Terry Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I don't understand how any animal could take a chest shot from a high-foot-pound round. They can't. Either the reports of folks shooting a supposed bf in the chest aren't true or they missed. t.
Guest Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Our groups experience with IR also comes to the same conclusion as Bipto's for what its worth. For one example of several , one was being observed using only natural light with a NV scope and then when the IR illuminator was turned on it immediately ducked down and moved some foliage to put between it and the IR light.
Guest DWA Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 ^^^I too tend to dismiss reports of these guys taking direct hits in vital areas and walking off unscathed. This is one area where mistakes get made. I was once aiming a BB gun at a bird and decided at the last instant not to hit it. Missed it by moving my barrel; an inch or two at about fifty yards. Says me. But I wouldn't vouch without a measurement. Nor should anyone in a situation that heated who doesn't have proof.
Guest Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I don't think anybody is saying a chest shot won't kill it, just it could still move off pretty far to die later versus a JFK style head shot it would not be going anywhere.. Thats all I meant yesterday.
southernyahoo Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 You can read an interesting interview about wood ape DNA with our guy here: http://texascryptidhunter.blogspot.com/2013/11/what-can-we-expect-to-learn-from-wood.html “Information on evolutionary history and genetic lineage/origins may be pulled from the mitochondrial genome of a given species. Even without the full mitochondrial genome, much of this information is attainable by analyzing comparative evolution of the mitochondrial cytochrome b gene – a humble 1,200 base pairs of information. Determining geographic origin, however, would require an existing known ancestral “anchor†species in a given geography. When comparisons between two closely related species are being made, this information becomes less reliable because of limitations in sample (that being the gene targeted for sequencing) size. In these cases, additional sequence targets are valuable. Basically, the targeted gene of study may be too highly conserved between the two species. There are only 33 mutations between human and chimp, a mere 2% variation. What might we expect with the wood ape? The comparisons are so alike that it brings into question human contamination… A more likely conclusion to an odd result that “looks human.†I think this community just tried this 100 plus times. While I agree with Mr. McAndrews that gene expression would be very interesting in a SSQ specimen, the standards set forth by science for species delineation would take front stage and guide any study of one. With the sequences found by Ketchum aligning so well with various human mitochondrial haplotypes, I would be curious how Mr. McAndrews figures the study could commence with looming questions of it's ethics surrounding it? Should the NAWAC come up with a specimen of certainty and have the same results as Ketchum, how would that affect the process? If you can pass this question on to Brad, I would appreciate it Bipto.
Terry Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 "Basic rifle marksmanship teaches you to aim center mass. Training like this ensures that the most basically trained soldier will score a hit, snipers are much more precise. Take a pen. Draw a line nipple to nipple. Then draw a line from each nipple to the center of your throat. This is called the triangle of death. Snipers aim here because "A" its a large target, and "b" no matter where the round lands in that triangle you will either be killed instantly, paralyzed, or have so much internal damage caused as to be incapacited." t.
Guest Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I understand why you would not want a Fouke-like invasion of unwanted private sleuths or a “Field of Dreams†constant caravan and I would not advocate anyone crash your party. I posted the hiking trail near your “no confirm or deny†location (of at least a sasquatch track find) so anyone who is interested can experience the approximate local terrain and wildlife and get a feel for the area. And enjoy a hike. I might go myself soon.Your skills should be commended. Before I joined the NAWAC, this is *exactly* what I did. First major backpacking trip as an adult was several years ago at that very trailhead. I've been back there and a few other spots nearby in the years since. Overall I would recommend the experience highly. There are some great views and good hiking up there.But you're wrong, because all the woods in that area were cut and all the wildlife, down to gophers and grasshoppers, shot out by I would estimate 1903. No people either. MOONSCAPE, I am telling you.I seriously laughed out loud when you said "moonscape". Good job.
Guest zenmonkey Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Our groups experience with IR also comes to the same conclusion as Bipto's for what its worth. For one example of several , one was being observed using only natural light with a NV scope and then when the IR illuminator was turned on it immediately ducked down and moved some foliage to put between it and the IR light. Agreed would explain all the worthless trail cams. I've also thought I've been close I've turned on my IR on my NV and whatever it was froze didn't hear it. As soon as I turned just the IR off I saw and heard movement. Of course never got a good look at it. Such is life eh?
Guest Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 With the sequences found by Ketchum aligning so well with various human mitochondrial haplotypes, I would be curious how Mr. McAndrews figures the study could commence with looming questions of it's ethics surrounding it? Should the NAWAC come up with a specimen of certainty and have the same results as Ketchum, how would that affect the process? Ketchum's work has been totally discredited, in our opinion, and is not worthy of further interest. However, this not being a thread to debate her findings, I'll say we work under the hypothesis that these animals are much more closely related to gorillas and orangutans than humans. This is based on our observation and experience. Regardless, we operate using the facts we have at hand. If something were to come to light that challenged our suppositions, we'd fairly evaluate it and modify our objectives accordingly. Our groups experience with IR also comes to the same conclusion as Bipto's for what its worth. This was something we hotly debated in the group *up until* we installed the security system. It acted almost like a wood ape force field. You could be assured no ape would approach while it was on. It's now academic to the majority of our group (if not all) that they somehow have an aversion to IR light. No idea how, but when IR is present, their behavior changes. When it's not, it doesn't. Makes sense. What you were doing on Overwatch might benefit from those proceeds. We may be down to jes' huntin' here. Our hope it so use the proceeds from that sale along with other funds to acquire more thermal scopes. At least one more. Two would be great.
Guest Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Terry I am not debating established markmanship technique training bit let me throw this at you. If you have a 8' 800# target in a scope at short range but it is only showing its side profile to you are you going thru the massive shoulder arm area to reach the chest or are you gonna end it in broadside of a big hairy melon head?
mesabe Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 The security system could also be employed to repel the hordes either in retaliation to you shooting one, or from snatching the body before you get to it. Set up in a perimeter around a bait or something, and only turned on when one is laying in the center.
southernyahoo Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Ketchum's work has been totally discredited, in our opinion, and is not worthy of further interest. However, this not being a thread to debate her findings, I'll say we work under the hypothesis that these animals are much more closely related to gorillas and orangutans than humans. This is based on our observation and experience. Regardless, we operate using the facts we have at hand. If something were to come to light that challenged our suppositions, we'd fairly evaluate it and modify our objectives accordingly. I understand the hypothesis you operate under, however it was your guys opinion that the DNA would only "look" human due to low sample size. This contradicts the findings in the whole mitochondria by Ketchum and her outsourced labs. You may feel this is discredited, but there is one sure way to find out just how accurate she was, since I am in possesion of a sample from the study, and from a location which you believe BF visits occasionally. You referenced the article, and I had hypothetical questions for the author, so if you don't wish to discuss that,(with the supposition it's not worthy) don't link to it.
Guest Cervelo Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 If I ever had a shot...it would be to hip/pelvic area if possible....no running away then
Drew Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Yes, Bipto, you should leave a portion of the IR camera system in place. But do it without anyone else knowing about it. Because, one other explanation on why the IR system is acting as a Force Field, is that someone on the inside knows about it, and coordinates any human hoaxing activity around that. "Tonight is a no-go, the IR system is in place", as opposed to "They dismantled the IR system, it is a go." (He doesn't know you still have it operating) If I ever had a shot...it would be to hip/pelvic area if possible....no running away then Hathaway Capstick's Nitro Express .500 could break a Bull Rhino's front shoulder bone, crippling it.
dmaker Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 "Yes, hello? Local government authority? Please be aware there are very scary and dangerous monsters in the Ouachita range and poor, unsuspecting hikers who have heretofore not been killed in large numbers may be in the near future. Hello?" click So....that's a No then? Don't you feel that you have a moral obligation to warn people of the scary Wood Apes lurking in the area if, indeed, there are public hiking trails nearby?
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