Ssq Burial

[Guest]

You make some good points but the lack of bodies is an issue to me.

[hiflier]

Hello mbh,

 

Yes, the lack of bodies is, as has been, on many minds here on the BFF- and it comes up often. It's why I started this thread. As to the trade off of burying one in a rock slide there is an assumption that it just might create an influx of rats greater than than say a normal population. That would be the trade off. Burying a carcass would ensure a concentration of that dynamic for a longer period of time by placing the body out of reach of other scavengers. It brings up the idea that Sasquatch may bury other creatures as well for the same reason if they don't eat them after they turn rancid on the forest floor. There are reports after all of outrageous odors on some. Is that from handling overly decomposed bodies?

 

Hey look a lot of this is just brainstorming ideas which is a strong point I bring to the table even if some or most of it is seemingly outlandish. Every angle of a mystery needs to be probed ridiculous or not. The rock holes are there. The machinery is not. A witness was. It's not much to go on but it's enough to get a flow of thought going. No bodies. Sasquatch seen evcavating large rocks for rats. Rats are carnivirous and will eat anything no matter how rancid......it's only brainstorming.

 

For the most part I agree with JiggyPotamus in that we don't need to account for the missing carcasses. I do disagree though that there's no social structure or that Sasquatch does not live in communities. I think there is a structured society in the family and extended family sense that may cover several square miles. If they were all loners it would mean they do not tolerate each other sharing space. That kind of scattering places them out of the league of being Human OR ape. Sure the reports say there are skirmishes. But I think it's for dominance of a "tribe" f you will for the usual reasons.

Edited October 7, 2013 by hiflier

[Guest Urkelbot]

As far as social structure is concerned orangutans are mostly solitary and gigantopithecus is thought to be from the same family.

[hiflier]

Hello Urkelbot,

Hey thanks for the input. Yeah, you're right but there are other primates that do live in groups. So yes, there could very well be loners but too many reports mention more than one present.

[Old Dog]

Old dog-

 

I think the holes in question that hiflier is pointing to are in rock slides in a remote location. Of course an excavator with a thumb could move rocks around but there was no sign of a road or entry point into the terrain that would allow for an excavator.

 

So what are these giant holes in rock slides that were excavated one rock at a time?

 

Example:

 

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If your strong enough to move rocks around? You don't need shovels or pick axes to excavate in a rock slide.

 

Then what is this giant hole found in a rock slide?

 

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You brought up some good questions about the voids in rock slides, so I did some research on that.  As you might suspect, there isn't a lot of info on voids in rock slides, but I did find this from the USGS.

 

http://landslides.usgs.gov/docs/schulz/isl_ak_avalanche.pdf

 

 

I was interested in the photo in figure #4 of the paper.  You can see a couple of voids in the front section of the rock slide.  I'm wondering if there may be an instance where a void in the rock flow is created, and it has a thin layer of rock over it.  With time, that layer collapses and the void is created.  The alternative is that an approximately 600 lb hominid picks up rocks, one at a time and carts them off to make a burial mound, or drags their dead buddy, who knows how far, to a suitable rock slide area for burial.  I'm not saying they don't bury their dead, I'm just trying to figure out how and why they do it if it is so.  Like I said, there is a certain level of sophistication and culture that must be attributed if this is the case, and it doesn't follow with the rest of what is attributed to Sasquatch culturally.

 

Thanks Hiflier for bringing this up, it is an interesting conversation.

Edited October 8, 2013 by See-Te-Cah NC
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[hiflier]

Hello Old Dog,

 

Good 'nuff. And points are well taken and well said. So the question remains as to whether or not there is a sophistication, even minimally, where a creature would think, or know, or know how, to bury it's dead. Seems like to continue this would be a circular discussion with no hard conclusions. Brainstorming can be like that. I gotta tell ya Old Dog, if I keep this kind of stuff running in endless loops in my brain it.....well let's just say I'm grateful there's an outlet LOL.

 

So we wait for another rat-catching incident or, now that the subject has been broached then perhaps someone would stake out a similar feature in an active area? John Green's database shows 138 incidents of grey haired Sasquatch from No. Calif into OR and up into WA and BC mostly from the early to mid 70's. Perfect color for blending into rock piles

[Guest]

It is estimated by one source there are only about '10,000' BF- I think this is one of the higher estimates. Correct me if I'm wrong, its just one estimate I tend to agree with. There are way more bear and cougar out there, probably 500,000+. can someone bring the numbers? The BF may also be in very remote areas. The ones closer in may be in family structures. So the odds are low to finding a dead one. That being said, there is one report I know of of a 'head in the riverbed'. Heard claims of body confiscation, etc from L.E. and other BF.

[Guest]

I feel like its way to hard to guess numbers. We get reports from just about every state and even in urban areas.

[hiflier]

Hello mbh,

Do you think anyone knows that figure? The estimate of how many Sasquatch there are I mean.

Edited October 9, 2013 by hiflier

[Guest]

no way

Too many unknown factors

[Guest]

It is estimated by one source there are only about '10,000' BF- I think this is one of the higher estimates. Correct me if I'm wrong, its just one estimate I tend to agree with. There are way more bear and cougar out there, probably 500,000+. can someone bring the numbers? The BF may also be in very remote areas. The ones closer in may be in family structures. So the odds are low to finding a dead one. That being said, there is one report I know of of a 'head in the riverbed'. Heard claims of body confiscation, etc from L.E. and other BF.

Yah, there's about 500,000 black bears in US and Canada. Don't know about cougar numbers, given the reluctance of various areas to accept that they officially have cougars, the numbers could be low.

 

Anyway, the way the odds run, you'd have to find and examine several hundred dead bear carcasses before you'd ID something of similar size as a Sas.... and most of the outdoorsy people who claim "there would be bodies everywhere" have hardly seen more than a couple of dead bears.

[Guest]

Hello all,

 

I have debated whether or not they could possibly bury their dead for a while now. (Mainly in my own head) I belive that I have personally come to the conclusion that they do, or atleast could. The reason behind this being through thousands of years of existence they have learned and passed down many habits to help remain hidden from the modern world. I am sure they have been hunted by our ancestors, its what we do. Now perhaps they learned to hide traces of their exsistence over time and passed this knowledge down from generation to generation, much like Native Americans have with their history. I am not saying they posess the intelligence of Native Americans. Just hinting at the idea that they learned something that helps them survive and have communicated that to the next generation. Do they only hide bodies in rock slides? IMO, no. I think that they may have several options for disposing of their dead: rock slides, caves, mudslides, cannibalism and maybe several other options. Whatever opportunity they have available. I have read that large cats hide kills so they can enjoy them later, alligators will cram meals into holes in the bank to comsume later. So I do not feel that it is a far stretch to think that a giant bipedal animal thats shows signs of significant intelligence in the animal world would be able to dispose of a dead body.

 

Theres my $.02

[LeafTalker]

I believe you are quite correct in believing they bury their dead.  

 

There's a quick reference to this behavior about halfway through this interview with Thom Cantrall. (Will listen again myself and try to find the exact spot for you later.)

 

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/midnightwalkers/2014/04/17/thom-cantrall--washington-author

 

Okay, found it. At 54:45, he starts talking about a sighting he had. (There's great info in there about tracks, and how to differentiate between fake ones and real ones.) Soon after, at just after the 60-minute mark (I had to edit this; had the time wrong), he mentions witnessing a burial. 

Edited June 29, 2014 by LeafTalker

[Guest]

Sweet

[Guest]

This 'riverbed head' has me thinking. River underwater burial. With the amount of muscle mass these animals are reported to have they presumably they would have some heavy bones to attach them to. What I'm getting at is, would they float?

This would keep them away from other predators, be recycled quite quickly (I imagine), keep scent down and be conveniently close.

Also, back on topic. What about all of these cave systems that are claimed to be used to travel through. I can remember watching a doc on early human stone tool development and they gained lots of knowledge after they found a natural burial pit which had skeletons and stone tools in, including a beautiful pink quartz hand axe.

Also......I imagine that they wouldn't die unexpectantly die too often. When they get old, sick or are seriously injured they could wander off, curl up and die in the most remote place possible, like a cat.

Just spitballing

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