Patterson BF

[Somerset]

Two questions,

 

Was it ever seen again?

 

Do you think its still around today?

[Huntster]

No, and no. She looked to be a mature female on the elder side, so probably passed away no later than 1987. Even her offspring would likely passed away by now or be in their final years. But she might have grand-squatches running around....... 😃

[BobbyO]

And if the grand kids are still around, I bet they headed north..;)

[Huntster]

Maybe. It would seem reasonable that as their wilderness haven got invaded and chopped up, they'd move to another lonely area. The problem with that theory, though, is that the invasion was occurring throughout the PNW from central California to southcentral Alaska, including western Canada. While it began in the mid-1800's, it intensified during and after WWII and only started to slow down with the beginning of the environmental movenent in the early 1970's. Looking at Google Earth, the patchwork clearcuts cover the entire PNW. Only relatively small patches of old growth remain here and there. The remaining sasquatches have to settle with mostly second growth forests that have old, degrading roads running through them.

 

But I was pretty impressed with the fact that the forest service roads in the Bluff Creek area are only open to the public for 4 months of the year, so while it isn't untouched pristine wilderness anymore, it's still a wilderness for most of the year.

[norseman]

2 hours ago, BobbyO said:

And if the grand kids are still around, I bet they headed north..;)

 

If I remember correctly?

 

Jimmy Chilcutt identified the same tracks 20 years apart. It was first cast in N. California. And then later in NE Oregon in the Blues.

 

They may have went north but also east to the interior mountains where there wasnt such a human population explosion.

[BobbyO]

That’s right Norse, I remember the Chilcutt stuff although not the specific locations.

 

Good memory..;)

[Patterson-Gimlin]

It is my understanding the film subject was not seen again and curiously Patterson did not return to the area 

 

If the subject is a legitimate animal and not an elaborate hoax then highly unlikely to be around. 

[norseman]

I bet she was seen by someone before and after the event at some point.

 

https://cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bf-oct-5-1958/

 

http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/finding-bigfoot/lists/7-big-feet-at-bluff-creek/

 

 

 

 

[Redbone]

19 minutes ago, norseman said:

I bet she was seen by someone before and after the event at some point.

There were a lot of people looking...

Here are reports in the John Green database from the 50's and 60's for Del Norte County, California

If any single report peaks interest, let me know and I'll share the whole JG report. I'll get to these eventually in the John Green Database Sightings area of this forum.

[norseman]

Lots of Norcal stories and pictures in Patterson book. I found it is in reprint on Amazon and I made a thread to order!

 

 

Average age before death of Mtn Gorilla.

 

https://www.berggorilla.org/en/gorillas/general/facts/how-long-do-gorillas-live/

Edited February 2, 2019 by norseman

[Huntster]

I re-collated Bobbie Short's collection from the area (hers were collated around communities, and I did so chronologically).  I only included those reports between the ocean on the west, I-5 on the east, the Oregon border on the north, and Highway 36 to the south. (These parameters were rather arbitrary and exclude a whole bunch of reports that might include the resident sasquatch population of the region).

 

This should be cross referenced and married up with John Green's and BFRO's database and Tirademan's historical list for a more complete picture, as well as including the Shasta area, southwest Oregon area, and the area between Highway 36 and the Bay Area.

 

My own learning on animal migrations (including those of notable seasonal migrations like barren ground caribou) strongly indicates that migrations over 500 miles are uncommon and unlikely for individual animals. As an example, a migration from the Bluff Creek area directly to the Blue Mountains isn't likely, first because of the distance, and secondly because of the geography between the two regions. If Patty's immediate family migrated out of the area, they almost certainly traveled north or south within either the Coast Range or the Cascades, or southeast around the Shasta shadow into the Sierra Nevada mountains.

 

http://www.bigfootencounters.com

 

1886. Jack Dover and others see Bigfoot between Happy Camp and the Marble Mountains.

 

1934. Dave Zebo follows a set of BF tracks up Weaver Bally Mountain.

 

1936 Dave Zebo sees BF tracks on Mt. Bally heading over the mountain.

 

1952. A man sees a Bigfoot on a dirt road north of Orleans that comes out at the mouth of Bear Creek and goes through Bear Valley. After driving on, he later stops and gets out of the car. The BF comes toward him menacingly, then turns and stalks down the road, then suddenly charges back to attack the car as the man drives away. The BF holds onto the car for 200 yards before letting go.

 

January 1958. Mrs. Bud Ryerson and several others see BF tracks on Martin's Ferry Hill near Weitchpec. [hwy 169 today]

 

August 1958. Road builders Ray Wallace and Jerry Crew find 16-inch BF tracks all around a parked Caterpillar Tractor 20 miles *south of Weitchpec* [sic] just South of Bluff Creek. The tracks reappear a month later and plaster casts are taken. Weekly thereafter, Jerry sees Bigfoot tracks going from Northwest to Southeast on the same logging road. Ray Wallace finds human-like droppings the size of those a 1200 pound horse would make. Wilbur Wallace, Ray's brother, finds a full 55 gallon oil drum carried to the edge of the road and thrown down the hill. He also finds a 20 foot length of 18" culvert carried some distance away and a 700 pound tire & wheel for a "carry all" which had been rolled for a quarter mile and hurled into a ravine.

 

September, 1958. Bigfoot tracks are seen 4 different times on Bluff Creek Road, Titmus is notified.

 

October 1, 1958. Jerry Crew finds a quarter mile of BF tracks on Bluff Creek Road and makes casts after Bob Titmus tells him how to pour the casts.

 

October 12, 1958. Ray Kerr and Leslie Breazeale see a BF cross a 20' road in 2 strides and find tracks several miles south of where they are usually seen on Bluff Creek Road. Hired by Ray Wallace to track BF, they redouble their hunting effort but their dogs disappear a few days later and are never seen again. (The hunting dogs trained by and belonged to Ivan Marx in Burney California who hunted with them).

 

Mid October, 1958. BF tracks are seen again in Bluff Creek.

 

October 23, 1958. BF tracks are seen on Bluff Creek Road once again.

 

October 28, 1958. 2 miles of 16" BF tracks are seen on Bluff Creek Road.

 

October 30, 1958. BF tracks are seen going down a hill from Bluff Creek Road.

 

November 2, 1958. Bob Titmus and Ed Patrick find BF tracks on a Bluff Creek Sandbar.

 

December 18. 1958. Betty Allen finds 6 miles of BF tracks on Bluff Creek Road, expressed fear in her articles.

 

1958. A woman and her daughter see a large and small Bigfoot on a hillside above Hoopa Valley just Northwest of Willow Creek. 

 

1958. While driving on Highway 299 east of Weaverville, 2 doctors see a Bf cross the highway at night.

 

1958. Lawrence Omeg sees a Bigfoot outside his shack after work on a logging job. He quits his job and leaves the following day. Two other Indian fellows walk off the job the same day.

 

August 16, 1959. Bob Titmus finds 300 yards of BF tracks along Bluff Creek Sandbar.

 

1959. A husband and wife flying a private plane over Bluff Creek see and follow BF tracks until they pass over the BF making them.

 

August 30, 1959. Bob Titmus finds more BF tracks at Bluff Creek Sandbar.

 

November 1, 1959. Bob Titmus finds more BF tracks at Bluff Creek Sandbar, notifies Tom Slick, Green & Dahinden. Titmus' discovery was 8 years before Patterson filmed the BF.

 

November 2, 1959. Betty Allen finds BF tracks coming down a canyon and along Bluff Creek Road, phones Titmus.

 

January 30, 1960. Betty Allen finds BF tracks around a shovel loader on Humboldt Fir logging road at Bluff Creek.

 

March 1960. Ivan Marx finds BF tracks near the lookout on Offield Mountain.

 

June 19, 1960. Dr. Charles Johnson and his family find BF tracks on both sides of the Klamath River a half mile west of Bluff Creek.

 

August 7, 1960. Bob Titmus finds 2 sets of BF tracks walking along a road 9 miles south of Weitchpec, near Hoopa tracking towards Willow Creek.

 

August 14, 1960. Bob Titmus sees the same 2 sets of BF tracks he saw a week before (see 64) on Mill Creek Ridge Road, 8 miles southeast of Hoopa.

 

1960-1963. Benjamin Wilder sees a BF at night east of Orleans, California.

 

1962 - Enis Schofield described how his fencing was torn down fencepost by fencepost the week after it was erected nearby the Bluff Creek Resort. Each post was pulled up out of its concrete piling in the ground which Schofield said required unheard of strength and was probably done because it blocked a pathway the Big Feet people used to reach the creek every night. Pointing toward the hillside, he told Betty Allen, "They come down the hill there, you can see their tracks and they seem to go down to the creek to drink or maybe to go up it, because no tracks come back up the hill. They come out somewheres else," he told Allen. Schofield told the reporter they didn't feel safe barbequeing outdoors anymore and were contemplating selling their cabin to Saunders boys, owners of the Resort on the main road. (Dale Schofield 2007)

 

August 19, 1962. Skip Clark finds and casts Bigfoot tracks at Bluff Creek sandbar.

 

September 26, 1962. Bob Titmus finds miles of BF tracks on Bluff Creek Road and in the creek bottom itself.

 

April, 1963. Bob Titmus finds and casts 3 sets of tracks near Hyampom.

 

May, 1963. Sylvester McCoy finds BF tracks near Hyampom.

 

June 22, 1963. Skip Clark finds and casts a 15 inch BF track on Bluff Creek sandbar.

 

June 30, 1963. BF tracks 10 to 15 inches long are found and cast in the Bluff Creek area.

 

1963. Pat Graves follows BF tracks for 5 miles from Laird Meadow to Bluff Creek Road at Notice Creek. Sticks 1¼ in thick are found broken in the tracks.

 

1963. Dave Blake finds BF tracks where a barrel of diesel fuel was thrown off the road.

 

1963. BF tracks 15 inches long are found at Bluff Creek logging operations, with boxes of spikes thrown around and sticks of dynamite bitten into.

August, 1963. BF tracks are found on Bluff Creek Road at Notice Creek bridge.

 

August 3, 1963. A man and his boy see a BF leap over a 5 foot fence and run into the woods near Hoopa.

 

June 13, 1963. BF tracks 16 inches long are found crossing Notice Creek near Bluff Creek only 100 feet away from where 3 men were sleeping in a car. 

 

October 1963. Al Hodgson finds a set of BF tracks a few hundred yards above the Notice Creek bridge at Bluff Creek sandbar. The sandbar was washed away in the 1964 flood. 

 

Fall, 1963. A man sees Bigfoot tracks heading south of the Hyampom area.

 

1963. Thomas Sourwine says a 300 pound boulder was used to repeatedly smash road building equipment parked at the time near Bluff Creek upper road.

Summer 1964. Dave Blake often finds BF tracks at Laid Meadow at Blake and Tregoning Logging operation west of Bluff Creek. A culvert 4 feet in diameter and 20 feet long is thrown into the canyon and 450 pound barrels of diesel fuel are moved around.

 

August 1964. A man finds 12 inch and 14 inch BF tracks high up the north side of Low Gap in the north Yolla Bolla near Saddle Camp. The tracks are in 3 different places several miles apart.

 

August 21, 1964. Roger Patterson finds and casts 17 inch tracks with a 52 inch stride on Laird Meadow Road.

 

September, 1964. Samuel Brewer Jr. finds and casts a 15½ inch BF tracks with a 47 inch stride along Bluff Creek.

 

Fall, 1964 . Dave Blake sees BF tracks around his logging equipment every morning for a week. A trailer load of 18 inch culverts is overturned while men are working nearby. 

 

1965 Indian road grader operator Dewey Haupe hears distant night whistles while bear hunting with Titmus, one whistle would cause a return whistle from opposite direction. Titmus tells Haupe it's BF

 

1965, September - Mark Karr said he drove his vehicle into a tree to avoid hitting a Bigfoot that was in the road. Wednesday, June 30, 1993 Source: By Hugh Dellios, Chicago Tribune.

 

1965. Jay Rowland finds BF tracks along Bluff Creek a short distance from Notice Creek.

 

July, 1965. Steve Sanders and 2 others sleeping the a tent awake to see a large finger or stick opening their tent flap. Their yells scare it off. Investigating the next day, they find BF tracks 17 inches long and 7 inches wide around their tent at Blue Lake near Bluff Creek. 

 

January 1966. Bob Kelly and Archie Bradshaw see a Bigfoot peering into their cabin window. Bob fires his shotgun at the Bigfoot and thinks he hits it. They find 18 inch tracks in the leading into Hayfork Creek from Wildwood.

 

April 2, 1966. Nick Campbell sees a Bigfoot searching through the trash cans at a campsite north of Weaverville in the Trinity Alps. The next day, he sees the BF again 3 miles west of camp and spends a half hour playing hide and seek with it. Several other campers see the same Bigfoot. It raids the trash can two more nights and is seen one more time.

 

Jason Edwards parents told him that they saw a family of 4 BF while hunting bear in the Bluff Creek area in 1966. Two adults and a medium size and smaller one. This was before Jason was born; probably 1965. The senior Edwards hunted with Marx and Titmus.

 

1966 Larry Browning sees a BF near his campsite north of Weaverville in the Trinity Alps.

 

1966. Richard Sides sees a BF squatting at Bluff Creek drinking water with cupped hands.

 

Fall, 1966. Jay Roland sees BF tracks on a road a Scorpion Creek in the Bluff Creek area.

 

October 25, 1966. Dan Mullens finds BF tracks and an unopened case of oil cans crushed on Notice Creek.

 

Winter, 1966. After a 2 day absence from their house 2 miles west of Platina, Mr. and Mrs. Hampton find their door broken off at the hinges. They find 18 inch Bigfoot tracks in the snow.

 

August, 1967. Several BF tracks are found and cast by a road crew on Onion Mountain, west of Bluff Creek. The tracks measure 13 and 15 inches long. 

 

August, 1967 Al Hodgson see's Patterson's 9" track on Bluff Creek Sandbar; casts a 14" track.

 

August 1967. Bud Ryerson sees hundreds of 13 to 15 inch BF tracks on the road he is building on Blue Creek Mountain, west of Bluff Creek. Tractor parts are scattered all over the area. Notifies John Green by company radio phone saying, "What you're looking for is here..." 

 

August 15, 1967 Road grader operator Dewey Haupe arriving early to work discovers hour glass tracks near water tower, notifies Titmus and Ivan Marx.

 

Summer, 1967 Roger Patterson poured a plaster of paris cast of a left & right 9" child's track and shows Al Hodgson the tracks while he was up there.

 

1967. Russell Summerville sees a 9 foot BF walk 50 feet along Highway 299 one half mile west of Willow Creek and then go into the woods.

 

June 19, 1967 Dewey Haupe finds lg tracks around his road grader 8am on a Monday morning; tells friend Larry Omeg then phones Titmus from Ed Saunder's place.

Summer 1967 Jim McClarin begins carving his now famous "Willow Creek BF Statue." No specific date given, just summer and said it was on the same day Patterson filmed the female Bigfoot. 

 

August 1967. BF tracks 16 inches long are found for 3 miles on Bluff Creek Road going from East Fork to Notice Creek by Bud Ryerson; he notifies Bob Titmus.

August 1967 J. Crew and D. Haupe mention to Titmus a disturbance around the equipment staging area down near the bridge, vandals or BF?

August 1967. Bud Ryerson sees hundreds of 13 to 15 inch BF tracks on the road he is building on Blue Creek Mountain, west of Bluff Creek. Tractor parts are scattered all over the area; he notifies John Green, Bob Titmus and Al Hodgson. Green brings in tracking dogs, Jim McClarin, Rene Dahinden, S.C. Buttram and Dale Moffitt.

August 27/September Labor Day week1967 John Green and Rene Dahinden fly down to Bluff Creek in chartered Cessna 185 landing at Orleans airstrip; tracks are photographed. Al Hodgson and son Mike drive family station wagon to pick them up. Green tells Al Hodgsons to phone Patterson.

 

October 20, 1967. Bob Gimlin and Roger Patterson see and film motion pictures of a female BF just above Notice Creek between Onion Mountain, Bee Mountain and Fish Creek Butte. Her tracks measure 14½ inches long.

 

Mike Fordon, while sleeping in his Dodge van at Gray's Falls Campground wakes up at about midnight because a BF is kicking his tires and rocking his van violently. Mike sees the BF's hairy chest, chin and hand through the van's windows. The 8 foot BF continues to harass the van for 2 hours, until Mike Blows the horn.

 

April 6, 1968. After 2 more visits to the same campsite with no luck seeing another BF, Larry Browning sees a BF wading the South Fork of the Salmon River. The next day, a female BF follows him for a half hour on a hike, then charges him.

 

April 8, 1968 At the same campground, Mike Melton sees a BF leaning over the river to get a drink of water.

 

June 1968. Steve Marlin and Bruce Cornwall find BF tracks between Bluff Creek and Fish Lake.

 

July 11, 1968. A BF walks past a family camping by the Trinity River near Salyer.

 

January 1969. Pat Graves sees BF tracks from a plane between Blue Creek Divide and Nikowitz Road. 

 

1969. Peter Byrne, Brian Matthes and Steve Matthes find Bigfoot tracks along Bluff Creek. Byrne does exhaustive investigation of Patterson site in 1972, photos in B & W with Mike Hodgson - Al Hodgson's son.

 

Late May, 1969. Dr. Bernard Northrup and a party of San Francisco Theological Seminary Students find over 1000 16" BF tracks in the Bluff Creek area. They also find torn, twisted bark stripped from the trees near the tracks in the sand. It may be that the individual who left the big 16" tracks after the summer 1967 at Bluff Creek was one of the survivors; and it may also be that this was the same individual whose track Jerry Crew first cast that became a media sensation.

 

August, 1969. The owner of the Bluff Creek Resort and a small cluster of fishing cabins, Ed Saunders found a line of 16-inch Bigfoot tracks in the sandbar at the mouth of Bull Creek in the Bluff Creek area. Bill Saunders, Ed's brother acted the mechanic and handyman there in and around the resort. Ed and his wife were a bit edgy about scaring off the public...

 

Mike Burke, Buck Ferguson and Bill Mueller find BF tracks with a 5-foot stride beyond Twin Lakes Turnoff at Camp Creek near Orleans, California.

 

June, 1969. Bob Hardesty and Dick Carroll find BF tracks along the Klamath River in Siskiyou County.

 

July 1969. Don Ballard and a companion riding horseback see a BF in the Trinity Alps near Trinity Center.

 

July 4, 1969. Eldon Brackett see a 7½ foot Bigfoot with 16½ inch tracks and a 4 foot stride north of Wildwood.

 

June, 1969. Ben Foster and several others see a 6 foot Bigfoot fighting with dogs at the Wildwood Inn.

 

July 14, 1969. George Haas and John Dana find ¼-mile of Bigfoot tracks on a trail at West Low Gap in the Yolla Bolla Mountains going to the East Fork of the South Fork of the Trinity River. The tracks are 16 inches long and the stride is 3 feet.

 

April, 1970. Buzz McLaughlin see a 9 foot Bigfoot at Manzanita Ranch School, Hyampom.

 

May 14, 1970. Archie Buckley sees a 7 foot Bigfoot with 15 inch tracks at Stuart Gap, south of Wildwood.

 

Marci Honstead sees the head and shoulders of Bigfoot outside her bedroom window during an electrical storm. Approx.1982.

 

August, 1995: Vacationing truck driver and wife watch as Sasquatch holding sea weed in his hands disappears across the hiway into the woods from the beach with black sand. Observer wishes to make contact with the other observer in the other car.

 

 

 

 

 

[norseman]

Found this video. But he does not talk about the specific track I mentioned directly.

 

Ill keep looking.

 

 

[NatFoot]

@Huntster

 

Thank you for that. Even with my interest for over 15 years now, I had no idea there was that much activity in the area leading up to the PGF.

 

That is unbelievable and some of those folks must have gotten really good looks.

 

Makes you wonder why we don't have anyone today having that much consistent success.

[OldMort]

15 minutes ago, NatFoot said:

That is unbelievable and some of those folks must have gotten really good looks.

 

Yeah, especially the folks who claimed to have seen bigfoot tracks from a plane...

[Huntster]

18 minutes ago, NatFoot said:

@Huntster

 

Thank you for that. Even with my interest for over 15 years now, I had no idea there was that much activity in the area leading up to the PGF.........

 

Actually, that long list is primarily because the area got hit hard by several serious on-the-ground researchers, and got focused on immediately after "initial contact" when the timber industry first penetrated the area. There are precious few areas like that left within prime sasquatch habitat along the temperate Pacific coast.

 

......

Makes you wonder why we don't have anyone today having that much consistent success.

 

The initial invasion of this area got lots of the locals going in addition to the outside sasquatch hunters. Many of the above reports were by the guys who were going in there to work daily building more roads into the area. Green just documented it well. And even with all that activity between 1958-1970, most of it was footprint finds. There were only a few actual sightings. These creatures are incredibly elusive.

12 minutes ago, OldMort said:

 

Yeah, especially the folks who claimed to have seen bigfoot tracks from a plane...

 

It was incompletely described. The trackway was in snow and observable from the air.