations that can be frightening and it takes every scrap of my courage to continue walking or proceeding on my course sometimes. I am often reminded of one incident where I saw three large and vicious looking birds coming out around a corner I was walking towards. I knew they weren't real and yet I had the hardest time convincing myself. I finally did manage to walk right past them without getting eaten. If they were real I'd be dead. I often reflect on this when I watch monster movies, that I'd be among the first to go in the zombie apocalypse Here is what one person stated. Is there more to it or is this it? This feeling is paranoia. A paranoid person feels they are being spied on / followed / persecuted. This feeling causes them to turn their head see if someone behind is looking at them, this head movement causes people to look at them, giving the stare-ee the false impression that the feeling they were being stared at was correct, (in reality they weren't being looked at until paranoia caused them to turn their head).If you can find the mechanism than it would bring something that sounds sort of paranormal into a scientific realm I would guess. Maybe into that realm where thoughts are things, etc. http://www.thenakeds...p?topic=26690.0 II've read about this too and it does make sense. Even if wrong, the ones who got the heebie jeebies survived better than the ones who rationally dismissed the nonsense he he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clubbedfoot Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I am trying to remember if ever had that feeling in the woods.....I used to walk to fishing ponds around Eastern Central Ohio. But I don't think I did.... However, I do remember driving home from hanging out with some friends when I was about 20 on summer break from school.....and I felt something...I guess a presense...and off to my right above the tree line was a red orb, I'd say about the size of a beach ball....I thought it was pretty interesting and was kind of mesmerized by it....I drove down the road for a mile or so where the tree line encroched on the road, where you'd have to strain you're neck to see the tree line, so it was out of my filed of vision...After about another mile, the tree line faded back from the road and I looked to see if the orb was continuing along the tree line, but I didn't have to look.... I kind of knew that it was.....And it was, but it was no longer interesting....I was scared, and the highway had been deserted besides me for my trip of about 5 miles.... I remember really pushing the car....I was going about 105-110 mph...I obviously made it home....but I put that experience out of my mind for over 20 years....but yea I think people can have their senses heightened..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Different circumstances different feelings, sometimes I get the being watched feeling and it's just an uneasiness but when the hair on my neck goes up and goose bumps form on my arms and I get the strange feeling all is not right and the woods all of a sudden just feels like a different place, I leave. This has only happened a couple of times and it's very intense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhaige Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I believe these are simply senses we have forgotten about due to our own domestication. I too experience these strange feeling like everyone else. I think it is called empathic response. Some examples would be the obvious staring thing. I read an interesting idea on this in Autumn Williams book , Enoch. which was an enjoyable read , regardless of the misinformation campaign this book absorbed from the usual suspects. I found when the habituator Mike begins to feel the overwhelming sensation of being watched, he learns later through what he alludes to as being some kind of communication with the SSq that he Enoch (the Skunk ape) was actually the one feeling the eyes on him and transferred that feeling onto Mike through an empathic connection. Which is very much like (in my opinion) the fear response we experience as well. Perhaps it is not just our fear we feel. Perhaps we are feeling the SSq fear over the top of our own. It sounds wild but how many times I have felt nothing and then boom! I'm freaking out... have any of you experienced this? There are several other things like this I can think of, and just to name a few like Deja Vu - I dont think anyone has definitively nailed what this is actually, sure there are theories. Yawning- Have you ever seen someone yawn and then you also have to yawn. I've been in meetings where it goes around the room..whats up with that. Itching- Same thing as yawning who knows Heres another thing that happens to me to the point where I can nearly predict it. I am with another person and we are conversing and he or I mention so and so...Like say Hey I haven't seen Jim in a while, have you? and low and behold within days and sometimes hours I hear or bump into Jim or hear some news about Jim. Uncanny! I think its pretty safe to say there are a whole lot of things about this world we think we know so much about that just eludes us. I find these kinds of things fascinating. Can you folks think of anything else like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) As a military guy, I have read numerous books on the subject of war. I noticed something remarkable in three different books, by three different authors, about three different wars. Each was about soldiers/marines engaged in prolonged infantry combat. Each reported that after a time, they developed a sixth sense, in the form of "smelling death", that preceeded violent combat. The first book was "Company Aytch" about a Confederate soldier during the American Civil War. The second book was about a soldier in the 101st Airborne during World War II, but I don't recall the title. The third book was about a Lieutenant serving during the Viet Nam war. I don't recall the title of this book either. Perhaps an indication that some people can develop an extraordinary capability. Edited February 8, 2013 by Florida reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDL Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Always trust your senses. There have been times when I've been unlocking my mailbox and thought, out of the blue, "gee, I haven't heard from Joe in years", opened the box and found a letter from Joe. I've learned that if the thought of someone suddenly pops into my mind unannounced and unexpected, essentially interrupting my current train of thought, I should pay attention to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clubbedfoot Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I am trying to remember if ever had that feeling in the woods.....I used to walk to fishing ponds around Eastern Central Ohio. But I don't think I did.... However, I do remember driving home from hanging out with some friends when I was about 20 on summer break from school.....and I felt something...I guess a presense...and off to my right above the tree line was a red orb, I'd say about the size of a beach ball....I thought it was pretty interesting and was kind of mesmerized by it....I drove down the road for a mile or so where the tree line encroched on the road, where you'd have to strain your neck to see the tree line, so it was out of my filed of vision...After about another mile, the tree line faded back from the road and I looked to see if the orb was continuing along the tree line, but I didn't have to look.... I kind of knew that it was.....And it was, but it was no longer interesting....I was scared, and the highway had been deserted besides me for my trip of about 5 miles.... I remember really pushing the car....I was going about 105-110 mph...I obviously made it home....but I put that experience out of my mind for over 20 years....but yea I think people can have their senses heightened..... apologies for dupe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerm Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 Ilan Shrira is a social psychologist at the Loyola University in Chicago. You know that feeling you get when you're being stared at? Out of the corner of your eye, even outside your field of vision, you can just tell someone is checking you out, sizing you up, or trying to make eye contact with you. Sometimes it almost feels like ESP, this ability to detect another person stare, because it often comes at the fringes of our awareness. But far from being ESP, the perception originates from a system in the brain that's devoted just to detecting where others are looking. This "gaze detection" system is especially sensitive to whether someone's looking directly at you (for example, whether someone's staring at you or at the clock just over your shoulder). Studies that record the activity of single brain cells find that particular cells fire when someone is staring right at you, but—amazingly—not when the observer's gaze is averted just a few degrees to the left or right of you (then different cells fire instead)....................read the rest of the story............... http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/201102/how-you-know-eyes-are-watching-you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the parkie Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Interesting article but unfortunately the study it mentions is not cited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scortch Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I've read less fictitious stories in Penthouse Forum than I see here. What an imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerm Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) What? The brain creates electricity, and if someone wants to explain the organic chemistry of this process then go ahead. The electric field extends beyond the body, so when someone stares at another, does their electromagnetic field tip off the one being observed? I've read report after report about an observer watching a BF, and the BF turns around and stares at the observer. This usually freaks out the observer, and it's a good thing that BF usually doesn't turn around and charge. BF usually stares back and walks off. Edited February 14, 2013 by georgerm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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