Native American understandings

[Yuchi1]

Don't worry the land is coming back....with each pull of the slot machines....

[Yuchi1]

2 hours ago, hiflier said:

 

That's because they are HUMAN and so no different than any other in the brutality department. The English, the French, the Russians, the Germans, the Africans, the Chinese- ALL of those people were, and are still, brutal. It isn't the brutality that is the issue. In fact it's normal. What is the issue is the right some people assume for themselves in taking over a land that they invaded. That's the issue. There is no automatic permission in place for anyone to do that. Manifest Destiny- well isn't that a sucky excuse dreamt up to make it all perfectly alright.  WRONG! It's NEVER alright. It's a natural thing in our civilization to do- but it still doesn't make it OK. 'Pilgrims' robbed Native American grave site as soon as they got off the Mayflower. The plundering of NA graves continues but few know about the practice or its history: http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/324 

 

"The looting of graves, however, continues. In 1999, 80% of the graves in a traditional Snoqualmie burial ground in Washington were looted by professional grave robbers using a backhoe"

Don't forget scalping was taught to NA's by the Europeans.

 

Who broke almost every treaty between the US gov't and the sovereign NA Nations?

 

Who gave NA's "gifts" of blankets that happened to be laced with smallpox.

 

Bottom line, the Europeans were initially welcomed (for the most part) by the east coast NA's and it wasn't until later (and, too late) they recognized them as the invasion force they actually were and tried to initiate counteractions. Out west, the situation was a bit different as by then NA's were better armed (largely due to the French influence) and some tribes had adopted the horse culture and were therefore mobile to a greater extent. This made the suppression of NA's much more problematic with things basically culminating in Wounded Knee which was the army's revenge for the a$$ kicking they took at Little Bighorn.

 

BTW, not all Europeans were dirty dealers. The French philosophy of accepting different peoples for who they were and what they were lends itself to the fact their problems with NA's were minimal compared to the British mantra of conformist dogma and it's belligerent bent toward all that didn't bend a knee. Andrew Jackson and Mirabeau Lamar were among the (higher level) worst offenders of bad faith dealings although others of their ilk were legion in numbers. Bottom line, those who don't realize and accept their history are often doomed to repeat it.

 

So, if I were a Sasquatch, heck yes I'd take the covert lifestyle route...after what all I saw done to the First Americans by those thieving, lying, land grabbing, murdering sumbeatches.

 

[hiflier]

From what I've read here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalping scalping was a method used by both Old and New Worlds before the two hemispheres ever met.

 

SPOILER ALERT- we are all adults here (I think) but the reading isn't for the squeamish.

Edited August 11, 2017 by hiflier

[Yuchi1]

During the French & Indian War, scalps were the means by which the Europeans paid bounties to NA's as well as other Europeans.

Edited August 11, 2017 by Yuchi1

[JDL]

There's a difference between taking scalps for a bounty and taking them as trophies. 

[wiiawiwb]

On 8/10/2017 at 4:25 PM, Yuchi1 said:

Don't worry the land is coming back....with each pull of the slot machines....

 

Not a chance. With every pull of the whiskey bottle or beer, they keep sinking themselves. Alcoholism is rampant in the Indian community. One in ten deaths are alcohol related.

 

The rate of fetal disorders related to the parents' alcoholism is through the roof. That is disgraceful to poison your own babies who can't even help themselves. Absolutely pathetic.

 

Too many pulls of the firewater to worry about the slot machine pulls. The land stays where it lays.

[SWWASAS]

I quite frankly wonder why Native American tribes who have been cheated out of their land by the government breaking treaties have not taken their case to the World Court.     That court is no friend of the US and probably would find in favor of the Native American tribes.     I had a book plot idea at one time where the Native American tribes in North Dakota took over military bases there and became nuclear powers before getting their land back permanently through the World Court.  

[wiiawiwb]

The World Court aka International Court of Justice has no jurisdiction over matters like these.

[Yuchi1]

The Cherokees took the state of Georgia to SCOTUS over such behavior and the ruling went in their favor. That's when the POTUS (Jackson) told SCOTUS to get

their own army and enforce their own ruling. He did enforce the Indian Removal Act.

 

What's especially ironic is the Cherokees & Yuchi's saved his arse during the Battle of Horseshoe Bend (against the Creeks) and then he double dealt them, after the fact. Many NA's won't carry $20 bills because of that SOB:

4 hours ago, wiiawiwb said:

 

Not a chance. With every pull of the whiskey bottle or beer, they keep sinking themselves. Alcoholism is rampant in the Indian community. One in ten deaths are alcohol related.

 

The rate of fetal disorders related to the parents' alcoholism is through the roof. That is disgraceful to poison your own babies who can't even help themselves. Absolutely pathetic.

 

Too many pulls of the firewater to worry about the slot machine pulls. The land stays where it lays.

 

You need to come to Oklahoma and see what's happening. As Tribal Sovereignty continues to be expanded via federal action, the shoe is slowly and surely headed to the other foot.

[norseman]

http://www.lemhi-shoshone.com/

 

When they had a petition to return to the Lemhi valley, I signed it. We are indebted to Sacajawea and her people.

[Yuchi1]

If Lewis & Clark had my directionally challenged German bride instead, they probably would have ended up in Argentina.

 

The Meriwether Lewis memorial is located just off the Natchez Trace Parkway near Napier, Tennessee about 1/4 mile from where mom's family had their timber operations.

[wiiawiwb]

In the end, the group with more intellect, strength, and desire won.  I'm not wishing the Europeans won nor am I glad the Indians were killed.

 

In our world, the strong survive and the weak are taken. It has been that way since time immortal. We can argue whether it was for better or for worse but in the end Indians, like Neanderthal, didn't have what was necessary and lost out.

Edited August 13, 2017 by wiiawiwb

[Yuchi1]

W,

 

The Europeans "won" because they had better technology (guns) and the biological edge (immunity to the diseases they deployed upon NA's) however, their historical behavior certainly illustrated they were not better human beings. Instead, they were just more technologically advanced predators and as such should not be surprised when they are eventually conquered and supplanted. 

 

The continuing march of tribal sovereignty in this country as well as the same for Aboriginal rights in Australia indicates this process is taking more of a legal path instead of military force option as the Europeans originally chose.

[Incorrigible1]

Yuchi, you seem entirely consumed. I take it you have NA blood. What would you like to see to rectify things?

[Yuchi1]

http://www.ifthelegendsfade.com/

 

This is the book cousin published (2000) about grandmother.

 

What's done is done.

 

However, the real history of this nation should be taught in school rather than the sanitized version currently in vogue. This would go a long way in alleviating the risk unread history gets repeated.

 

With majors in political science & history along with the benefit of having a bevy of professors that subscribed to the John Birch point of view, an "education" in the history of duplicity and outright genocide waged by the government upon the people already here when they arrived probably is the foundational basis for a lot of my perspective.

 

The correlation of all this to the world of Sasquatch is perhaps consideration they are not the dumb animals/monsters some in this endeavor would postulate, is warranted.