norseman Posted September 25, 2013 Admin Posted September 25, 2013 ^^^^^^^ Well NO DOUBT.......... But walking around in the forest bonking your head on tree limbs until you get your bearings is a tad bit different than the article you posted............ I should have said.......how hard is it..........UNLESS your flying a Apache attack helicopter to boot. Have you used Gen 3 night vision? I have..........and I had no problems with the transition. Gen 1 night vision was like looking through the eye ball of a bug.
Sasfooty Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 I've sat in my house at an upstairs window with a Gen3 monocular & a 3X lens on it, on the night of the full moon, watching them walk around outside. After a very short time with that green light shining into your eye, the eye closes up & you can't see much of anything. Even while you can, you can't tell WTH it is unless there's a lot of light & you're really close. They just look like people in black robes sneaking around. Then, put the monocular on a video camera, look at that tiny little screen & try getting a decent video of something that you can't half see, can't tell what it is, & every time it moves, you lose it & have to go looking. I got 22 seconds of a female holding two babies & thought the whole time that I was filming her, that she was a tree trunk. Even good night vision isn't going to be of much use trying to see something that doesn't want to be seen, in the low light of woods.
norseman Posted September 25, 2013 Admin Posted September 25, 2013 Monocular's don't collect much light..........true. But they have ways of enhancing NV googles like illuminators. http://tnvc.com/shop/tnvc-torch-pro-infrared-illuminator/ As well as FLIR: With FLIR you could paint Squatch black and drop him in a tunnel three hundred feet underground and trace his every move........including his foot prints. When I was on the fire dept, we used FLIR to look for hot spots during clean ups. And we could put our hand on a wall leave it there for 5 seconds take the hand away and still see the imprint of the heat register on the scope.
Guest Darrell Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 Well Said Norseman. Id also like to add that the camera that Paterson rented in 1967 was about the best camera he could find and afford and still take on horseback to Bluff Creek. And he couldn't afford it himself, he had to rent it. I retired from the US Army in 2011 with 24 yrs of service and 2 wars. I used Gen 2 and Gen 3 NVD's and never had a problem with my eyes closing up. I also didn't have any problems with mounting a PVS 14 on my M4 behind the Aimpoint M4 and hitting targets out past 200 yards in the Iraqi night. Also you can get IR lights and filters pretty inexpensive that will light up the night like daytime in your NVGs. Bottom line is we need to harvest one. Then all this speculation goes away.
Guest Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 Heh, then we'll be swarming with grant rich wildlife biologists asking "How the hell did you guys get these things on camera?" and off we'll go again...
Sasfooty Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 I used Gen 2 and Gen 3 NVD's and never had a problem with my eyes closing up. Everybody's pupils close when light shines in them. It's to regulate the amount of light received by the eye. "When bright light is shone on the eye light sensitive cells in the retina, including rod and cone photoreceptors and melanopsin ganglion cells, will send signals to the oculomotor nerve, specifically the parasympathetic part coming from the Edinger-Westphal nucleus, which terminates on the circular iris sphincter muscle. When this muscle contracts, it reduces the size of the pupil. The pupil gets wider in the dark but narrower in light." Wikipedia
norseman Posted September 25, 2013 Admin Posted September 25, 2013 ^^^^^^^^ Very true. But the light your getting through a NVG is no different than your eyes adjusting to day time operations. And obviously your not blinded when the sun comes out unless you look directly at the sun. Think about it, NVG's are used for a reason by our nation's troops..........they are not a hindrance, they are a god send.
Guest Darrell Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 My opinion is not to play on a even playing field. Heck, why play fair? If you can get the stuff use it, find the thing, and kill it. Then all of you can get on your high horse and proclaim all us skeptics were wrong, stupid, crazy, and what ever other things we like to call you proponents. But you wont shut us up playing the whole love is at the top of the mountain and we need to commune and learn from our forest brothers and sisters.
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