Guest DWA Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 ^^^I have to say that, given the nature of 99.999% of what passes as "research" since Bigfoot became an American household word, bipto makes a major point there.
MarkGlasgow Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 An interesting debate. After watching Paulides MUFON presentation this morning where he rounds squarely on those within the 'ape' camp I'm wondering if this is a politically driven name change?
Guest Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 Politics are everywhere. Hard to avoid them. We have a position based on observation and experience and we have named ourselves accordingly. While the new name does nicely set the differences between us and those like Paulides into sharp relief, I can tell you in all honestly that the name change has been in the works for quite a while. Far longer than the recent human/lemur/bigfoot kerfuffle. It wasn't in response to anything other than what we've said it was.
MarkGlasgow Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 Thanks for the response Bipto. I find the politics within bigfootery or the wood ape scene difficult to comprehend at times, but given the huge number or groups and differing beliefs held on the subject, it's as you say unavoidable. Really enjoying the Operation Persistence thread Bipto. Keep up the great work!
Guest Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 IRT politics I would venture to say that, assuming Bigfoot - er excuse me Woodape - exist, they would be proven much quicker if the woodape society as a whole would put politics aside and work together.
Guest Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 You get three people together, you have politics. I don't disagree with you, but that's just how things are.
Guest Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 Jeez. Everyones a critic. IRT politics I would venture to say that, assuming Bigfoot - er excuse me Woodape - exist, they would be proven much quicker if the woodape society as a whole would put politics aside and work together. That's what I thought when I got here. After a while you realize several things: No matter what you do someone is till going to complain; usually about things that don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. There are folks who, even if you gave them everything they wanted, they would complain because they felt that you didn't do it for the right reasons. There are people here who DON'T want them officially discovered. Some of them don't want them discovered because they genuinely feel it is in the animals/hairy-folk/lemur-mans best interest. Others don't want it because then their bat-poop crazy habituator stories will possibly be revealed as utter nonsense. There are plenty of folks who "love to hate" NAWAC/TBRC. There are a veriety of reasons on which I won't bother to speculate. You know the old saying "When you're taking the most flack, you know you're over the target." It's my personal opinion that these are going to be the guys that finally produce the incontrovertible evidence. Just my opinion...... I wish these guys the best, and I appreciate their efforts.
Cisco Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 Bipto Was "Wood Ape" chosen because that was the only name proposed or were there other names to choose from? If so, what were some of the other options? Personally, I sort of like Wood Ape but I feel like it creates a stereotype that Bigfoot are only found in forests. The Bigfoot community and related organizations have made a large effort to help educate the public on the diverse habitats where these creatures can be found. Many people do not realize that there are Bigfoot in swampy, coastal areas as well as the more arid, desert like climates. Perhaps "Wood Ape" does not represent the species as well as a more generic name, such as Sasquatch? Unless, of course, Wood Ape is only used to describe animals in certain geographic areas? We would then keep Swamp Ape for the ones residing in FL and other states with swamps. Anyhow, the most important point/ question is; whether or not, other groups or organizations are going to start using the same monicker? I
Guest Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 Even those which are found in marshier habitat are within woods. Most reports are from wooded areas. They are rarely seen in predominately open areas without some tree cover. Does that mean they will never leave the woods? No, but that's the natural habit, we presume, based on the data and observations we have. Perhaps it's not totally perfect, but nothing is. Sasquatch is not a bad word but it has strong regional connotations to the PNW. The word is known in other regions, but it's not widely used. It's a bad fit for a group with it's roots in the Southeast. Anyhow, the most important point/ question is; whether or not, other groups or organizations are going to start using the same monicker? I hope they do, as long as their serious. If the term gets splattered with the same old effluent as the old one, we'll need to find yet another! As I said above, we didn't invent the term. It's been around for a long time.
Guest DWA Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) Jeez. Everyones a critic. That's what I thought when I got here. After a while you realize several things: No matter what you do someone is till going to complain; usually about things that don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. There are folks who, even if you gave them everything they wanted, they would complain because they felt that you didn't do it for the right reasons. There are people here who DON'T want them officially discovered. Some of them don't want them discovered because they genuinely feel it is in the animals/hairy-folk/lemur-mans best interest. Others don't want it because then their bat-poop crazy habituator stories will possibly be revealed as utter nonsense. There are plenty of folks who "love to hate" NAWAC/TBRC. There are a veriety of reasons on which I won't bother to speculate. You know the old saying "When you're taking the most flack, you know you're over the target." It's my personal opinion that these are going to be the guys that finally produce the incontrovertible evidence. Just my opinion...... I wish these guys the best, and I appreciate their efforts. I'm with you. If the only thing one paid attention to was these folks, one would be better informed than 99% of the people who learned genetics following Ketchumflap. Nobody appreciates seriousness less than people who profit from folly. Edited March 19, 2013 by DWA
Guest Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I'm with you. If the only thing one paid attention to was these folks, one would be better informed than 99% of the people who learned genetics following Ketchumflap. Nobody appreciates seriousness less than people who profit from folly. HAHAHA, LMAO. That is soooo true. Lots of expert geneticists here after Ketchum started up.
Guest DWA Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I hope they do, as long as their serious. If the term gets splattered with the same old effluent as the old one, we'll need to find yet another! As I said above, we didn't invent the term. It's been around for a long time. Wood Ape BBQ. Wood Ape Lager. Wood Ape Casino and Resort. Wood Ape Beef Jerky. Hmmm. May have a chance.
southernyahoo Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 I wonder if joining Meldrum in calling it a relict hominoid would work better or would it be too humany? The Wood Ape thing just feels like it is in spite of other evidence , observations and perceptions. 1
Guest zenmonkey Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Wood ape is great. It describes what we know they live in the woods and act like apes. Gets away from Bigfoot with that name you get all the snarky people and giggles. Im ok with it as long as you call me an "urban ape"
gigantor Posted March 23, 2013 Admin Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) Bipto, I don't think changing the name of the organization is going to make a difference to the public. It will still be associated with bigfoot and the perception might actually become worse. Consider the "optics" as politicians say, to outsiders, it looks like you're trying to pull "a fast one" on them by not calling a bigfoot a bigfoot, IMO. Plus the TBRC has some well earned respect, that will be lost for newbies, confusing for the casual BF fans and suspicious for the rest. It's like somebody changing their legal name, they do it because they want to hide something. IMO, it's a mistake. Edited March 23, 2013 by gigantor
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