New Bindernagel presentation on Alert Bay Vocalization

[Guest Cryptic Megafauna]

 

[Patterson-Gimlin]

Thank you for sharing. I enjoyed the eerie sounds  . Certainly not moose, but not undiscovered ape men either.

Sounds more like lonely loons to me.

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[Guest Cryptic Megafauna]

He's busy, so here is another...

 

[norseman]

I think the sounds are Moose.

 

 

[Guest Cryptic Megafauna]

2 hours ago, norseman said:

I think the sounds are Moose.

 

I think Bindernagel was a bit off myself. The island would be too small and to populated to hide Bigfoot. 

[norseman]

That doesn't bother me, if Grizzly bear can swim to the island so could other mammals. And presumably off again either to Vancouver Is. or the mainland.

 

 

[MikeZimmer]

9 hours ago, norseman said:

I think the sounds are Moose.

 

 

 

 

Not so sure about the Vancouver Island/Alert Bay region reports being moose. As far as I know that is well outside of their range.

 

There are Roosevelt Elk on Vancouver Island, but I have not found out if they are up in the Alert Bay region.  I have not looked up Roosevelt Elk calls either.

 

From http://www.outdoorcanada.ca/Overcoming_the_Challenges_of_Hunting_On_Vancouver_Island

 

"Vancouver Island offers many hunting opportunities for various game species. While moose are unknown, the large Roosevelt Elk can reach 1100 pounds, (500kg). Limited openings for this elk subspecies are available from the provincial government through a tag lottery system. Black bear and, rarely, mountain goat, are the only other large game animals found. Some grizzly bear sightings have been made in recent years but these cannot be hunted, currently. "

 

Also, with reference to Patterson-Gimlin's post above, this does not sound like a loon at all, to my ears.

 

 

[BobbyO]

12 hours ago, Cryptic Megafauna said:

I think Bindernagel was a bit off myself. The island would be too small and to populated to hide Bigfoot. 

 

What Island ? Vancouver Island ?

[MikeZimmer]

5 hours ago, BobbyO said:

 

What Island ? Vancouver Island ?

 

 

I took Cryptic Megafauna to mean Cormorant Island.

 

More on Cormorant Island here: http://www.vancouverislandnorth.ca/communities/alert-bay/ and  here: http://www.hellobc.com/alert-bay/transportation-maps.aspx

 

Map here: https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Alert+Bay,+BC/@50.5448501,-126.9046024,10.5z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x54637054da428d07:0xab4492f4f2249d10!8m2!3d50.5844855!4d-126.9254093

 

One of my wife's cousins grew up near alert bay in a small town. He worked as a paramedic for a while and would often enough have calls for Alert Bay on Cormorant Island, as I remember his stories.

 

There is logging, fishing, hunting, and a lot of bush on most of Vancouver Island - a very big island - a working days drive from end to end, if you don't stop.  The cities and towns are for the most part at the southern end, along the North-East coast. There are only very small towns up near Cormorant Island.

 

[BobbyO]

Cool thanks for clarifying about Cormorant Island.

 

Vancouver Island is stunning yeah, a beautiful art of the world.

 

I always thought they'd be going between islands up there.

[MikeZimmer]

3 hours ago, BobbyO said:

Cool thanks for clarifying about Cormorant Island.

 

Vancouver Island is stunning yeah, a beautiful art of the world.

 

I always thought they'd be going between islands up there.

 

I imagine you are familiar with the occasional report of swimming Sasquatch.

[norseman]

On 3/20/2017 at 9:19 PM, MikeZimmer said:

 

 

Not so sure about the Vancouver Island/Alert Bay region reports being moose. As far as I know that is well outside of their range.

 

There are Roosevelt Elk on Vancouver Island, but I have not found out if they are up in the Alert Bay region.  I have not looked up Roosevelt Elk calls either.

 

From http://www.outdoorcanada.ca/Overcoming_the_Challenges_of_Hunting_On_Vancouver_Island

 

"Vancouver Island offers many hunting opportunities for various game species. While moose are unknown, the large Roosevelt Elk can reach 1100 pounds, (500kg). Limited openings for this elk subspecies are available from the provincial government through a tag lottery system. Black bear and, rarely, mountain goat, are the only other large game animals found. Some grizzly bear sightings have been made in recent years but these cannot be hunted, currently. "

 

Also, with reference to Patterson-Gimlin's post above, this does not sound like a loon at all, to my ears.

 

 

 

The sounds are not Elk. And while there are no Moose on Vancouver Island they are on the main land.

 

Map

http://www.nhptv.org/wild/moose.asp

 

Accounts of swimming Deer and Moose being attacked by Orca.

 

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2016/12/22/Whale-watching-boat-witnesses-swimming-deers-near-miss-with-transient-killer-whales/6841482428895/

[MikeZimmer]

6 minutes ago, norseman said:

 

The sounds are not Elk. And while there are no Moose on Vancouver Island they are on the main land.

 

Map

http://www.nhptv.org/wild/moose.asp

 

 

From the map in your link, it looks as if the range of moose does come right up to the coast of mainland BC across from Vancouver Island, but it is not a great map for detail.
 

If I am using Google Earth correctly, the "swims" from island to island to mainland seem to be under a couple of miles per hop. I have read that in places up there in the Broughton Archipelago, the tidal currents are pretty fierce. It appears that you get into very mountainous terrain pretty quickly on the mainland. There are lots of fjords. I have no idea how good that country is as moose habitat. It is not much like the moose habitat I know from the Canadian Shield country.

 

If moose come up right to the mainland coast, it is curious that they have not migrated to Vancouver Island. Grizzly have, though as far as I know that was only in the last few decades. Puzzling that, if my understanding of the timeline is correct.

 

I am tempted to ask my wife's cousin if he knows, since he has hunted in that region for years, though I don't know if he has hunted on the mainland.He may well be able to tell me if the range of moose extends right to the coast on the mainland in that area. I know his ex worked across the strait on the mainland at a wilderness resort.

 

I will see if I can get more precise information on moose range from the internet.

 

 

 

 

 

[norseman]

BC Witness would be one of the guys to ask on this forum.