Guest budman48 Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 pretty sure most of the content on the aforementioned podcast is either dramatized or just plain old made up stories. looking at both sets of forums,(yes both. forum was shut down because they got caught hoaxing. forum was restarted after "troublemakers" were booted or just left. by the way, that was a PAY site based on a hoax.), one can certainly tell that is what was priority one, making money on fear mongering and story telling.
the parkie Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure what to say here LeafTalker. I appreciate your belief, but I trust these people completely. They don't scare easy and have spent a large portion of their lives in the field prior to retirement. They've lived with their neighbors for two decades. They may be physically impaired, but are still very sharp mentally. If they tell me that they behavior has become menacing at times I trust their judgement. And if the bigfoot are as intuitive as you want to believe, then they would change their behavior accordingly upon recognizing a misinterpretation. JDL, their behaviour sounds like that of aggressive scavengers to me, unfortunately awaiting the perceived inevitable. What research are you specifically planning to do if you visit? Are there any particular goals you have in mind? Edited October 11, 2015 by the parkie
JDL Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 No research, really. I just want to assess the situation and make sure they are safe. When their son visits, the folks in the woods become more vocal, as if they view the presence of a younger male as provocative. We'll see if that holds true when I visit.
the parkie Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 Well, I hope you can satisfy yourself to their safety. Any chance of trying to record some sounds if they are indeed more vocal when you are there? 1
JDL Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 Perhaps, I don't have the equipment, but they may have some older technology that could suffice. Perhaps someone could provide recommendations. About a year ago, when things started to get dicey, they installed five or six motion activated cameras. There was a period shortly after that which I would describe as probing. Brief images of something large at maximum range, as if the bigfoot were determining just how far out the cameras would detect them, quick flashes moving across the camera at short range as they moved from one side of a camera to the other right up against the house, and raps and thrown rocks at certain parts of the house as if the bigfoot were determining the viewing angles. This is the kind of behavior that impresses upon me just how smart they are. They might not understand that the cameras view, transmit, and record them, but they certainly understand that the cameras react to them, and this means, from their perspective, that the cameras can "see" them.
JKH Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 That could be interesting. This is what I use and recommend. http://www.amazon.com/Sony-PCM-M10-Portable-Recorder-microSDHC/dp/B00R6S0T7S/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1444664314&sr=1-1&keywords=sony+pcm-m10
FarArcher Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) JDL, there's something you said that I found particularly interesting. You said there were sliding glass windows downstairs where the bedrooms are, and that when they had company, these critters would make noises outside those bedrooms. Is that correct? You may not know, but I wonder what sort of window coverings/privacy curtains those bedroom sliding glass doors may have? Often, there will be a set of long vertical "shutter" blinds installed, easily adjusted to whatever light you wish, or to use the other cable/chain, the entire thing folds/slide back on itself to the sides of the sliding glass door. Do you know if by chance they have/had these? If these folks say they feel menaced - then they feel menaced - when the feel menaced. Period. Next question. How populated is it around their property? How far are the closest neighbors/homes? I looked on the satellite overhead, and while some areas are more populated, other areas - are UNpopulated. Edited October 12, 2015 by FarArcher
JDL Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) The Sony device looks interesting. I'll consider it. Yes, sliding glass doors on the lower level from the bedrooms to the patio under the deck. They have interior curtains, which may or may not be opaque to the vision of a bigfoot. I know they can see through the canvas of a tent better than we can - at least under a full moon. Their nearest neighbors are across the road, about fifty yards, but the neighbors' property is built at a lower elevation than the road itself, so they don't have full view across the road. The woods on the other side of my friends' house from the road are also on a downhill slope. There are houses on the same side of the road about a hundred yards in each direction, but one is a vacation home that is usually unoccupied, and the other was just reoccupied recently after being vacant for over a year. My friends interact with their neighbors across the street a few times a week, but don't have any contact, really, with the other properties. My operating theory is that there has been a change in the composition of the bigfoot group resulting in an increase of younger adult males. This may explain the more overt and more intrusive behavior. Edited October 12, 2015 by JDL
the parkie Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) JDL Just to touch on bigfoots possibly being able to see through their curtains / tent fabric - I don't know if you have followed the NAWAC's operations in Area X, but they constructed a structure they dubbed "Overwatch" from which they have attempted to shoot at their quarry. Anyway, they believe that by covering the structure in black bin bags, then the bigfoots cannot see through this material, however their thermal scopes can see out. This knowledge could possibly be of use to you and your friends. Edited October 13, 2015 by the parkie
JDL Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Thanks, Parkie. I'm of two minds about it. Make it harder to see in, and the bigfoot may actually try to get closer. I think they've got a camera covering the patio, though, which is likely deterrent enough.
Guest Posted October 29, 2015 Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) JDL Very fascinating experience Your friends not over reacting to the bf has most likely showed them that the couple is not a threat. The slate tiles sounds playful enough But walking on the porch too much Did they ever exchange gifts with the bfs? I think when something like food is involved that can actually bring out poor behavior when the bfs rely on the handout, They can approach and be defiant when it isn't there Better to use marbles, stone piles, etc Your friend's fruit tree was obviously an attraction With regard to aggression. - I think intrusion on their area is a big factor Sasquatch will utilize some man made terrain features like powerline right of ways, but homes intruding on their terratory, particularly resource areas like waterways, ravines, caves, ridgelines is an issue. Too close to a nursery or migratory pathway I think bf can get more agressive when their territory is threatened In the late 1800s - the first white man was a new threat They got used to this, also the introduction of the gun made them take notice. After the initial pioneering confrontations they removed to the shadows. Now outside vast wilderness areas, bfs have less and less terrain I was on the Talimena Parkway in se Oklahoma, a 60 mile long winding ridgeline 1,000 feet above the valley. I drove to Honobia two valleys south. The whole area is remote. Honobia has major logging going on. Vast areas brought down in a recently pristine wilderness. The bfs there have been know to be both opportunists and aggressive, although some of that agression in response to firearms from homesteaders there Edited October 29, 2015 by audiotom
JDL Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 I'm not saying this didn't happen, but we lived just North of Reno during the years when this is purported to have happened and never heard anything about it. Now the story itself describes a cover-up and some secrecy, and granted, Reno is 200 miles from Bishop, but let me explain why it is probable that my father would have learned about it. My father was a geologist based in Reno and an avid outdoorsman. As a geologist he was all over that area and others. Also during those years he managed two different geochemical analysis labs, both recognized under his management as the most accurate in North America (first Rocky Mountain Geochemical, then Barringer Resources). Not only did we (I worked in the sample preparation room) receive ore, rock, and soil samples from major companies all over the world, but all of the local mines, prospectors/relic hunters, and freelance geologists within 500 miles regularly dropped in to submit samples for analysis and catch up on the latest "community" news. My father's office was the place to learn about who was doing well, who wasn't, who had had any misadventures, and who had "checked out". Anyway, I called Dad tonight to ask if he had heard anything in the late 70's about a bunch of campers being killed at a campsite near Bishop, CA. He had not, but he had some insights into the area around Bishop. First let me describe that time in history for that area around Reno. From the late 60's throughout the 70's there was a migration of dropouts from all over the nation into the West. They were all headed for San Francisco, the promised land. As they traveled West on I-80 many of them hit Reno with the intention of converting their last five dollars into gold in the casinos. Many of them never made it any further, but did spread out into the surrounding areas living by subsistence - doing odd jobs, conning whomever they could, pilfering from the locals, and scrounging for whatever they could find. We had to be on the lookout for these kind of folks whenever we were out in a remote area, because some were quite capable of violence simply to obtain whatever you happened to have on you or in your vehicle. When I asked about Bishop my father's first comment was an emphatic, "That's a rough area." As he described it, Bishop during that time had more than its share of bikers, cults, petty criminals, Manson wannabes, and other indigents. Bottom line is that there may have been a campground massacre, but he had never heard of it, and if there was one, the human element there at the time could well have been responsible. This is just his and my opinion, but I will defer to anyone who can track down an actual record of the event.
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) JDL Thanks for the fascinating insight You father sounds like he really has an engaging setup. Barringer is top notch in the mining industry I am a geologist as well Although oil and gas exploration in the Gulf of Mexico I have been all over the west but only as far as Yosemite and Lone Pine from Reno and Bishop. Quite beautiful and rugged terrain there Plenty of young people did make it to San Francisco It quickly developed a dark underbelly I can see why Reno would be the last chance dropoff I can only imagine the fear meeting some vagrants out in the wilds must have been like Especially if they are looking to take by any means necessary Edited November 5, 2015 by audiotom
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