norseman Posted April 7, 2017 Admin Share Posted April 7, 2017 https://cosmosmagazine.com/palaeontology/stone-tools-may-not-have-been-made-by-human-ancestors-research-finds?ref=yfp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branco Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Someone's train jumped the track down at "Now it seems that flakes per se may not represent what we thought they did. Capuchins pound rocks together to crack them open and lick the powdered quartz, probably to access dietary minerals. The process sends flakes flying in every direction. But the monkeys don’t use the flakes as tools; they just leave them lying about." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 9, 2017 Admin Author Share Posted April 9, 2017 http://www.livescience.com/56543-monkeys-accidentally-make-stone-tools.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branco Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Scientists; gotta love'em. Monkey's didn't "accidentally make stone tools", they broke rocks. And this one: "The scientists said they aren't sure why the monkeys perform this behavior, but they did see the capuchins licking the rocks after breaking them. It's possible, the scientists wrote in Nature, that the capuchins are eating lichens or trace minerals from the rocks." I figure they can rule out the possibility the monkeys were breaking open the rocks to get to the lichens. Maybe the rocks were rounded, and the monkey just wanted to may sure there wasn't a nut inside. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyzonthropus Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Maybe the licking was demonstration that monkeys have yet to discover a technique to determine fracture planes... "hmmm..tastes like about a 45 degree angle from current perpendicular...." Or maybe not..doesn't meant that some time in the future (either near or far) that some monkey might realize those chips and shards could prove useful in different applications other than mere "licking stones" Who's to say our own development of knapping stone didn't arise from some similar behaviour once one of us thought "dang that rock is sharp! I just cut myself on it!.......wait a second!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JDL Posted May 9, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2017 Or it's political. For so long anthropology has defined tool creation as a primary characteristic of Homo OnMyWaytoSapiens, that they have to in some way downplay tool creation by species that they don't or don't want to consider human. They should make a movie about apes getting smart and becoming a problem. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Dog Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Just my opinion, but they aren't making tools until they take one up and use it as such. Until then, they have potential to be tools, but are just rock chips up to that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted May 10, 2017 Admin Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 I think the question they are asking is how do you tell the two stone flakes apart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I found the article to be very interesting. I took an anthropology class in the fall, and we talked about the exact same thing. I learned that H. habilis had made the flakes. Then, I also learned about the different tools the earlier humans used. In my anthropology class, I was never taught about monkeys making the flakes. However, we did go over the relatives that were still ape like. I wish I learned about monkeys actually making the flakes in class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjeti Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 There are some possible incidences of sasquatches making stone tools and using them, like hand axes and cutting tools. Here's a book review of a book that alleges evidence of that. http://sasquatchresearchers.org/blogs/bigfootjunction/2015/02/11/book-review-of-sasquatch-tool-use/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 For a little while now I have been marveling at the way scientists take a teeny bit of information and go a long long LONG way with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted May 26, 2017 Admin Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 Monkeys making stone flakes that are indistinguishable from flakes found by anthropologists in supposed human ancestor digs? Is not teeny. Its a giant monkey wrench. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, norseman said: Monkeys making stone flakes that are indistinguishable from flakes found by anthropologists in supposed human ancestor digs? Is not teeny. Its a giant monkey wrench. Disqualified posting, as you failed to use any ALL-CAPS. Just now, norseman said: Monkeys making stone flakes that are indistinguishable from flakes found by anthropologists in supposed human ancestor digs? Is not teeny. Its a giant monkey wrench. Disqualified posting, as you failed to use any ALL-CAPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) And why? Because anthropologists in supposed human ancestor digs were taking a teeny bit of information and going a long long LONG way with it. Edited May 26, 2017 by DWA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted May 28, 2017 Admin Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 How so? Our ancestors made stone tools. A byproduct of that is stone flakes? Is this just more knee jerk science bashing? Or are you truly trying to share something germane to the discussion? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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