norseman Posted January 16, 2014 Admin Share Posted January 16, 2014 How many North American animals have trichromatic vision? And how many wolverine researchers truly camouflage their cameras? You don't need superman powers to spot a black box on a tree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 ^^^Coyotes certainly don't. Although actually with them it's more: note the activity. Don't go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmaker Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 ^^ Except they do. There are plenty of trail cam photos of coyotes. There are zero of bigfoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Game cams are one research tool. To think that game cams - or hair testing, Dr. Sykes notwithstanding - alone constitute all the research necessary is like thinking that all you need to do chemistry is a test tube and some salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted January 16, 2014 Admin Share Posted January 16, 2014 ^^ Except they do. There are plenty of trail cam photos of coyotes. There are zero of bigfoot. The zero part is simply your opinion!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmaker Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 ^ Right, sorry. Could you please direct me to where I can see one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted January 16, 2014 Admin Share Posted January 16, 2014 I truly think for you that is impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Urkelbot Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 How many North American animals have trichromatic vision? And how many wolverine researchers truly camouflage their cameras? You don't need superman powers to spot a black box on a tree. Are game cams generally colorful? Considering bigfoot is supposed to be nocturnal trichromatic vision would be mostly useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbear Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) assuming that alpha coyotes avoid camera traps because they see them is laughable and saying that no alpha coyote has ever been caught on a camera trap is also laughable. It's funny when I am predator hunting at night as long as I am down wind of those sneaky alpha coyotes that avoid cameras because of sight they don't seem to be discouraged by my 300 lumen predator light. Funny how that works. Edited January 16, 2014 by bigbear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Um, wow. Glad there's at least one scientist here. Let me help you think about this. It is documented - research, the kind that you put so much faith in even if it's wrong but this was right - that alpha coyotes, on their territories, shun game cameras. This is not why "no one ever gets a cam shot of a coyote;" this is evidence that animals can apply reason to situations, and avoid spots it looks good to avoid. As witness the quote you didn't read up there from the study. All coyotes are wary of cameras. The population dynamics of coyote basically run: produce lots of coyotes. It is documented - you know, research, scientifical and all - that when coyotes are under environmental stress, e.g. hunting and trapping, they produce larger litters. It is believed for this reason that we actually persecuted coyotes into spreading across the continent; we kept going after them relentlessly and the average litter got bigger and bigger, and the animals just dispersed away from the pressure. Coyotes are great moms; "if she has six, she'll raise six." The reasons we have camera trap shots of coyotes: (1) We accept that they exist. People readily publish camera-trap photos of coyotes, because they know there isn't a whole society of dmakers and urkelbots ready to laugh at what is "obviously" Uncle Bob in an ape suit; and (2) There are so many coyotes. (Oh. Forgot all the humans who get themselves caught on cameras. We must be sooooooooooooo stoooooooooopid.) As norseman says: how do you know there are no bigfoot trailcam photos? You don't. Why would somebody looking at a whole society of dmakers and urkelbots need to share anything with them? I sure wouldn't. There have certainly been a number of anomalous trailcam shots, just as there have been a number of anomalous videos. When you say there are none I take it the same way I would if you said no one in NA is wearing blue right now. How - THE HECK - would you know that? Population dynamics of apes being so much different - and oh by the way comporting precisely with what we don't see - we can comfortably come to the scientific conclusion: camera traps are a very inefficient way, at best, to document an animal that not only is not confirmed to exist but actively laughed at. Camera trap photos of bigfoot won't be accepted ...which is why the CCP doesn't release them. (Don't come whinging about conspiracy theory. Only conspiracy theorists do that.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotter Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) @ Bigbear - There have been scientific studies demonstrating the alpha coyote thing. I'm not certain how you can personally identify the alpha coyotes...are you sure they're the alphas? Edited January 16, 2014 by Cotter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 If you had read the study, you would know that Alpha Coyotes IN THEIR RANGE, observe the cameras being set up, then they avoid the area. When the researchers went out and pretended to set up cameras, the Alpha Coyotes avoided that area as well. Out of their home range, the Alpha Coyotes are caught on game-cams. Bigfoot, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotter Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 ^Excellent. SO, we can agree, a BF, in it's home range would not be caught by a camera. Now...what we need to figure out is how many BF stray from their home range and what the BF's home range is....any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Division by zero error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotter Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 ^Yeah, we've probably gotta start working with imaginary numbers, eh? LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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