What Level Are You At As A Researcher/believer? Why Such Charged Emotions?

[hiflier]

Hello Irish73,

Good grief yes! You should see THEIR sightings' database. Their blobClause and blobBunny photos make Bigfoot look like a fairy.

Edited July 11, 2013 by hiflier

[Incorrigible1]

Grifter, are you being disrespectful, ignorant, or merely obtuse when you misspell Mr. Munns' name? As a "Hollywood insider" I'm surprised you don't know the correct spelling of this acknowledged costume designer.

Edited July 12, 2013 by Incorrigible1

[Guest DWA]

I believe DWA was merely making a comparison regarding two things that are both theories: 1. Unconfirmed by science,and with; 2. Strong anecdotal/observational evidence arguing for their existence. 

Right.

 

Black holes may be "confirmed" by the standards of astronomy, but by the standards applied to biology, they're bigfoot.

 

And if you don't understand that it's...well, it's understandable.  People tend to swallow what they're told is true, and most of what you "know," you really don't.  You just accept the word of someone else.

 

But my bigger point is this:

 

It gets tiresome to listen to people who have nothing to offer here.

[Guest Druid]

wow, this topic went off into the weeds.. lol

[hiflier]

Hello DWA,

Folks are trying to add interesting ideas and topics though admitedly there's a lot of fluff. I mean look at my last couple of posts. They offer nothing to advance the subject but instead are only feeble attempts at humor. It is difficult sometimes to offer much to a subject that that has virtually no substantiated proof. So the discussions/debates have a hard time being centered and so are relegated, for the most part, to discussing the circumstantial evidence laying around the periphery. It is the nature of the beast and will continue to be until some kind of major physical breakthrough somehow manages to occur. Everyone is pretty much on hold until that happens.

[Guest DWA]

(edited to note that I was replying to Druid, two posts above)

 

Weeeeeellllll, maybe not so much.

 

The Q is "why the charged emotions?" And one reason is the constant dealing with people who don't think they have any obligation to get up on the subject before coming on here and flapping.

 

Take for example this:  "Are you comparing BF to a Black Hole?"  Yes I am.  As WSA pointed out, although not in so many words:  bigfoot would be proven were astronomy the standard of proof.  Astronomers accept numerous concepts that biologists never would, based on one premise:  astronomers know that they will never see most of the things they "prove."  So they use proxy measures.  By the very definition, black holes are unconfirmable; none of our senses can sense a black hole unless, you know, we're getting sucked into one.  So proxy measures - behavior of matter in the vicinity - are used to "locate" black holes, which we can't locate in any other way.  Biology doesn't accept proxies.  Um, where's your specimen?  Well, no one has a specimen of a black hole, or another galaxy, or an Earth-like planet in another star system.  Shoot, Jupiter is just a colored patch in the sky, that we accept as being what we think it is based on a Bible-full of proxy measures.

 

But people really don't think about this much, so they'll come on yelling "JUPITER IS PROVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!" like Jupiter comes to them every morning and borrows a cup of sugar.  No, honey, you just take someone else's word for what Jupiter and the sun are.  For what the earth is, while we're on that.

 

It's just funny to see how everybody's a cryptozoology expert, just like everybody knows how to paddle a canoe.  Get on a river - or on a site like this - sometime and you see it for yourself:

 

Not so much.

 

And that's why the emotions.  Although we really hold it in incredibly well, that we do.

 

"Absolutely no one has said that looks like a real creature, ever."  [about P/G]

 

That could be the most incredible sentence I have ever read on the Internet.  "No one has confirmed sand" couldn't be a more amazing statement.

Edited July 12, 2013 by DWA

[Guest]

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to contribute to derailing the topic. Sometimes the sport that forum debate provides is enough entertainment, regardless of the subject matter being discussed. I was waiting for Grifter to launch into me for my sarcasm and boiling down of his work (which I'm guessing involves technical assistance to folks using integrated post-production hardware and proprietary software) to make it sound like AOL customer service. No need to tear into me, I was just keeping the old talons sharp. I don't want to further derail things by continuing the pee-ing match. Grifter feel free to send me a nasty PM at your leisure.

Edited July 12, 2013 by Irish73

[Guest Grifter9931]

Grifter, are you being disrespectful, ignorant, or merely obtuse when you misspell Mr. Munns' name? As a "Hollywood insider" I'm surprised you don't know the correct spelling of this acknowledged costume designer.

 

Okay I am not an insider, I work in Hollywood. I asked a few questions and shared. .......

Mr Munns may mean something to you personally, but not to me.... I can spell Jobs or Gates however... 

My spell check keeps auto correcting his name. Sorry, I was not aware of the grammar police patrolling the forum boards...  

Hope you are okay now.

 

Ciao

[norseman]

 

Grifter, are you being disrespectful, ignorant, or merely obtuse when you misspell Mr. Munns' name? As a "Hollywood insider" I'm surprised you don't know the correct spelling of this acknowledged costume designer.

 

Okay I am not an insider, I work in Hollywood. I asked a few questions and shared. .......

Mr Munns may mean something to you personally, but not to me.... I can spell Jobs or Gates however... 

My spell check keeps auto correcting his name. Sorry, I was not aware of the grammar police patrolling the forum boards...  

Hope you are okay now.

 

Ciao

 

 

If you would and you fell comfortable I would like you to ask them a couple of questions for me, if not that's cool too.....

 

1) Do they think if they had done it 50 years ago that they could have kept the secret under wraps for this long?

 

2) What would they have specifically used 50 years ago to create the suit? Material, rubber, glue, whatever. (Make sure they know they are transported back in time, and not walking into the studio TODAY to create the suit) And also, how much would that suit have cost 50 years ago?

 

( Sorry that's three questions)

Edited July 12, 2013 by norseman

[Will]

A little decaf please. Thanks

[Guest Grifter9931]

 

 

Grifter, are you being disrespectful, ignorant, or merely obtuse when you misspell Mr. Munns' name? As a "Hollywood insider" I'm surprised you don't know the correct spelling of this acknowledged costume designer.

 

Okay I am not an insider, I work in Hollywood. I asked a few questions and shared. .......

Mr Munns may mean something to you personally, but not to me.... I can spell Jobs or Gates however... 

My spell check keeps auto correcting his name. Sorry, I was not aware of the grammar police patrolling the forum boards...  

Hope you are okay now.

 

Ciao

 

 

If you would and you fell comfortable I would like you to ask them a couple of questions for me, if not that's cool too.....

 

1) Do they think if they had done it 50 years ago that they could have kept the secret under wraps for this long?

 

2) What would they have specifically used 50 years ago to create the suit? Material, rubber, glue, whatever. (Make sure they know they are transported back in time, and not walking into the studio TODAY to create the suit) And also, how much would that suit have cost 50 years ago?

 

( Sorry that's three questions)

 

 

I will ask but unless they are willing to allow me to put names and work place info as part of the answer, I will not post nor will I share.

It seems to be what is needed to verify any claim on BFF. So I will ask them next time I have a few extra minutes and I am at the same facility with those guys and gals. 

[Guest]

You clearly missed the point of my last post. I guess you didn't pick up on the sarcastic humor in my statements, even with the emoticons. I'm glad you aren't offended, because you seem somewhat offended. Most of what this forum comes down to is folks arguing their opinions. You tried to sound like some Hollywood insider and name drop major firms to back to your statement. It looked like hokum to me (anybody else?), and I pointed out why I thought it did.
 

Also if you want to talk shop, meet my day rate and we can get down..........lets refrain about talking "Black Magic" anything...

I don't want to talk about it, that was the point. Half of the thousands of guys with worthless Full Sail degrees could prattle on about gear related jargon like you did. Does it make your opinion of the PGF more qualified than someone like Bill Munns?

 

Internet tough guy? Spare me.... I was speaking figuratively about the art of debate. Do you feel somehow threatened? Also, If you want to stick size on income (and you are calling me the twelve year old?) you'll have to do better than that.

 

Your name dropping, self importance promoting claim was that "Absolutely no one has said that looks like a real creature, ever". I am saying this is pure rubbish. I am glad this doesn't bother you though.

 

Deuces Bro?

Um, OK?

Edited July 12, 2013 by Irish73

[Guest Urkelbot]

The problem with the black hole Bigfoot argument is that with black holes repeatable tests can be run which give evidence of their existence.

The same cant be said yet of Bigfoot. DNA tests have been run and so far came back as negative. If any of these DNA samples being tested on result in an unknown primate than you will begin to see acceptance.

[Guest Grifter9931]

You clearly missed the point of my last post. I guess you didn't pick up on the sarcastic humor in my statements, even with the emoticons. I'm glad you aren't offended, because you seem somewhat offended. Most of what this forum comes down to is folks arguing their opinions. You tried to sound like some Hollywood insider and name drop major firms to back to your statement. It looked like hokum to me (anybody else?), and I pointed out why I thought it did.

 

I did pick up on the sarcasm, and I thought I gave it right back to you. Did you not get it? I said I worked in Hollywood. And yes I do work for some of the studios you mentioned. And no, I am not a tech support.

I did drop the major firms names because thats who I asked at the time. If I didn't use their names, I would have been asked which companies dept did I ask... Thats just the nature of the beast. And if I didn't use any names, I would have been flamed for not using any names in the first place. Its a lose, lose proposition. 

 

Also if you want to talk shop, meet my day rate and we can get down..........lets refrain about talking "Black Magic" anything...

I don't want to talk about it, that was the point. Half of the thousands of guys with worthless Full Sail degrees could prattle on about gear related jargon like you did. Does it make your opinion of the PGF more qualified than someone like Bill Munns?

 

Absolutely not, I have seen his work a bunch of times and it's fantastic. Munns does have a vested interest in his BF stance though. He is trying to get his documentary funded and has been in meeting about a mini series type production. 

 

Internet tough guy? Spare me.... I was speaking figuratively about the art of debate. Do you feel somehow threatened? Also, If you want to stick size on income (and you are calling me the twelve year old?) you'll have to do better than that. 

 

Yeah, look nasty PM's may have the game back in the 90's. But lets be real, no one care's, what we make or what we do for a living. At least I don't care. And I don't feel threatened. Especially not by someone on the internet expressing an opinion. 

 

Your name dropping, self importance promoting claim was that "Absolutely no one has said that looks like a real creature, ever". I am saying this is pure rubbish. I am glad this doesn't bother you though.

 

Has BF been proven to be a real creature?... And if you say it has been proven. I also claim pure rubbish. I am also glad it doesn't worry you. 

 

 

 

Deuces Bro?

Um, OK?

 

If you don't get what that means ... Ummm Okay....

 

Edited July 12, 2013 by Grifter9931

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