Guest Tyler H Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Silver Fox I gotta say, for having a BA in journalism, you have vetted next to nothing about your story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Silver Fox Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Silverfox, I would sincerely hope that you have your facts straight before you go on blog talk radio, but I realize that may be asking a bit much of you given your style of journalism. I really hope you are getting all the attention you were hoping for by releasing your ridiculously inaccurate blog post. Sorry to be short but I'm angry that you did this. Next time you decide to pop the big story, for Gods sake do five minutes of homework. Bye the way, I will follow you on multiple Blog talk radio shows and clean up ANY inaccuracies you spit out. As a matter of fact I'll go on national television and point them out as well. This story will be told truthfully. I will accept nothing less. That's not a threat, it's an absolute promise. Ah yes, and exactly what are the "facts" of this situation anyway? Your version? The shooter's version? Bear Hunter's version? Erickson's version? Stubstad's version? Ketchum's version? As you can see, I already know several folks' version of this tale. How am I to determine the facts? By listening to you? LOL. You could be lying through your teeth for all I know. How am I to determine if you are being truthful or not? Honestly, I am trying to do just that with everyone involved here including you, but it's not so easy. As you can see, it's impossible to formally and scientifically get my facts straight on this story? Everyone's got a different story, and yep, I am checking yours out too. I was told while interviewing BH that you would be furious that this info was released. That's precisely the reason I didn't bother to contact you. I'm no masochist. Feel free to follow me around all you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Silver Fox Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Dang, seems like Silver messed up here. Not to take sides on the matter though, but with all the hush-hush how would someone know who's telling the truth? One person says this. Another person says that. But with no real proof it's all talk. Nah, I didn't mess up at all. If someone is inaccurate, take it up with the guy I interviewed. We interview people, ask them questions, they tell us stuff. We just write it down and go from there. Face facts, the essential basics of the story are correct, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chewie Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Ah yes, and exactly what are the "facts" of this situation anyway? Your version? The shooter's version? Bear Hunter's version? Erickson's version? Stubstad's version? Ketchum's version? As you can see, I already know several folks' version of this tale. How am I to determine the facts? By listening to you? LOL. You could be lying through your teeth for all I know. How am I to determine if you are being truthful or not? Honestly, I am trying to do just that with everyone involved here including you, but it's not so easy. As you can see, it's impossible to formally and scientifically get my facts straight on this story? Everyone's got a different story, and yep, I am checking yours out too. I was told while interviewing BH that you would be furious that this info was released. That's precisely the reason I didn't bother to contact you. I'm no masochist. Feel free to follow me around all you wish. I gotta agree with the Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Wild story (not even a good tall tale), poorly documented & vetted, and impossible to verify. I have a feeling someone or someone will be going down as the biggest hoaxers since the Georgia Boys, and a few others will lose any credibility they have for buying it at face value. As I have for decades I patiently wait to have my socks blown off, but I have learned not to hold my breath.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 This story will be told truthfully. I will accept nothing less. That's not a threat, it's an absolute promise. If related, and it seems to be, shall we begin with extrapolating some truth from what Surveyor posted? ______________________________________________________________________________ Surveyor said: I dug up a thread from May 2010 that Ken Walker participated in as "skywalker". The question posed in the thread was this: So Hypothetically speaking, If I had a sasquatch in my sights, and pulled the trigger, what would be the legal ramifications???? Is it protected under some kind of endangered species legislation?? What is the legality of shooting any new species of animal for that matter???? If it has never been identified before and it is shot and killed? If all other legal issues are met, as in WIN card,PAL, properly registered firearm etc., what would happen to me, if I was out bear hunting, had a sasquatch appear out of nowhere, and dropped it just to prove its existance??[/Quote] One of (Ken Walker's) comments is quite revealing: No body asks a question like that for no reason. Let me give you a bit of background. 4 years ago 2 of my friends told me accounts of these things that happened many years ago.I considered carefully what I was told and by who and came to the conclusion that the accounts were true. But since I didnt believe in these things I allowed myself to believe that they did exist a long time ago and had died out. So I decided to ask my clients, since Im a taxidermist[yes Im that Walker], if they had any accounts from a long time ago. My initial questions were asked to hunters west of the Brazeau as that seemed to be where most accounts that I had heard. I was expecting old stories from loggers etc but what I started getting were accounts from 5, or 3 years back and all very similar. I then started to research via the web and found alot of remarkably similar stories told by folks of good character. But it was not until I was brought into a current situation and saw the evidence[and collected it] with my own eyes did I realize these things exist. I fully understand why people like to ridicule others over this subject. I consider it a character flaw. I used to have it too. The reason I answered this question like I did was because when someone asks a question like this its because they know where one is. Think about it. Another revealing comment (by Ken Walker): If you know of a fresher one find out where and Ill help you dig it up! LOL The current thinking is that these things are Hominids. Thats what I think too. Most sightings these days come from north of Westlock to the Martin hills. Down the forestry trunk road and anywhere along the Pembina. The ones that I know of currently are likely the ones that were seen around Brown creek 5 years ago. Big male, big female, and a little one.[/Quote] Perhaps this is that "current situation"? If so, (Ken Walker) "saw the evidence[and collected it]." Oh, and Ken Walker was also involved with the DNA: "I (Ken Walker) have been told by a very good source that if this creature is proven to exist, that every contract in the wilderness will be subject to review. Even 100 year old forestry contracts. Maybe thats why the provincial government eagerly took the DNA sample I provided them a year ago, but now tell me they refuse to test it."[/Quote] Source: http://www.outdoorsm...hp/t-60841.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bipedalist Posted June 30, 2011 BFF Patron Share Posted June 30, 2011 Bipedalist, there were no dogs involved. Appreciate the response. I guess the key questions now are held by the hunter or accident victim as you wish to view him now. I will say the skywalker posts are very revealing over on the Taxidermy forum that Rod shared and seem to include some details that would lead the reader to believe the sequence of events as to how BF was confronted by vehicle are suspect to this one reader anyhow. I will patiently await the release of the dna data at this point and not go any further with it though. There is little to be gained at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Silver Fox I gotta say, for having a BA in journalism, you have vetted next to nothing about your story. I dont think so. Hey come on its a BF shooting story. That are stories like the "Bluff Creek Masacre" the "coast to coast Shooting Story" and so on. How to investigate something like that? And than there is the fact, that this blog surely isnt silvers day job. And by the way good journalism brings out inside stories, this story (dead bodies or not) is top notch! Its not likely he will get a pulitzer price though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Appreciate the response. I will say the skywalker posts are very revealing over on the Taxidermy forum that Rod shared and seem to include some details that would lead the reader to believe the sequence of events as to how BF was confronted by vehicle are suspect to this one reader anyhow. I'll credit Surveyor because he initially made the post. I simply quoted his post to bring it back into the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Nah, I didn't mess up at all. If someone is inaccurate, take it up with the guy I interviewed. We interview people, ask them questions, they tell us stuff. We just write it down and go from there. Face facts, the essential basics of the story are correct, no? Well, you did mess up in that you stated things that you later said were stated incorrectly, no? In the grand scheme of the story, whether or not the interviewee killed 1,000 bears is fairly inconsequential, but it's still a pretty big mistake if what he actually said was that he "some other verb"-ed those 1,000 bears, right? Given that you embellished a story that was in itself already an embellishment, you could understand the frustration shown when you call it "journalism". If the guy proofread the interview before you posted it, why didn't he change kill to "some other verb" at the time? Also, what's with the "some other verb" stuff anyway? Did he correct you or not? Does he remember what he said? Is he just sure that he said something- anything- other than kill but doesn't remember what it was? Is the "some other word" actually more embarrassing than the original mistake? Can we get a little clarification here? And perhaps an admission that you might have handled this thing juuuuust a bit incorrectly? A teencie-weencie bit incorrectly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wudewasa Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) Killed over a 1000 bear in his lifetime? Wow if the guy is 100 that's 10 bear a year from birth very impressive! I'm aware that the ursine body count is most likely inaccurate, but how the numbers became inflated reminds me of this scene: Edited June 30, 2011 by wudewasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tyler H Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) Silver Fox I can say categorically that you did not follow up, or try to vet several statements that were made in the story. I know this, as I am mentioned in the story. I can also say that you make assertions that I have checked with Bear Hunter, and he has affirmed that he did not say that. So... yeah, you did the job of a gossiper, and not much more, far as I can see. I also want to say that some of you are confusing the interviewee Bear Hunter, with the shooter, who was bear hunting. Edited June 30, 2011 by Tyler H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I thought that it was Miss Marple in the green room with a knife.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cervelo Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) I thought that it was Miss Marple in the green room with a knife.. Awesome!!!! Edited June 30, 2011 by Cervelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Silver Fox Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Well, you did mess up in that you stated things that you later said were stated incorrectly, no? In the grand scheme of the story, whether or not the interviewee killed 1,000 bears is fairly inconsequential, but it's still a pretty big mistake if what he actually said was that he "some other verb"-ed those 1,000 bears, right? Given that you embellished a story that was in itself already an embellishment, you could understand the frustration shown when you call it "journalism". If the guy proofread the interview before you posted it, why didn't he change kill to "some other verb" at the time? Also, what's with the "some other verb" stuff anyway? Did he correct you or not? Does he remember what he said? Is he just sure that he said something- anything- other than kill but doesn't remember what it was? Is the "some other word" actually more embarrassing than the original mistake? Can we get a little clarification here? And perhaps an admission that you might have handled this thing juuuuust a bit incorrectly? A teencie-weencie bit incorrectly? Yeah I screwed up. Of course. Big deal. I don't get paid to write this stuff. I'm not writing for publication or money here, so so what? He got a copy after the story went to press. He got a copy right away, but delayed a day or 2 getting back to me. Maybe he said: I've hugged 1000 bears. I've sexed 1000 bears. I've loved 1000 bears. I've kissed 1000 bears. I've wrestled 1000 bears. I've cooked 1000 bears. Ok? I still swear he shot "shot" but he says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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