What Would It Cost To Get A Voucher Specimen

[norseman]

8 hours ago, FarArcher said:

 

 

How am I supposed to know where you can find a large group?

 

You think they migrate, you think there are very few, barely sustaining themselves - if all that's true, you should be able to zero in on some in no time at all.

 

You know your area.  See likely migration routes?  Go squat on them.

 

Its dead of winter! What ever migration we now think they might have executed? Has already taken place.

 

And no, a wide ranging species with very few members is not easy to find. When we were allowed to cougar hunt with hounds? I could go weeks without cutting a cougar track by snowmobile. Sometimes falling snow would cover tracks quicker than I could find them. And I never cut one set of Sasquatch tracks. When I was a kid I cut one set in early December and they were heading south west.

 

How are you suppose to know where I can find a large group? For some reason I thought you were in the northern Appalachia mtns? They get snow there yes? I would assume that Bigfeet would be faced with similar challenges there as they do here. And you have a large group staked out correct? So walk me through how you found them? What are they eating now? How many do you estimate are together?

 

As Yuchi will verify your the expert and I'm a dummy. And I'm certainly willing to change tactics and learn. 

[hiflier]

11 hours ago, Explorer said:

I don't know if you were brainstorming or exploring ideas, or did you really conclude that subterranean is the only solution for the lack of finding the BF's?

 

All of the above. As a firm conclusion though not really but it has a way dealing with a lot of aspects regarding survival in sub-zero deep snow winter conditions as well as 100+ summer situations. It's not so much subterranean perhaps as it is hunkering down in deeper hollows behind remote waterfalls. Agreed that may not be a suitable place in winter in high snow country but one still should consider small rock or even soil enclosures where a group or even an individual can conserve some body heat. So not really talking about cavernous conditions. If it's a structure like a lava tube or a large, long cave then smaller alcoves or niches inside the larger structure would help cut down on loss of body heat by keeping out of the colder, draftier main corridors.

 

There must be many unexplored remote places which certainly are numerous to allow the bear population to get out of the elements and sleep relatively safely. These would neither have to be tall or very deep into the earth and probably would be better if they weren't. I understand lava tubes can maintain a year round temperature of around 45 degrees depending on where they are which would be adequate for survival. Animals are tough creatures and even though a few may be lost to the elements or predation most seem to do just fine. As a creature thought to be more inclined to be in a group Sasquatch may be able to find a small opening to get through that is larger inside to accommodate a family. With all of the aspects that cave hunkering can address it doesn't appear that it can be ruled out- even though it may not be something utilized by all Sasquatch populations everywhere. I think the severity of nature's elements will dictate where and when underground or in-hill accommodations are normal methods of survival.

 

So yes, brainstorming, exploring, and perhaps even some targeted conclusions depending on location and season.   

[FarArcher]

1 hour ago, norseman said:

 

Its dead of winter! What ever migration we now think they might have executed? Has already taken place.

 

And no, a wide ranging species with very few members is not easy to find. When we were allowed to cougar hunt with hounds? I could go weeks without cutting a cougar track by snowmobile. Sometimes falling snow would cover tracks quicker than I could find them. And I never cut one set of Sasquatch tracks. When I was a kid I cut one set in early December and they were heading south west.

 

How are you suppose to know where I can find a large group? For some reason I thought you were in the northern Appalachia mtns? They get snow there yes? I would assume that Bigfeet would be faced with similar challenges there as they do here. And you have a large group staked out correct? So walk me through how you found them? What are they eating now? How many do you estimate are together?

 

As Yuchi will verify your the expert and I'm a dummy. And I'm certainly willing to change tactics and learn. 

 

It's dead winter? No kidding?  Then why are you asking me where to find a "big group?"

 

No, I'm not in the Appalachians.  

 

Yes, they do get snow in the Appalachians.  I was a Federal Trust Examiner in Miami when it snowed there one day, come to think of it.

 

Maybe. Maybe BF has similar challenges as they do in the West, maybe they had different advantages - I don't know.

 

No, I'm not aware of anyone who has a large group "staked out."

 

Yes, I do know where some are, and have lived for about a century.

 

I had a meeting engagement - I didn't find them.

 

Likely, they're eating whatever they set aside for winters - like they do every winter, and have for centuries.

 

I know for certain three separate individuals.  Others could have been repetitive sightings of the same ones - I have no idea.

 

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Edited January 27, 2017 by FarArcher

[norseman]

Because I thought you said they stayed together in big groups? But if your talking about the everglades? That would make sense. No winter there.

 

So you were just out for a hike and found yourself surrounded by three individuals? Is that correct?

 

And I thought you had an area this group was living in pretty well pegged? Smaller area, lots of cover, food and water.

[FarArcher]

Norse, I live in Florida.

 

I work out West quite a bit.  I'll be in the high desert of Nevada this Spring, southern Oklahoma for a while, have to spend some time in South Carolina, and none of it has anything to do with BF.  

 

No, I wasn't surrounded by three, and I've shared that narrative a few times here.  Two black simultaneously, another brownish on another day.  That makes three.

 

I never hunted them.  I never sought them out.  Knowing where there's a good population, knowing a bit about what they do and when is not what I call having them pegged.

 

So many folks seem desperate and when there's a sighting location - then want to go chasing.  It may take a while, but it will eventually get figured out why that doesn't work.

 

 

[norseman]

So what makes you think they live in large groups? Are you seeing tracks? Scat? Are you hearing calls? No offense but sighting ones and twos does not constitute a large group. How far apart were your two sightings?

[FarArcher]

I did run to the ridge top with four others.  Spotted here and there, I'd see something that wasn't quite right with some small clusters of trees.  Only when I got there, it was a shelter using native poles and sticks - and at the time I didn't make the connection.  After all, I was a non-believer, and had no interest in them, had not read any material on them - nothing.  They had a good view of all lines of approach.

 

I was a bit surprised, as the floors inside were as clean as though they'd been swept.  My own comparison was "a cow could lay down in here."  Multiples of these things.  

 

There are two kinds of locals.  First is the louder and more boisterous type that  would say, "I've been all over everywhere, and I've never seen ****."  The other kind is the hard working, more reserved and quiet types who - if asked by another local they knew - would reluctantly say, "Yeah, I see them all the time on the way to work crossing the road."  Or, "Yeah, I haven't been up there, but (several miles away) I have seen some a few times over in the XXXX area.  They've run my *** out more than a few times."

 

So when I get out a map, it quickly gets obvious that there are multiple families, some separated by five miles or so.  Lots of water, lots of concealment, lots of berries, lots of deer, even some cattle on and in those mountains.

 

I may be completely FOS on that assumption about the multiple families.  But if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck  .  .  .

 

I used to hunt men.  Most times, I was given a starting point, and a destination point to find them.  That was a complete waste of time.  Only after days and days of seeing nothing, I'd be asked if I thought I could find some action.  I'd retire with my map, and tell them I could.  And every time, I'd find a good sized group within 48 hours.  Every time.

 

They never figured out how I could always find these guys - without fail.  I think they actually liked the idea that I had some mojo or something.  Our little group had the highest number of kills of any unit in country - and they liked that too.  Manhunting is much, much different from just hunting.  And I learned from some of the best.

 

Yes, I know where some are.  Yes, they're still there.  They've been there for at least a century - probably a lot longer.  Recently, one of my fellow team members had a tree thrown across the "road" right in front of him.  Yeah.  They're there alright.  

[Yuchi1]

14 hours ago, norseman said:

If you say I'm wrong and that they do not migrate? There would be no "scenario" in which I was on or not on a major migration route.

 

I thought I asked a pretty straight forward question. I'll try again.

 

Its winter here. They live in large groups and do not migrate. Where would I go to find such a large group in the northern Rockies now?

 

First, I do not believe you're a dummy, hardheaded yes, dummy, no.

 

It's apparent, from your lack of success, there are no BF in your locale.

 

Where did the NA's go for winter camp? That should be your first logistical consideration.

[norseman]

They built a town there.

[Yuchi1]

If there's a development there, "BF Estates", there ya go!

[norseman]

It's Kettle Falls. The largest falls west of the Mississippi until Grand Coulee dam flooded it. Which also killed one of the worlds largest salmon runs all the way up into British Columbia.

[Yuchi1]

All that habitat destruction....

[norseman]

Yes. But Californians get electricity and Columbia basin farmers get irrigation.

 

So its a trade off. 

 

But it would be dang nice to walk out my front door and catch a 50 lbs king salmon.

[hiflier]

That would be nice!. Some paracord tied to a meat hook would be all ya need to haul one in  Seriously though that was good eating for grizzly and Sasquatch on that river. But as you say it's a trade off. I can almost hear Bigfoot quote the Joker in the first Batman movie: Those Humans have the most marvelous toys.

[norseman]

They have never damned up the Fraser river in BC. And wild Griz still eat wild salmon around Prince George BC. Farthest inland that it happens anymore in North America.

 

Jim Boyd has a cool song about the loss of the salmon.