Guest Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 so that means its worthless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronD Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Means what's worthless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 pretty sure we were talking about science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronD Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Science? Naw, it has its usefullness; but like a knife, a car, a dozer, or even a spoken word; it can be used to do good or to harm....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) science is extremely useful, so long as you keep in mind its not as flawless and rock solid as it's often presented. amended theories and differing schools of thought happen, as is evident in the Neanderthal thread. both could be proven wrong later on , that's just the way it goes. and this makes 3000 posts .... taken a long time to get here, lol Edited June 18, 2014 by Doc Holliday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) science is extremely useful, so long as you keep in mind its not as flawless and rock solid as it's often presented.amended theories and differing schools of thought happen, as is evident in the Neanderthal thread. both could be proven wrong later on , that's just the way it goes.and this makes 3000 posts .... taken a long time to get here, lolfor surebut I don't notice too many members here that don't accept that. There's even one guy here with 6,000 plus posts pointing out that fact constantly. Edited June 18, 2014 by mbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) yes, the science thing is kind of a running discussion, a little more so in the tar pit section. that's why it pops up quite a bit I suppose. sorry for the derail on the post count though, just something I noticed and an observation there are those that have been here for a shorter span and have way more posts..... I must be slacking , lol. Edited June 18, 2014 by Doc Holliday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LarryP Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) @LarryP, nope you're the one who provided bad evidence. What bad evidence are you referring to? Try not to be so purposefully vague, Jerry. My youngest daughter turned 35 on Sunday. That's 34 years after your "scientific medical establishment" told me she would be dead. And I can cite innumerable examples like hers where "alternative medicine" saved people's lives. In the meantime, why don't you ever apply your "skeptical criitical thinking" to this reality?: Dangerous Prescription Drugs http://www.drugwatch.com/news/dangerous-prescription-drugs/ Instead of "alternative medicine"?? I know the answer. Let's see if you're willing to own up to it...... http://www.drugwatch.com/news/dangerous-prescription-drugs/ for sure but I don't notice too many members here that don't accept that. There's even one guy here with 6,000 plus posts pointing out that fact constantly. Perhaps you're capable of NOT focusing on that "one guy" and instead focusing on the facts? The collective ad-hominem tactic is incredibly obvious. Can't you do better than that?. Edited June 18, 2014 by LarryP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) *sigh* Larry show an actual clinical study that shows your miracle cure is effective. Not emotional blackmail, not a book on "well known" cases, and not a website that you've selected because it supports your view (adding "watch" to your name doesn't make you reliable). A published clinical study which looks at a controlled sample of people numbering in the hundreds or thousands. Edited June 18, 2014 by Jerrymanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) What bad evidence are you referring to? Try not to be so purposefully vague, Jerry. My youngest daughter turned 35 on Sunday. That's 34 years after your "scientific medical establishment" told me she would be dead. And I can cite innumerable examples like hers where "alternative medicine" saved people's lives. In the meantime, why don't you ever apply your "skeptical criitical thinking" to this reality?: Dangerous Prescription Drugs http://www.drugwatch.com/news/dangerous-prescription-drugs/ Instead of "alternative medicine"?? I know the answer. Let's see if you're willing to own up to it...... http://www.drugwatch.com/news/dangerous-prescription-drugs/ Perhaps you're capable of NOT focusing on that "one guy" and instead focusing on the facts? The collective ad-hominem tactic is incredibly obvious. Can't you do better than that?. Please ponit out what I said that you feel needs correcting. You guys want to argue even when I'm agreeing with the point. And I'm still waiting with bated breath for some facts. Edited June 18, 2014 by mbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronD Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 *sigh* Larry show an actual clinical study that shows your miracle cure is effective. Not emotional blackmail, not a book on "well known" cases, and not a website that you've selected because it supports your view (adding "watch" to your name doesn't make you reliable). A published clinical study which looks at a controlled sample of people numbering in the hundreds or thousands. Jerrymanderer, why does it have to be a "clinical study"? If someone is cured or healed of a disease that the body of "clinical studies" has presented as uncurable, then that system has flaws. PLUS--You're not likely to see many clinical studies on anything but failures to cure--why? Because it is not in the interest of those who fund the clinical studies to have anything cured; remember, they make their money off "treatments". And like the rest of science, the methodology and interpretation of results can be manipulated to whatever outcome desired. Why would they wanna do that? Again--MONEY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david75090 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 ^^^ I feel the same way. There's no money in cures. But there's lots of money in treatments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) Clinical trials are what best determines if a cure is effective, not case studies or anecdotes. Here's a video that explains why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjWxajLJPtU And alternative medicine pushers have no problem with profiting off their phoney cures. Edited June 18, 2014 by Jerrymanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) If someone is cured or healed of a disease that the body of "clinical studies" has presented as uncurable.... Cancer is not one disease, it is many. Some are currently curable particularly at the early stages, others aren't. Edited June 18, 2014 by Jerrymanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stan Norton Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Jerry, You're trying to talk science with people who seriously think that dinosaurs and humans were around at the same time. Stop right now: nothing you say or produce evidence for will be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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