When Do You Think Its Time For Plan B?

[Woodslore]

Hello everyone

I have been giving it some thought of late and started to wonder something. When people go to do bigfoot investigations on another individuals property it seems to me from everything I have read they present the idea of living together. I mean telling the property owner to accept that they (Sasquatch) are there. That they need to figure out a way to coincide with them.  Similar to when people are told to get use to living in bear, cougar or moose country. Though my question is when is it time to tell the property owners enough is enough. It's time to make a stand and go to Plan B. By Plan B I mean drive the Sasquatches out, or show aggression back (if shown), purchase a firearm, etc. I know this maybe a touche subject but I am curious about this subject.  

 

Secondly I am curious if anyone here has felt the need to tell a property owner to do similar, a Plan B. Or if you haven't would you ever consider it. If you are not comfortable posting it here but okay with messaging me that is fine.  

Now please know I am not out to kill an animal or sasquatch for that matter for no reason. I have a deeply rooted belief that no life should be taken needlessly or without good reason. Though I do believe that there are times when something has to be done. Never seen a topic like this and thought it would be interesting to consider. Thank you for your time.

[MarkGlasgow]

When did BF suddenly become this fearsome creature that posed a threat to ones wellbeing every time a person encounters one?

[Woodslore]

MarkGlasgow, you bring up a good point. What I am referring too is the idea of the Sasquatch have a history of striking the home, or throwing things, have killed dogs, or live stock. Cases where there has been signs of aggression towards the people. More that sort of incidents be they on the property or within a close area to it. I am not meaning times when a person has a history of seeing them cross the back 50 acres of their property. Though I do not think BF should be counted as a harmless creature. People fear encounters with bears in the woods but few people are nervous of encounters with moose. Yet a moose can kill you and attack you as well. It is unwise to count any animal of considerable size as not dangerous or without the potential for a dangerous encounter. 

Though I see your point in a way. There has been a considerable number of stories, film, fiction, whatever where Sasquatch are seen as aggressive dangerous creatures that attack in every encounter. 

[MarkGlasgow]

There seems to be a recent swing in how BF behaviour is portrayed. From the vast bulk of reports and habitation cases I have read over the years we have little to fear as these cases rarely escalate into anything remotely violent.

There have been cases where habitation scenarios have seemed to get 'complicated' but I'll leave it to our resident experts in that field to advise further!

[MIB]

This is a really simple question if you respect boundaries, it only gets complicated when you are trying to rationalize overstepping.

 

As a researcher or invited guest, choosing that time is not your decision.   It is entirely up to the property owner to decide when time has come for that particular brand of  "Plan B."   It has to be based on THEIR boundaries, their comfort zone, their needs ... not yours, not mine else we, the outsiders, have overstepped.   If they make that decision, then you check your ethics and decide whether you can help or not.  

 

Simple.

 

I know people of both sorts, those who are happy being habituators and those who have had a belly full of it and want it to end.   They're the ones who have to live with it, not me.  If they're at a distance such that I can't participate, I'll offer advice on how to achieve their chosen outcome, if they're close I will try to help in person, but I'm not the one charged with making those decisions for other people.

 

Also simple.

 

MIB

[BobbyO]

When did BF suddenly become this fearsome creature that posed a threat to ones wellbeing every time a person encounters one?

Sasquatch Chronicles, it's been their angle since day one.

Its time to make a stand and go to Plan B. By Plan B I mean drive the Sasquatches out, or show aggression back (if shown), purchase a firearm, etc. I know this maybe a touche subject but I am curious about this subject.

Now please know I am not out to kill an animal or sasquatch for that matter for no reason. I have a deeply rooted belief that no life should be taken needlessly or without good reason. Though I do believe that there are times when something has to be done. .

OP, just so I understand better, what do you actually want to be done ?

I'm not sure why you'd want to be aggressive to one, purchase a firearm etc if you then say you don't want to kill one.

What do you actually want with it or what do you expect to happen ?

Edited January 7, 2015 by BobbyO

[norseman]

When did BF suddenly become this fearsome creature that posed a threat to ones wellbeing every time a person encounters one?

It always has been a fearsome creature, it's our perceptions that change. Indians didn't name him Boss of the woods for nothing.

This happens with the wolf as well, either demonized or set on a pedestal.

Of course if all rural farms were being over run by roving bands of Sasquatch? We would have our evidence by now.

The truth is always somewhere in the middle of it all.

[Woodslore]

Sasquatch Chronicles, it's been their angle since day one.

OP, just so I understand better, what do you actually want to be done ?

I'm not sure why you'd want to be aggressive to one, purchase a firearm etc if you then say you don't want to kill one.

What do you actually want with it or what do you expect to happen ?

 

 

BobbyO, well I am simply trying to propose a question. Do you think there is, or would you, do you, have a line in the sand. That okay things have been happening and I am not comfortable with them. Time for Plan B. Something has to be done.

The firearm aspect was more of giving an example of an option to offer to the property owner. I myself do not want to needlessly kill an animal. I do hunt but eat what I hunt. I personally have discharged a firearm to scare a bear that was coming towards me, and yes would have shot it if it came too it. The firearm is again an example of something you may tell the property owner they may wish to have around. Maybe the person is scared for their family. I am simply asking would you as an investigator if someone came to you, or you had been investigating, tell them to go to a Plan B. Maybe the plan be would be move, though lets face it that is not always an option. Maybe you want to look at it from the angle of the property owner. People react in strange ways when they feel cornered, just look at the girl who torched his boyfriends car for not buying her a Mcflurry (see link below). 

What do I want to happen? A discussion, an exchange of views and idea's. Not trying for anything other than that. I am just curious. Often I have read of people saying something similar to "oh just accept them and you'll be fine". Well look how that worked for the grizzly man. I am just wondering about peoples views. Norseman makes a fantastic point on this. Look at the wolf either a king or the devil. I have seen a lot of views and subject matter on Sasquatch being the king, give them what they want. Yet the dark potential of the creature seems to be the subject of fictional horror films. I am simply trying to ask a question. This is not an actually happening event. I am just asking a question.

 

(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583571/Well-escalated-quickly-Woman-sets-fire-mans-car-wouldnt-buy-McFlurry.html)

[norseman]

My goal is to kill one, but with that said if I was anti kill and I had giant primates coming around my house? I would be prepared for a worst case scenario, yes. That means heavily armed when I went to the wood shed or to the barn. And I would keep a close watch on my family.

[gigantor]

Got a plus from me Norse.

 

My only comment with regards to this is from the original post:

 

By Plan B I mean drive the Sasquatches out, or show aggression back (if shown), purchase a firearm, etc

 

I live in suburbia and own a gun by default, you'd be uh.. irresponsibly unprepared without one IMO. I can't imagine living out in a remote/rural area and not having a means of self defense.

 

Just my 2 cents.

Edited January 7, 2015 by gigantor

[Redbone]

If I had them around but they got aggressive and I wanted them not to be around anymore, I'd surround the property with lights and cameras.That always seems to keep them away.

Edited January 7, 2015 by Redbone

[Guest]

I was just thinking the same thing red, apparently you want to keep a bigfoot away, just set up a camera.

[JustCurious]

MarkGlasgow, I think the answer to that question is it depends on who you talk to and where you live.  There has always been a sort of geographic presentation of the PNW Sasquatch as the peaceful giant and the Southern Bigfoot as aggressive with other locations all over the board.  I think it's hard to tell if it originates in human perception or if in fact there are different breeds. 

 

As to the OP, I would think it's the same as other wild animals.  Bears usually are very reclusive and are only seen in passing by chance, but occasionally one becomes a nuisance.  In that case, property owners report the animal to the authorities and let them take care of it.  Anyone can do likewise with a nuisance bigfoot.  Even though the authorities may snicker, the authorities are going to have a problem on their hands if you report an aggressive animal and later something happens to a family member and it turns out they didn't do anything.  

 

Then again, if a bigfoot were killed in self defense, a person would be immune from prosecution.

 

But yeah, it's always up to the property owner to dictate how the situation is handled.

[Guest]

Woodslore...

 

You present an interesting situation.

I've had the job of telling people they were sharing their property with mountain lions and bears, and even had to tell a lady in a  hiding in her locked bathroom that she didn't have a prowler, but had had a bear knock her front door off the hinges and tear the house up.

At her request we waited while she gathered her things and we put a piece of plywood over the destroyed door. She called her husband who worked nights and told him she was leaving, would be in a hotel down in town, and he was to get the house on the market, because she was never going back.

Then again, Ive had people report a woman in the brush screaming, "help me" when it in reality was a dang Peacock. LOL.

I find the reactions can usually be whittled down to a handful.

 

If you have a renter and they have the bear or cat problem, and they have kids and they are city folks moved to the country, they'll leave. Sometimes they'll want you to wait while they pack.

 

If you have a family that has a lot of work into a house they own, and you have a parent that isn't prone to being pushed around, they'll tell YOU what they are going to do when you identify the critter as bear/cat, and it involves a gun.

 

People in the middle, or people you are dropping the "mean thing in the woods might be real" story on  for the first time might give you the deer in the headlights look, and need a day or two to process it. This is the most common, IMHO.

 

 

If someone has gone to the trouble to contact someone else for advice about issues with the critter then they've already bared their soul, so to speak. Their credibility and totality of the circumstances your evaluation of the case is going to determine your response...on a case by case basis.

If you believe you are dealing with the real thing I think you have to be honest and put all the options out there. They've put a lot of trust in you merely by mentioning the boogers. Once you've evaluated the situation and found it to be legit they have earned your best input on as many options as you can lay on the table for them...plan B, plan C, you name it.

If you have documented activity that includes aggressive behavior then put yourself in their shoes, you'd would want all of the options put before you as soon as possible. People under that kind of stress are struggling with many types of pressure, they need the best info and the most time you can give them to make their decisions.

It would seem to me that you can only do this on a case by case basis. There are simply too many variables to draw a line in the sand...but when you believe there is legit aggressive behavior on the table it is time to give them best advice in a timely manner.

Edited January 7, 2015 by Northfork

[Guest]

OP, obviously many people do not know the bigfoot rules. Many forum people here like to guess. A specialist is required: one who knows. One with information valuable enough to help.