Guest Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Just like the thread title says. Be sure to also elaborate why as well. I consider, like many here, the PGF to be the strongest piece of evidence for the existence of Bigfoot. Yeah, it has severe short comings and a number of glaring weaknesses but it has managed to hold up very well over the years and I expect it will for the foreseeable future. What I consider the weakest evidence is not eyewitness testimony, like others would suspect, but the legends passed down by the native Americans. The first strike against the evidence is the fact that it has to be shoehorned to fit Bigfoot. The second strike is that these legends were passed down orally instead of recorded, and any historian worth their diploma will tell you that oral traditions are not an accurate way to pass down information as the message gets distorted as time passes on from the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OntarioSquatch Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) I find that the best evidence is usually the least ambiguous. The Patterson film is #1 on my list, followed closely by geographical data from sightings. Maybe hair samples as well, but there hasn't been a peer-reviewed paper published on it yet. Edited April 19, 2013 by OntarioSquatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 i'd also go with PGF for the strongest evidence, especially now that computer modeling of the skeletal proportions, relationships of joints, bipedal gate, etc has been analyzed. Not to mention convincing contributions from folks like Mr. Munn. Weakest evidence? Pick a paranormal related or habituation themed thread at random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhaige Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Strongest: -P&G Film -General footprints -(One of my favorites) Bell curve foot analysis showing a probable living population: http://www.bfro.net/ref/theories/whf/fahrenbacharticle.htm Strong: -Eyewitness testimony -Global testimonies -Habituations -Researchers & Scientist who were skeptical and then have encounters -Historical data, folklores and ancient text (non oral:written or inscribed) Weakest: Other Footages like -Freeman footage -stills -blobs (I include these as evidence because generally they accompany a visual confirmation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Could you summarize that link, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhaige Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Could you summarize that link, please? Summary from the study itself: SUMMARY The presented statistics provide, for the first time, population averages and ratios that relate foot length, height, and weight of the Sasquatch in a manner not dependent on guesses, opinions or individual anecdotal accounts. I have speculatively pursued all attributes of the species that could be derived or inferred from the presented data by correlation or allometric scaling. It is very probable that the Sasquatch population, being composed of animals with a long life span, few offspring, and little culling by predators, will display wide physical variations, seen in such reported aspects as facial features, diverse coat colors, and the large variance in foot proportions docÂÂumented here. The data, furthermore, are indicative of a sizeable populatior of a species that has adapted in a variety of ways (except development of intellect) to the demands of surviving in the montane environments of the North American continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyO Posted April 20, 2013 SSR Team Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) The strongest is your own personal, undisputed, unobstructed sighting, that doesn't need explaining. The weakest is the current everything that is public, sadly as the days go by I think its worse and worse. Or maybe worse is the wrong word, but I don't think its any good that's for sure, nothing that's really public like I say. The PGF is good I guess, and I'm pretty sure that its a Sasquatch but other than that, certainly picture wise or video wise, there is simply nothing. DNA seems to have been made a real mess of but in truth I'm not smart enough to know that one way or another other than what I pick up when its translated into a simple mans English that I can understand. Lot of people making money out of the subject these days too, lets just hope it goes back into research in order to get some decent evidence as no matter what anyone says, there isn't any public currently other than the PGF, that this animal actually exists and for those of you that haven't had an actual sighting of one of these things, my heart goes out to you and I'm not sure whether to praise you for hanging in there on this subject, or class you as nuts because of the poor evidence of its existence that you've got to look at in 2013. Edit : Because of iPad spelling. Edited April 20, 2013 by BobbyO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I dont know how strong the evidence of Native American tradition is. The Native Americans had a number of totem animals based on real animals, but not quite real. Example... the Thunderbird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) I agree, ForestTone. To make things worse these are stories that, according to people who shoe horn them in to fit Bigfoot, originated centuries before. How the heck is that in any way verifiable? Also it's not like the Native Americans aren't or weren't capable of making stuff up to satisfy 'White-Face'. Take a look at El Dorado or the fountain of youth, for example. Edited April 20, 2013 by Leftfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squatchy McSquatch Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) Weakest Evidence: the PGF and its backstory. Strongest Evidence: I've heard tell of a guy in Whitehill NY who allegedly saw a bigfoot off the side of the road in the 1970s. He was a cop and he's been out there searching ever since for the creature. Edited April 20, 2013 by Squatchy McSquatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhaige Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Ya know I wanted to add Bill Munns latest dig into the P&G film. That was some seriously compelling work. It amazes me that with a piece that has been so dissected inside and out and upside down that there is still so much valuable information there. If you want to see everything that is contained within the BF community at large...the good the bad and the ugly it all can be seen in and around that footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I bet. I can name only a couple films come remotely close in terms of being hotly debated, but mentioning them here would probably not be appropriate so I'll leave that can of worms alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyO Posted April 22, 2013 SSR Team Share Posted April 22, 2013 I'd love to know what they are Leftfoot, go for it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Some of the strongest evidence, IMO, aside from the PGF, which will never reveal anything more than it already has, IMO, are some of the old Native American totems, and the Columbia River stone head carvings. I also like Bart's therm vid. The circumstances surrounding it, and the people involved lead me to believe that we are probably seeing BF's in the vid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I'd love to know what they are Leftfoot, go for it ? Only if the mods decree if it's alright to mention them. Wouldn't want to get to get in trouble for it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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