Drew Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 First of all it is just an opinion, based on the continued use of the I AM LEAVING THIS THREAD if I continue to ask questions examining his claims. I have not duplicated any questions, I have asked questions specific to his claims. While he says I am not doing it right, I think my questions are relevant to the topic at hand. So clearly his intention is to stop me from asking questions, by placing the blame for his leaving at my feet. THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR THE DISCUSSION OF WHY OR WHY NOT BIGFOOT CANNOT BE REAL. Exactly how many times does one of the admins need to tell you that? My questions are not about whether Bigfoot is real, they are questions based specifically on the claims that have been made in this thread. So if the admins ever do tell me the above, I suppose I will have to stop asking my claim-specific questions.
indiefoot Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 My questions are not about whether Bigfoot is real, they are questions based specifically on the claims that have been made in this thread. Drew, on 21 Jan 2014 - 08:06 AM, said: If someone makes a claim that Giant Hairy beasts are hucking rocks at cabins, I think the logical counter question is "Do you think an animal that hucks rocks at cabins would not have been killed by the people living in those cabins?" How do you reconcile these two? The question clearly implies that if BF were real they would have been killed.
Guest DWA Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 "the claims that are being made in this thread" are what is beginning to be called in the community at large "open science." They're telling people what's occurring where they are. I have no more inclination to question this than I do to say to anyone else here, "that did not happen to you! I wasn't there, I don't know you and I know! So cut it out, OK...??!!?"
Drew Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) It is in direct response to Bipto's claim that Rocks are being chucked at the cabin. My line of questioning is: If the Wood Apes are elusive, and you can't get a photo of one, or a gun on one, why are they attracting your attention? If Wood Apes habitually cornered people in their cabins in Oklahoma, and chucked dangerous rocks at the cabins, would it not follow that one of those Native Americans, or Settlers, or Loggers eventually would have shot one to protect his or her children? Edited January 21, 2014 by Drew
1980squatch Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I think all anyone would have to do to get a response would be to bring up a relevant point that has not been previously discussed. Good luck with that!
salubrious Posted January 21, 2014 Moderator Posted January 21, 2014 Moderator Statement: This thread is about the activities of the NAWAC, not anything else. If you want to discuss other related topics, please do so on another thread. If we see this thread getting derailed we will be handing out warning points and getting all heavy-handed and stuff, which we would rather avoid if we can. Thanks for your cooperation.
Guest DWA Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I guess the truly funnnn-nnnneeeeeeeeeee part of this whole thing is that the people raising all these objections actually think they are Saving Us From Ourselves, that we haven't addressed the evidence from every angle conceivable to them and 16 more besides, and know that bipto's reporting straight fact - bet against that and toss your Cadillac into the lottery too, it's a MUCH safer bet - and the objections simply come from an inability to see how wildlife terrain and humans interact. Bipto is the big read - and the others are on Ignore - because he's telling us interesting things. The others are on Ignore because they recycle things we knew enough to dismiss years if not decades ago.
Guest zenmonkey Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 If someone makes a claim that Giant Hairy beasts are hucking rocks at cabins, I think the logical counter question is "Do you think an animal that hucks rocks at cabins would not have been killed by the people living in those cabins?" If Bipto wants to make this into a thread where no one can question his claims that is fine, but I think it is quite clear in the rules that claims are allowed to be questioned. And at the same time, the rules state that if you make a claim you should be able to handle the questions that come with it. I think this is Bipto's way of terraforming this thread into a format that allows his claims to go unquestioned. A Bigfoot Forums Genesis project if you will. Easy man if it wasn't for him none of us would be here right now. He has always been kind and quick to answer everything he can I even blow him up on twitter and he's always kind and helpful. He just doesn't want a debate that is all
Guest Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I thought I would pop in during this lull period for something of interest. I do not advocate trespassing on NAWAC’s coveted wood ape valley. But there might be a way for other intrepid researchers and enthusiasts to experience the area without interfering or disturbing NAWAC operations. Let’s take the following area as THE Area X. It seems a match due to mention of the ex-forest ranger’s cabins. The only drawback is the fact these cabins are said to be on the Little River and as far as I can tell, the Little River would be southwest of this mapped location. (NAWAC’s mistake or possible misdirection?) I pointed to this location as “X†previously on this thread and Bipto said “Bingo.†Here then, may be “The Valley of the Wood Apesâ€: http://woodape.org/reports/report/detail/457 Now, there just so happens to be a public hiking trail that appears to skirt or maybe even advance into wood ape territory. Here is that public trail -- scroll down to check out the trail’s Google map and you will find very close proximity. The Pashubbe Trail: http://arklahomahiker.org/2011/04/03/ouachita-trail-02c-259-pashubbe-trailhead/
Guest Stan Norton Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 If you go down to the woods today just don't wear a furry suit!
Guest Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Easy man if it wasn't for him none of us would be here right now. He has always been kind and quick to answer everything he can I even blow him up on twitter and he's always kind and helpful. He just doesn't want a debate that is all The irony is there are hundreds of pages of thousands of posts across multiple threads where I've been as responsive as possible for no other reason than we want people to share in the knowledge and insights gained from our experience, but some still take the attitude that I'm afraid to face the tough questions. I'm not. I just don't care to debate the likelihood of something I know to be true. It's a waste of time. But wasting time seems to be the mission of some. My reason for dropping out of this conversation was because it had drifted again and again away from the NAWAC's work which is its purpose and the reason I'm even still a member here. There were no all-capped ultimatums. Just simple explanations that priorities have to be made in all our lives. At the time I left, I had more than enough distractions from my real life to keep me occupied. There was no reason for me to participate here only to watch more endless debating of whether bigfoot could or could not be real. It is. I know it is. If you don't like that, read another thread (or start one yourself). I pointed to this location as “X†previously on this thread and Bipto said “Bingo.†I don't recall saying that, but I'm sure you'll provide a link if I say I didn't. As I've said on this forum in the past, our agreement with the property owners precludes me from disclosing in any way the exact location. Now, I won't even comment on a proposed location. It's a game nobody needs to play. Also as I've said here and on the Bigfoot Show, the location of X isn't a secret. Lot's of people in and out of the NAWAC know where it is. We just don't disclose it because the owners of the property don't want curious trespassers (and neither do we for obvious reasons). If it suddenly became widely known, that would be a shame, but it wouldn't change how we work or our mission. Apologies if this has been covered previously, but did anything come of any analysis of the blood stains on the rocks following Daryl Colyer's encounter the other year? The lab we sent it to said they didn't even find blood on the rocks even though our own use of established and accepted forensic tests said it was blood (and obviously *is* blood just based on appearances). Therefore, they didn't take us seriously at all. We've done subsequent testing and found the DNA to be too badly damaged, probably by being exposed to the sun for too long. We retain several samples still in the hopes that DNA testing advances enough to be able to work with them. We have a very capable and qualified DNA expert in the group so what I'm saying here isn't conjecture. It *is* blood on the rocks and the DNA is not workable at this time. You can read an interesting interview about wood ape DNA with our guy here: http://texascryptidhunter.blogspot.com/2013/11/what-can-we-expect-to-learn-from-wood.html Any chance you can provide us a sneak peek at the upcoming spring operations? We're adapting the Overwatch tactic, changing the loads in our rifles, raising funds to purchase another thermal scope, and very likely selling the security system we installed. All this is based on the experiences of last year. We are very hopeful for 2014. Maybe if we are really good the messiah bipto will return lol seriously though he needs to come back And look, it's not even Easter.
Drew Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 At one point, Bipto's post number 1405 was directly below the post Jerry Wayne is talking about, so It looked like Bipto was saying "Bingo" to Jerry Wayne querying if the Area X was the location noted on the NAWAC web page which he linked to. I no longer see Jerry Wayne's original posting however, so the context is lost.
Cotter Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Well, none-the-less, we have clarification from Bipto.
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