The Existance Of Bigfoot: Is The Magical/paranormal/spiritual/supernatural Really Necessary?

[Guest]

hahah...and you would think I would be gone..yet? How do I know the UFOs are associated with BFs and just not a coincidence...? Or, alternatively I do think it is easier to imagine an apehuman .(or that in between we have no frame of reference for,Madison) rather than a being with eyes like I have witnessed..in the dark...or have others, ..... so maybe we have completely misidentified this remarkable witness... and those are aliens! or dogmen? .or what? It does seem BFs are the explanation and fit with less stretch than another species..even though not all agree or have witnessed this?

ha! I never thought in my life I would use the term dogman..what is that anyway.? It is all too much really! I agree no one notices these sidebars on the paranormal...or much of any of it!

I reread an article on Bigfootencounters recently..on NA legends, etc....and that article also wrapped up with the acknowledgement of these issues and long history.

It is also too easy to say that b/c one does not understand they immediately turn to the paranormal (or religions...) I don't think that applies in my case. Although, I agree what we don't understand we often mislabel, but it doesn't mean it is necessarily so in the case of BF witnesses to telepathy.. (or religions) ...it could be neurons only, or not.. we don't yet know on the religion issue...or Bfs..or UFOs.. and I am not one to dissuade those who have faith...

but I did mention..if I thought BFs were aliens I would not have gone looking..or paranormal....! Nor did I expect I would still be trying to figure this out five years later..and planning my next trip.....that might be paranormal .in and of itself! Had I known in advance I might have gone to Maui.

Still waiting for an answer... and it is really amazing we don't have any. I was so convinced the DNA study would fly....and hoping Sykes will..

Edited April 23, 2013 by apehuman

[Guest LarryP]

Consider this. If Dr Dean Radin (or anyone else for that mater) discovered the paranormal and could provide indisputable evidence of it he would easily have a Nobel prize or two. Where is/are his Nobel prize(s)? Yeah, don't answer that. It's a rhetorical question and I'm sure someone will come along soon with their trite sounding "Not everyone wants recognition" or some other similar drivel...

In his excellent book "Entangled Minds", Dr. Radin has several chapters explaining the nature of his experiments, as well as the scientific rigor applied to eliminate coincidence, error and fraud, and the statistical certainty of the outcomes.

He uses very technical language, but if you stick with it and concentrate, it will become very clear that Psi and telepathy is a very well established scientific phenomenon.

And unfortunately the Nobel Prize no longer carries any weight. As they have become nothing more than a reward given out for political cronyism.

[Guest]

In his excellent book "Entangled Minds", Dr. Radin has several chapters explaining the nature of his experiments, as well as the scientific rigor applied to eliminate coincidence, error and fraud, and the statistical certainty of the outcomes.

I think I saw that in my local library...

And unfortunately the Nobel Prize no longer carries any weight. As they have become nothing more than a reward given out for political cronyism.

And that's one of the trite responses I was expecting. And wrong.

[Guest]

Leftfoot...what do you think is appropriate to discuss regarding bigfoots?

Edited April 23, 2013 by apehuman

[Guest]

Leftfoot...what do you think is appropriate to discuss regarding bigfoots?

I don't think I ever said that discussions of the paranormal, regardless of whether or not it exists, is inappropriate regarding the existence of Bigfoot.

I just don't think that the existence of Bigfoot requires a paranormal explanation. I thought I had made that quite clear.

[Guest LarryP]

In his excellent book "Entangled Minds", Dr. Radin has several chapters explaining the nature of his experiments, as well as the scientific rigor applied to eliminate coincidence, error and fraud, and the statistical certainty of the outcomes.

I think I saw that in my local library...

You can get it on Kindle for $10.00.

And unfortunately the Nobel Prize no longer carries any weight. As they have become nothing more than a reward given out for political cronyism.

And that's one of the trite responses I was expecting. And wrong.

What's truly "trite" is your creation of a false negative by trying to claim that Dr. Radin's work is somehow not valid because he hasn't recieved a Nobel Prize.

You asked me to provide proof of the positive claim and I've done so

Now it's your turn to try to disprove the positive claim by providing specific and verifiable counter claims.

Otherwise, you'll have to concede that you were wrong and the paranormal aspects associated with BF that are so often reported by witnesses are a necessary element of undertanding the Seatco.

[Guest]

You can get it on Kindle for $10.00.

I will not give my money to cranks or con men.

What's truly "trite" is your creation of a false negative by trying to claim that Dr. Radin's work is somehow not valid because he hasn't recieved a Nobel Prize.

What's trite about your response is that it is sour grapes. "These people weighed the evidence of something I desperately want to be true and found it wanting so they must be cronies", don't you see how this argument is trite? I bet you would be singing a different tune if the opposite were true.

And yes, I'll admit my argument may not be very valid but if this man had actually did what you said and proven the existence of the paranormal he would be internationally recognized and would be up for a Nobel prize whether or not he wants it.

Now it's your turn to try to disprove the positive claim by providing specific and verifiable counter claims.

You've been asked the several times now, but how on earth do you expect me to provide evidence of the negative claim?

Otherwise, you'll have to concede that you were wrong and the paranormal aspects associated with BF that are so often reported by witnesses are a necessary element of undertanding the Seatco.

Actually no. The paranormal and Bigfoot are still two separate things. You would need to prove that they aren't.

And also this Seatco?

The Seatco or Tsiatko were Giant twig creatures that live in the Rockies of the USA. They were tall thin Native American people who lived in the wilderness. They were not civilised and hunted all day as well as collected wood.

The Seacto lived in wild places just like animals and would steal fish from humans. Instead of a spoken language, they whistled for communication and enchanted humans with this whistling. They would steal human children to become their slaves so children were warned not to stray too far into the wilderness. If one of the Seatco were killed they would remember who had done it and one day take revenge. They ventured to go hunting but never crossed water.

One report details how a Native American boy once told a story from his grandfather in the mid 19^th century. According to the boy's grandfather, a group of Native Americans captured a Seatco boy. They witnessed how this boy was nocturnal and captured fish, hunted deer and collected wood for fire. The Seatco eventually came to retrieve their boy. Their whistling scared the Native American people away leaving the boy unattended. The boy reunited with his family and the Seatco were not seen by these Native Americans again.

[Guest]

Leftfoot...what do you think is appropriate to discuss regarding bigfoots?

I don't think I ever said that discussions of the paranormal, regardless of whether or not it exists, is inappropriate regarding the existence of Bigfoot.

I just don't think that the existence of Bigfoot requires a paranormal explanation. I thought I had made that quite clear.

It wasn't clear to me, but your discussions are broken up with quotes and it was probably overlooked by me.

I have said as much myself, it isn't required. Doesn't make it invalid though, or worthy of note if many keep noting it!

Edited April 23, 2013 by apehuman

[Guest]

Update: Some more research on my part and I found positive proof to prove my negative claim wrong. Some Nobel prize recipients actually have done research into the paranormal. But then again, Newton promoted the belief in alchemy and other studies now considered occult.

I was wrong. I am sorry.

Edited April 23, 2013 by Leftfoot

[Guest]

Update: It appears that Dean Radin was on Coast-to-Coast Radio. That doesn't help his case.

And least you think I'm making this up,

. Warning, it's in 12 parts and spans an hour.

[Guest LarryP]

Update: It appears that Dean Radin was on Coast-to-Coast Radio. That doesn't help his case.

And least you think I'm making this up,

. Warning, it's in 12 parts and spans an hour.

Yet another false negative.

[Guest]

Update: It appears that Dean Radin was on Coast-to-Coast Radio. That doesn't help his case.

And least you think I'm making this up,

. Warning, it's in 12 parts and spans an hour.

Yet another false negative.

Would you explain yourself on what you mean by this? I'm not sure I'm understanding you.

[Guest]

Update: It turns out that I remembered correctly, my local library really did have that book.

[Midnight Owl]

Throughout the Bigfoot research realm, there are folks who refuse to consider or accept new information if it doesn't fit into their formed opinions as to who and what the Bigfoot actually are.  It is a form of censorship that does not following the scientific method and can be highly political or manipulative.  After my first close encounter involving a large object tossed at my son and I, my experience was quickly discounted by some very knowledgable poeple, that is was far too close to a large metro area to hold any possible Bigfoot activity.  I eventually studied the area myself and had my first visual sighting, obtained several interesting pictures and videos.

 

I also held the widely accepted opinion that the Bigfoot were just some undiscovered, base primate roaming about in the forested areas of North America.  Over time, additional close encounter experiences revealed to me I was dealing with a subject that possessed intellect and cognitive thinking.  I could go on with other personal observations further out of the box, but have clearly made my point.  I personally feel to form rigid lines of acceptance as to who they are and what they can do limits the whole field of study.  If people like Columbus, Edison, Henry Ford, the Wright Bothers etc. etc., would have listened to the accepted science beliefs and opinions, where would we be now?  To quickly discount certain possibilites regarding Bigfoot can also be a roadblock to eventual discovery of truth.

 

My point is, there are witnesses out there who have observed things about these subjects that doesn't lend to easy understanding.  To not consider it as possible may slam the gate shut to the eventual discovery of what they actually are....in my case, I thought I knew at one time, but now have no earthly idea because of unexpected surprises, twists and turns....

[Guest]

I am in year five, and similar trajectory in that I am not at all where I thought I would be when I started out...and it's not terribly comfortable in that many of these experiences push beyond what is conventionally accepted as plausible (even getting tracks more than once some find suspect!) and includes, now too, witness that sets me outside the conservative "BF conventional" ..even if I limit to these eye shine events.....ahhhh,,,

 Frees me up considerably ...

 

 

plussed  Midnight Owl

Edited May 2, 2013 by apehuman