Guest Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 My thinking, when I created this was to explore where the Caucasoid DNA chromosomes and genes came from that would cause some of these beasts to sport blue or green eyes, fair complexions and fair hair… Anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Amber colored told to me by my little brother. White silvery seen by me. Blue eyes in a pic taken by a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JiggyPotamus Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I had to do a little bit of reading to educate myself somewhat on the subject. I just came across something called the "cooperative eye hypothesis," which suggests the color differences found in human eyes were the product of evolution, serving the function of aiding us in communication. For instance, it is easier for the people we are communicating with to follow our gaze, or essentially "read" us through our eyes. It actually makes some sense, and perhaps, if this hypothesis is accurate, we could deduce something about sasquatch communication. Because as far as I am aware there are no other great apes with such color variation in the eye. The hypothesis I mentioned above was tested with chimpanzees, gorillas, bonobos, and human infants. It was found that the non-human primates were more likely to follow a person's gaze when the person moved their entire head as opposed to just their eyes, while the human subjects followed just the eye movement more often. From what I have read I would not say this is a proven fact, that this was developed for communication purposes, but it does seem plausible. To get more to what you were talking about in the opening post, I just came across a paper published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology entitled "Blue Eyes in Lemurs and Humans: Same Phenotype, Different Genetic Mechanism." It talks about what genetic factors are responsible for blue eyes in humans, and it concludes that these genetic factors are not responsible for blue eye color in other primates, most notably black lemurs since they have blue eyes. I do not know if blue eyes occur in other primates, but I am pretty sure that the majority of primates have various shades of brown or black eyes. So basically they are dark in color. Another thing that is interesting is that the great apes seem to have less variation in physical characteristics like hair color, as opposed to the lesser gibbons. Then there seems to be more variation in monkeys as well. I mean there are blonde gibbons, but I've never seen a blond great ape, aside from humans. They might exist, but I've never seen one. I should note that I am stating an opinion regarding the color variations, based upon what I've noticed, as opposed to scientific fact. The non-human great apes all seem to have brownish or reddish hair, and dark eyes. As far as what determines eye color we know that it is dependent upon the amount of pigment present, as well as the structure or arrangement of pigment. That pigment is melanin. There are also two different layers to the iris, which adds a lot of potential variation in the dispersement of pigment. And as you stated this is determined by genetics. Within genes are the alleles, which determine characteristics such as eye color, and there are two alleles for each inherited trait. They can both be the same or they can be different, and one will be dominant and the other will be recessive. It should be noted that eye color is not determined by a single pair of genes. From what I understand a brown allele will be dominant over all other colors, while blue is recessive to green, among other possibilities. So to get blue eyes four alleles would have to be blue. Now in my opinion it gets tricky when attempting to compare humans with other great apes. Even though there might only be a 1 or 2 percent difference between humans and chimpanzees where DNA is concerned, such a difference can lead to millions of genetic differences. And then to make matters more complicated, just having identical genes doesn't necessarily mean anything, because genes can express themselves in different ways. Within a human a particular gene could be at level 10, while only at level 3 in another primate, to illustrate what I mean. So let us say that the other primates have eye colors determined in the same way as humans, which should be true, and which I outlined in the above paragraph. So their parents essentially determine the offspring's genetics, and thus eye color. Let us also say that sasquatch possess variations not found in any other great apes where eye color is concerned. The main question is of course what does this tell us about their genetics? I interpreted the original thread question as such. From what I think I understand it only tells us that sasquatch, like chimpanzees, possess the same mechanism as humans, which are genes and the expression of those genes in various ways. So essentially this tells us nothing, lol. But I will also say that I am not the person to listen to on this matter, because my understanding is extremely basic. I don't want to get too involved with the subject matter because I don't want to lead anyone astray, thus I am trying to stick to facts as much as possible. Even if we could map the eye color, which is still a great idea by the way, and even if we could make a determination about particular genes where eye color is concerned, these particular gene patterns will not tell us anything beyond the eyes themselves. The reason I think this is because there are a few different genes that are used to determine eye color, but nothing else. I imagine that sasquatch are quite similar to humans even though they are likely a different species, and perhaps the same genes determine eye color. But this is why I listed the paper that I did, and said what I said about gene "volume," because it could very well be different. But I still do not think we could learn all that much about the genetics or origin of sasquatch or anything like that from mapping the eye colors alone. Again however, I do not understand these concepts well enough to know for sure. If I am wrong I apologize, and someone more knowledgeable will definitely be able to tell you more. So I'm sorry I could not be of more help to you on your quest, and I hope you will follow your idea to its conclusion. Even IF it turned out to not have any use where you expected it to, it could have use for some other purpose. I mean heck, I would be interested to know the variations among sasquatch eyes in various sightings just to see if there were particular patterns. And I would like to have such knowledge just in case, because that is one more mystery that has been taken closer to its conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) ^^^ Jiggy - Thank you very much. When I created this was to explore where the Caucasoid DNA chromosomes and genes came from that would cause some of these beasts to sport blue or green eyes, fair complexions and fair hair…. Well, you laid it out there better than PJ … I read every word and agreed on a couple fronts. I also found it difficult to locate any gorilla primate with anything other than black, brown or amber eyes. What does that mean, like you said, not a whole lot. Thank you Sunflower, I was telling Jiggy earlier that I haven’t found a lot of reports indicating blue or green eyes as most reported them as Red, Black, Brown, Blue and Green, although I have one maybe two that described all white eyes if you can imagine that frightful image. So of the roughly 7,000 reports I read, only 271 of them ever described eye color and a handful of those were either blue or green. Interestingly enough though, the few that I read describing blue or green eyes also mentioned something that struck me odd about it, they claim those creatures were all fair complexioned, fair or light colored hair, and little or no facial hair…. Edited January 28, 2015 by Gumshoeye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branco Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) Part of the answer depends on the brightness of the light source that produces the refection, If their eyes are hit by a very strong spotlight at a distance, the eyes may for a second or so be red or reddish orange, but will quickly turn to silver/green or silver with a blueish tint. As soon as a bright light hits them, they will briefly turn their head away from the light, and in doing so, the reflection is off the curve of the eye ball. When they turn, their iris has closed and the silver with a tint is seen. After the iris closed, the size of the reflection will be a third the size of the initial reflection. If there is moonlight, or low cloud cover which reflects light from a well lighted area (in one case a town, and another the massive lighting from a rock quarry running 24/7) their eye will reflect blood red light. At a distance of 10 to 20 feet from the viewer the area of reflected light will be, as some have said, the "size of a Coke can". To me, at that distance, they appeared to be about the size of a silver dollar. The ones I'm speaking of were the "Caucasian haired" type. Edited January 28, 2015 by Branco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 ^^^ Branco - "Part of the answer depends on the brightness of the light source that produces the refection, If their eyes are hit by a very strong spotlight at a distance, the eyes may for a second or so be red or reddish orange, but will quickly turn to silver/green or silver with a blueish tint. As soon as a bright light hits them, they will briefly turn their head away from the light, and in doing so, the reflection is off the curve of the eye ball. When they turn, their iris has closed and the silver with a tint is seen. After the iris closed, the size of the reflection will be a third the size of the initial reflection." Good post, are you speaking of nighttime eye shine? The reason for the question is the few reports that I read, the witnesses specifically described eye colors but those were daytime encounters, and yet most of the red or yellow eye reports were nighttime observations. What grabbed at my senses when reading these blue and green eye descriptions were that they were often accompanied by fair skinned, little or no facial hair, and light colored hair. There weren’t many of them though. I would say four to six out of 271 reports describing blue or green eye color during daylight encounters. It may be an anomalous but one or two described either all white eyes or all black …. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSA Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 What do you reckon is the distance between those two points of light in your photo Shadowborn? I'm wondering though, given that the sky is visible through those trees at a level that seems to correspond with the two light points, did you rule out the possibility that they are stars/planets/aircraft? I suppose you could rule out stars or planets by going to the spot on the same date/time and looking again. One seems to be of a greater intensity than the other, which makes me wonder this. I don't kow for sure, but I might expect both eyes of the same individual to reflect equally, conditions being equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisco Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) Many of the reports I've read, mention BF having mostly brown eyes with no white/ sclera showing. I've always thought this to be a very interesting detail and one that sounds authentic. Not having seen a BF, I don't know if this is a normal characteristic? However, it's a unique detail that most people would not mention, unless they had seen one first hand. According to the little research I have done, the sclera, in non-human primates, is barely visible, if not hidden. It does not mean it's not there, it's just not visible. That being said, if a report is submitted of a BF with blue eyes, does that mean the entire eye is blue, with no sclera visible? Edited January 30, 2015 by Cisco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) Thanks for your interest. I have read a number of reports with interest in eye color and wondered how it was that some witnesses report red while some report yellow or any other color. So the more read I began to notice an array of different colors, and the more interest was drawn to daytime sightings and eye color. I was most interested in daytime sightings listing eye color making special note of it, and I do not recall white sclera mentioned in any description that I have making it all the more interesting. What I did note, however, was a handful or less descriptions of blue or green among about 271 or more reports listing eye color and so question is if DNA genetic chromosome’s trace human lineage back to early Caucasoid Europe, how or where does Sasquatch fit into this equation? If human and Sasquatch DNA is uniquely separate as I presume how can that explain blue or green eyed animals unless there were some mixing along the way? Even more anomalous was two reports of all white eyes meaning, no other pigmentation present or observed. Eye colors represented: Amber Black Blue Brown Green Orange Pink Red White Yellow Eye colors reported: 271 Green Eyes: 10 percent Blue Eyes: 4 percent Where did reports occur? Two single largest locations or activities noted during eye color reports: Motorists & Residential Less than 29 percent reports from motorist Less than 27 percent from residential occupants mainly from window peeping encounters Edited January 31, 2015 by Gumshoeye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowBorn Posted February 1, 2015 Moderator Share Posted February 1, 2015 What do you reckon is the distance between those two points of light in your photo Shadowborn? I'm wondering though, given that the sky is visible through those trees at a level that seems to correspond with the two light points, did you rule out the possibility that they are stars/planets/aircraft? I suppose you could rule out stars or planets by going to the spot on the same date/time and looking again. One seems to be of a greater intensity than the other, which makes me wonder this. I don't kow for sure, but I might expect both eyes of the same individual to reflect equally, conditions being equal. I am estimating about 8" - 11" apart and yes I do have another picture in the dark where there is no eye shine. The picture was taken by the same game camera. I never thought that it could be a a star but looking at the picture with a magnifying glass you can see that they are eye's by an animal and they shine blue. You can also see the pupil that is black with in the eye. the scanner does not do this picture justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faenor Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 It's possible that the fair haired blue eyed sasquatches belong to a master race of sasquatches and are destined to rule over bigfootdom for a 1000 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See-Te-Cah NC Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Sarcasm alert! LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sunflower Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 It's possible that the fair haired blue eyed sasquatches belong to a master race of sasquatches and are destined to rule over bigfootdom for a 1000 years. LOL, except the blue eyed one that visited a friend was black............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) I have a cam tracker picture of blue eye shine but when i scan it ,well it does not show. The only way to see this eye shine is with a flash light and a magnifying glass. I also have a day-light photo of the area where this creature was standing. this thing is at least 11' to 12' tall and the eyeballs are blue with black pupils that also be seen in the photograph that was shot at night. I almost ready to throw this picture cause it had nothing on it,but the sun hit it right and that is when I seen the two big blue eye's with pupils. Very strange and yes i did ask about these creatures having blue eye's and my friend told that yes they do have blue. I will try to scan this photo on a new printer scanner and try to load it. Just when I'm thinking it is safe to go into the woods again I see your picture with eyes so far apart that I can not even imagine how huge that creature must be. HTG, Guys, is it worth the danger you face to research these creatures? Do your *wives* or significant others know how dangerous researching these things can be? Do they know how huge and how dangerous BF can be towards humans? *****Are your wives aware of what you guys are doing, or do you keep them in the dark so they will not worry?***** Thanks for your interest. I have read a number of reports with interest in eye color and wondered how it was that some witnesses report red while some report yellow or any other color. So the more read I began to notice an array of different colors, and the more interest was drawn to daytime sightings and eye color. I was most interested in daytime sightings listing eye color making special note of it, and I do not recall white sclera mentioned in any description that I have making it all the more interesting. What I did note, however, was a handful or less descriptions of blue or green among about 271 or more reports listing eye color and so question is if DNA genetic chromosome’s trace human lineage back to early Caucasoid Europe, how or where does Sasquatch fit into this equation? If human and Sasquatch DNA is uniquely separate as I presume how can that explain blue or green eyed animals unless there were some mixing along the way? Even more anomalous was two reports of all white eyes meaning, no other pigmentation present or observed. Eye colors represented: Amber Black Blue Brown Green Orange Pink Red White Yellow Eye colors reported: 271 Green Eyes: 10 percent Blue Eyes: 4 percent Where did reports occur? Two single largest locations or activities noted during eye color reports: Motorists & Residential Less than 29 percent reports from motorist Less than 27 percent from residential occupants mainly from window peeping encounters Gum, I sincerely believe that you would need to add eye injuries or infectious problems of the eyes into any reports of red or yellow eyes. Red eyes can be from an infection or injury, and yellow colored eyes could be from *liver* disease. I've treated patients with end stage liver disease who had yellow eyes. White colored eyes could be from a genetic malfunction, possible injury, or infection to the eyes causing eventual blindness:( Cataracts usually form inside the eyes, and do not change eye color, so I don't think cataracts are involved with BF eye colors. Edited February 1, 2015 by SweetSusiq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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