Field trips 2.0

[georgerm]

On 7/27/2018 at 9:23 AM, SWWASAS said:

As I said I do not doubt that you probably heard BF making the knocks.    But what do we learn from that?   First we have to assume that BF is making them instead of some human in the area.     The problem with humans making them, is that we can only guess what they mean to BF.    My first experience with them was when one nearly ran over me and made 4 rapid knocks.     I suspect it was to warn the other it was moving through the woods with.  In the years that follow, often when I would slam my truck door before heading out, I would hear a distant knock in response.    If the rapid knocks were a danger warning,   why would any human want to make them,  warn BF, who would simply  move away.     Hypothetically lets say you frequent the same area for years.    You knock,  and  there knocks in return.    Sure you can scout around and probably be comfortable that the knocks were made by BF instead of humans.     Beyond that, it might be informative to know that when there are return knocks something is there making them.     That is always good to know.    But you could spend decades doing that and not learn anything more.      You knock they knock,   and that is all you know.  

 

 I want a visual encounter.        My theory is that most BF encounters are with a BF that has no idea you are there.    They prefer not to be seen and if they know you are there, they are more careful to avoid you.    Knock and they know not only you are there, but where you are.  That makes it much easier for them to avoid you and eliminates most chance that you can see them.  I prefer to park and insert into a distant area, be a quiet as I can be, listen for movement,  and make random changes in direction.   Making it hard for any BF to know where I am and harder for them to avoid me.    To date that has worked once for me, out of pure chance, and now I continue to use the same field technique.    As I age that technique is getting more difficult for me, especially in the mountains.     I may have to just find an active area and wait for them to come in.     Some claim that works, but I guess I don't have the patience yet to do that.    i guess what I am saying is do what seems to work for your BF and your area.      I would like to find an area with a grumpy BF that wants to escort me out.    That aggressiveness might result in visual contact or better yet,   video.    One can only hope.   

Lately, I've been listening to PacWest Bigfoot on Youtube and many of the reports depicts bigfoot as a cranky, mean creature that threatens humans in their territory. How often this happens is unknown but some people are getting a scare of a lifetime. Is entering their domain overly risky?

 

Matt Johnson sleeps out in the open. He then lets bigfoot find him. Maybe looking for bigfoot pisses them off, and they are saying we will find you and don't try to find us or else. To complicate things Johnson goes on to say there are two species of bigfoot in the Pacific Northwest. One is kind and paranormal while the other is a mean, cranky animal. What's your opinion?

 

I want to sleep out in under the stars but I might just need to pack my 38 special just in case. What say you?

 

[MindSquatch]

8 minutes ago, georgerm said:

Lately, I've been listening to PacWest Bigfoot on Youtube and many of the reports depicts bigfoot as a cranky, mean creature that threatens humans in their territory. How often this happens is unknown but some people are getting a scare of a lifetime. Is entering their domain overly risky?

 

Matt Johnson sleeps out in the open. He then lets bigfoot find him. Maybe looking for bigfoot pisses them off, and they are saying we will find you and don't try to find us or else. To complicate things Johnson goes on to say there are two species of bigfoot in the Pacific Northwest. One is kind and paranormal while the other is a mean, cranky animal. What's your opinion?

 

I want to sleep out in under the stars but I might just need to pack my 38 special just in case. What say you?

 

Just from pass reports in the area I go, the Bigfoot's have been cranky and agressive to witnesses leading me to believe according to Dr Johnson, these are the not so nice ones. If you were to see the photo I have of one of them, they aren't very Friendly looking, probably rip your head off if you pissed him off enough.

[SWWASAS]

4 hours ago, georgerm said:

Lately, I've been listening to PacWest Bigfoot on Youtube and many of the reports depicts bigfoot as a cranky, mean creature that threatens humans in their territory. How often this happens is unknown but some people are getting a scare of a lifetime. Is entering their domain overly risky?

 

Matt Johnson sleeps out in the open. He then lets bigfoot find him. Maybe looking for bigfoot pisses them off, and they are saying we will find you and don't try to find us or else. To complicate things Johnson goes on to say there are two species of bigfoot in the Pacific Northwest. One is kind and paranormal while the other is a mean, cranky animal. What's your opinion?

 

I want to sleep out in under the stars but I might just need to pack my 38 special just in case. What say you?

 

Most of those blog shows sensationalize the whole thing and some downright fabricate stuff.      There are only a few places I know of in Washington where the BF are cranky and try to run you off.      The Granite Falls area in Northern WA is one of those.    Unfortunately or perhaps fortunately for my health the areas I frequent are not those.     The ones I interacted with were friendly and mischievous until I pestered them too much and they got tired of me being around.    My first encounter which I have related, I was carrying a 357.    When I heard it coming through the underbrush and heard those thuds of footfalls I realized the gun would not likely stop one should it decide to attack.   Since then I have pretty much carried it for cougar (which have been a problem for me)  and black bear who might charge.   Probably not enough gun for a bear but might be if I got off a lucky shot.      I have heard enough stories about BF disemboweling things that at least I could use it on myself to stop suffering should that happen.   I have had contact several times, sometimes provoking them, and they were not interested in killing me.   So I think they are not as much threat as other humans, bear or cougar.   Most people that get escorted out or run off,   are fine if they do what BF wants.  They are smart but have their own agenda.   In the last few years I talk to them when I think or know they are around.    I think it defuses the situation if they know you are calm and not going to do anything like start shooting at them or something.   I have no idea if they understand but I think it does not hurt.    When I got zapped with infrasound I asked them to stop because it hurt.      When I did, it stopped immediately.    I would not draw a gun on them unless you think you are about to be killed.   That act might provoke them.    They have seen enough deer hunters that they have to know what guns do.  

Edited August 3, 2018 by SWWASAS

[georgerm]

Seems like when humans walk around the forest or take long hikes and camp, many never consider the area could be claimed by bigfoots. Many have no idea, that four or five angry bigfoots are watching and ready to use fear to push them out.  How are the hikers supposed to know? Do some bigfoot families invite 'bigfoot whisperers' to remain. 

 

Usually the area is marked by a variety of signs and if ignored, then consequences may include close noises, rock throwing and finally mock charges.. Hopefully,  my seventy years in Oregon have been spent getting into Oregon's natural areas. Then reading enough BFF field reports helps identify BF's land claims.  

 

Some clans may have leaders that are short tempered and vicious. This is where packing a large caliber gun is a necessity just in case. You out of hundreds of forest hikers, just blindly stumbled into bigfoot's front yard. The short tempered clan leaders use intense fear tactics to move the intruders out. We can read the territory markers to prevent this.  Anyway, let us know what you are finding.  take care,      GM

 

 

[SWWASAS]

The active area of my first encounters and first footprint find was near a heavily used human forest trail.    It had been there for a very long time and I got the impression BF had too.  There was something in the area that kept them around.    I found reports going back many decades.  Those reports got me looking there in the first place.  So rather than raise a fuss they seemed to accept human presence in that area.     Lacking were signs of their presence like break off trees,  tepee structures etc that are often mentioned in other areas.    Had they done any of that they would simply have alerted humans of their presence.      While i did fairly often find footprints, it was obvious to me that they took great pains to avoid leaving themt.  Only making them when they had no choice because of conditions.    Further away from human active areas I found stumps with rock stacks that seemed to define trails.    Most often three rocks,  usually stacked, but sometimes just on the stump, as if they had been stacked at one point and blown down.    The number three seemed to be significant somehow.   The trails were faint but visible during the day time but perhaps the rock stacks on stumps allowed the trail to be followed in faint moon or star light.   In some cases these faint trails paralleled nearby human trails.     So it was not for easy going but going in the same direction of the human trails without using them.    Having the advantage of use of an airplane has allowed me to scout over areas well away from any roads, logging or otherwise in Skamania County WA.   I often see trails, that are not found on maps.   Some may be very old logging roads mostly grown over but some are through rugged terrain that would indicate grades loaded logging trucks would not be capable of traversing.         I suspect in truely remote areas, there may literally be trails that only BF use.    They certainly seem unknown to man because I cannot find them on detailed USGS or State maps. .   Perhaps  originally used by NA,  these trails fell into disuse when the NA lost their need to be in the woods, and BF started using them, in way reclaiming the woods for themselves. .  

[georgerm]

You bring up an interesting point about parallel trails while on field trips. There are many reports that bigfoot shadows or parallels hikers seemingly to observe them and to remain hidden. When the hiker stops so does bigfoot, and this usually spooks the hiker. This happened to my wife while hiking a mile or two back to her car near Hyatt Lake east of Ashland, Oregon. She first saw a peeker looking over a rock pile. She thought it was a bear, but I told her many reports describe BF as a peeker and its desire to parallel hikers. Do bears parallel hikers?

 

You made a good point, that bigfoots probably avoid leaving prints and the best way is to use brushy dry trails humans avoid. Blazing new trails is not a problem for bigfoot since being 8' tall and covered with hair makes it easy to walk through brush that averages 6' tall. The ground is covered with leaves and retains no prints like well worn human trails. Bigfoot may not be bothered by ticks when walking through dense brush.

 

My research area is by South Slough Estuary west of Coos Bay. A lady reported being paralled during her entire hour hike, and she was freaked out. This works for getting humans out of their area. 

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[NCBFr]

On 8/3/2018 at 7:19 PM, SWWASAS said:

  In the last few years I talk to them when I think or know they are around.    I think it defuses the situation if they know you are calm and not going to do anything like start shooting at them or something.   I have no idea if they understand but I think it does not hurt.    When I got zapped with infrasound I asked them to stop because it hurt.      When I did, it stopped immediately.    

 

How exactly do you speak with them?  

[wiiawiwb]

Probably in the same manner or way people speak to coastal brown bears as they walk through areas with a high concentration of them. Calmly saying, "Hey Bear, hey bear."

[SWWASAS]

7 hours ago, NCBFr said:

 

How exactly do you speak with them?  

I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they understand like a human would.    If they don't it cannot hurt, and if they have some idea of our language as some claim,  then they might have some inkling what I am saying.   I talk to them about what I am doing,  how hot it is,  and how I sure would like to see them.    To speak to them treats them as equals.     I don't think they get much of that from humans and they might resent it.    They had thousands of years to pick up Native American languages and might have learned it just by observing interactions between NA.   But here comes us Europeans, and in reality BF have only had since the 1840s in the PNW to learn anything of European languages.   Some in Florida claim that their Swamp Apes speak smatterings of Spanish words.      The Spanish were there much longer than English speaking people have been to date and might have picked up more of Spanish than English.       Without direct contact, it is difficult to impossible to learn a language.   You have to observe a language in use to get some sort of context to learn it.   BF may have their own language but their self imposed isolation from humans has likely prevented most of them from learning ours.   Some habituators claim their local BF speak sort of pigeon English of words that they have picked it up watching the land owners.     Some day I will do a transcript of my conversation with the BF during the time it zapped me.      It is entertaining but shows how scared I was.    

Edited August 5, 2018 by SWWASAS

[NCBFr]

I would love to see the transcript.  However, what I meant to ask was do you speak with them with your normal voice, loud voice, whispers, mind speak, or something else.  Also, have you ever heard the drunked japanese vocalization? I have tried the mind speak route with no measurable results.  

 

Too bad we are thousands of miles apart, would love to meet you over drinks or dinner to swap stories.

[SWWASAS]

I use a normal talking voice.  I have never experienced the mind speak woo stuff.     Since I don't receive it why bother to try to transmit it?   One would think if some BF do it, they all would do it, and at some point when I was pestering them too much, they would have told me to go home as I was scaring off the deer.     Are you referring to the Samurai chatter that Ron Morehead recorded in the Sierra Sounds?   I heard that once.   Thought to myself why would some Asian child be out here in the woods talking?   Sounded like a child's voice.    Expected some Asian family to come walking down the trail nearby but no one came.  I even walked over to the trail and looked both ways then wondered where they went.     A couple of hours later found a wood and rock glyph on the same stump where I had put down and dug into my pack. 

[NCBFr]

Very cool and yes, I was referring to the Samurai chatter.

[Explorer]

I went to the Mt. Adams area in Washington (Gifford Pinchot National Forest) during first week of August to explore a couple of wilderness areas and the GPNF.

 

The first area I visited was the Mt. Adams Wilderness.  I took the Short Horn trail out of Morrison Campground (~4,700 ft) up to Round-the-Mountain trail (~6,100 ft).  Main reason I visited this location was to explore the panic attack location that a BFF member posted a few years back (see link below with his story).  Unfortunately, the area has gone thru 3 forest fires since 2011 and looks completely different than when the original poster had his panic attack in 2003.  Below are some of the pictures I took around the GPS coordinates that he provided.  There was nothing particular or unusual about that location.   

 

http://bigfootforums.com/topic/49276-panic-attack-in-the-woods-is-not-evidence-of-bf-presence/?do=findComment&comment=869860

 

 

The second area I visited was the Indian Heaven Wilderness which is well known for bigfoot encounters.  I went up the Cultus Creek trail #108, joined the PCT and then looped back via Cultus Creek trail #33.  The PCT trail elevation was about 5,100 ft while Cultus TH started at ~4,000 ft.  This area was beautiful but full of mosquitos (due probably to the large number of lakes).  I ran into 2 PCT hikers and they both complained about the mosquitos.  These two young men started on the border with Mexico and were starting the crossing of WA State.  I asked them if they ran into any wildlife that scared them, and they said that they had not seen any bears.  One said he crossed Oregon in 16 days and was planning to cross WA in 20 days. Below are a couple of pictures of the lakes plus a view of Mt. Adams looking NE of my position.  I took a panoramic photo to illustrate the expansiveness of that forest.

 

I did not see or hear any evidence of BF during my 5 days stay in the area (but I still need to go thru my night-time audio recordings).

 

[norseman]

Keep up the pics! Nice work everyone!

[BC witness]

Great outing report and pictures, Explorer, well done. Part off the PCT runs through my group's region, too, as does a portion of the Trans Canada Trail and BC's Centennial Trail.

 

This is why I revived my old thread, to hear other's adventures, as well as show off my own area. Keep it up, folks.

Edited August 8, 2018 by BC witness
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